Hell to Heaven

My Porsche experience started out as the worst time in my life. Briefly, the Porsche 911 has been a dream of mine to own since I was a young boy and was always the main poster on my bedroom wall and then later the office, relevant of what model. The time was right so I bought the beast about six months ago. My criteria were a 966 Silver, Black Interior, Tiptronic. (Clutches are so old hat). Bought private great history, but I thought I would have local Porsche garage go through her from head to tail. Nothing much wrong, new discs, pads, major service and was given a clean bill of health. That week a trip to London to see family, cruising the motorway man I felt like a �king pin� a dream come true. I was in the traffic on Baker Street at 5 on a Friday night, and then there was such a bang and clatter from the back end and the engine died. Got it started limped to Notting Hill and the last I see of the beast that weekend was through tears in my eyes as it was hauled away on the back of a RAC relay truck. Secondary primary shaft bearing had collapsed and that was it, had to commission the garage to have a new engine fitted. (Theirs a story to that as well if you are interested) When I got her back there was a lot of love lost, but now? A few months and the new engine run in we have become one. Everyday I drive my Porsche, I love everything about being a Porsche owner, the old people nodding as a matter of respect, the kids with there thumbs up at the side of the road, white van men saying �nice motor�. Call me a poser, but when am out in me 996, I want maximum exposure and I think every owner should be looking for it. (Tips and rules to follow). I am also starting to master her handling and power characteristics and have not lost a race yet, just waiting for the track (public roads) to become drier. Wishing myself a Happy New Year, I know I am going to have a good one.

What did that engine set you back? Or was it covered by warranty? If it wasn't I find it very impressive that you are not as bitter and rant and rave as some that have posted on this board! Happy motoring.....which is of course the result of drving a P-Car. Cheers, Dell

lv, if you are referring to me, i wasn't seriously. bitter.. the first time.. sh*t happens.. i was bitter when my second replacement engine blew 150 miles after just replacing my first blown engine, then having my trannny go out on the way home from the dealership after having all this happen.. wouldn't you be? :> but i can relate to this post.. now that all is going well.. i'm enjoying the porsche experience :> but i won't buy another one.. that's for sure.. not until the company gets their act together and quits treating their customers the way they do..

not necessarily referring to you......but my the guilty conscience you have. My comment was more of a compliment and a breath of fresh air to hear somebody enjoy their car REGARDLESS of situations at hand that could put you in a venting mood if you let them.

Im just glad that your car is worked out atleast for the moment bob. Keep enjoying that car!

I'm going to barf now............

Dont barf yet Robert, the best has yet to come.

Hey, if you use the public roads for your track, let me know next time you're in Leeds, so I can stay off the road!! Drive it hard, but try not to hurt anybody!

Sorry to everyone else on the thread in advance... Bob, I still don't quite understand. Your "replacement engine" was a used engine, wasn't it? Didn't you roll the dice on this one and get burned? Also, your tranny went out due to a shop error, which they subsequently fixed for you, correct? How are either of the above situations Porsche's fault? I still don't understand why you're bitter at Porsche... You just took some risks and got bitten. Oh, and "drive my 996 hard" -- hats off to you!

yes, i'm sure many dont' want me bringing it up again, but since you did ask... well first off, the first engine on my vehicle went bad at 49,000 miles.. (the rod went right through the block, while driving casually at 70mph on the freeway and caused a fire which had to be put out by the fire department) (an internal porsche fault from a faulty engine) then the replacement engine, which had 9,000 miles on it and was basically new.... inspected, checked out perfectly.. it was from a theft recovery.. went bad 150 miles later from a leaky headgasket and internal cylinder sleeve coming out of it's lining (not a problem from the engine being used, but a problem, because of a faulty rebuild in terms of what the porsche dealership told me) in terms of the tranny issue, luckily it was paid for.. but it still pissed me off, as it happened on the way home, right after having the third engine installed.. it just kind of hit me as the last breaking part.. keep in mind I had countless other problems.. 2 fires, starter gone bad, seat belts had to be replaced, radiator, coolant box, among other countless problems.. all within 1,000 miles... of ownership... "that is why i am a bit bitter" and honestly, it's not entirely the car itself i'm mad at.. it's the way porsche the company handled the situation and how i was treated through everything... they have the worst customer satisfaction in the industry for someone that is out of warranty... their outlook is.. well if you are out of warranty, just buy a new one..

Now I am cleaning up the barf........

What did you expect Porsche to do when you bought an out of warranty car from a Ford dealer?....And then again when you bought a theft recovery engine......and then again when you didn't have the dealer work on it in the FIRST place. One bad decision after another on your part and you just wanted to find somebody to take it out on....PORSCHE. Please Bob, enough. Change your avitar, change your signature, and become somebody on this board that people actually give $.02 about when you post as opposed to inciting a barf-o-rama.

lv, first off, he asked me a question, and I answered it... nobody forced you to read it.. if someone asks a question personally, i don't see a problem in answering it truthfully since it's redirected at me... ..do you really think it would have mattered if I brought it into a porsche dealer to have everything done? They would have done the exact same work, the same problems would have happened, and instead of paying $47,000, i'd have a $65,000 repair bill for the exact same problems due to paying retail for parts (I got parts at cost) and paying $50 more an hour for labor... none of what you suggest would have prevented what happened, nor would porsche have given me any discount either way... the only problem I had with parts/labor is when I actually did bring it into a porsche dealer to have the engine replaced.. when they didn't tighten down the tranny to the rebuild engine, it caused the tranny to break on the way home... having everything repaired at a porsche dealer wasn't a solution to what you are talking about.. the parts went bad due to porsche internal malfunctions... what happened is plain and simple faulty porsche parts and bad service... plain and simple... I really don't see what you are getting at.. and the whole ford dealership crap is getting quite ridiculous as a reason why porsche should treat me like crap... how many 99 porsches do you see on porsche lots for sale? 9/10 of 99s as far as I am aware are from independant dealers, such as the dealer I bought it from...

you really are a work of art bob. But honestly, I have nothing against you and I am sure you would be a fun drinking buddy. Oh, the stories would be priceless. HOWEVER, when it comes to your decision making process in buying a car and then the course of action you chose to follow when that car goes south is highly suspect. Most people buying a used P-Car either buy one form a private indiv that has good documentation, etc, or as a CPO from the dealership AND get that PPI done either way. Then, if anything goes south, get it fixed right the first time that way you are limited to out-of-pocket only once. Like I said, you cut corners, bought a used car you knew NOTHING about from a Ford dealership, then bought a theft recovery engine, had non-porsche warranted work done and then cry foul at Porsche becasue they are not helping you at your time of cutting corners and stupidity on a car out of warranty. Remind me again why Porsche should help out or care?

Maybe we can try to phrase this constructively... Bob, exactly what would you have had Porsche (the company) and PorscheNA do differently? I get why you're bothered that the *original engine* blew. That sucks, and I wish they were more robust. However, beyond building a more robust original engine, what would you have had Porsche & PorscheNA do differently? - warranty a used engine you had installed in your car? - warranty your *original* engine that blew? Thanks. Seriously I'm curious; there's a lot of emotion tied up in this issue, but I'm hoping there's something constructive we can all take from it (besides jumping all over you every time you post -- that's not constructive, but it can be entertaining )

i would have atleast liked a porsche dealer to offer to pricematch a replacement engine from another porsche dealer... (aka sunset) considering both engines went bad, due to a faulty manufactured engine. even the porsche service advisor told me, it wasn't me fault, nor the previous owner, and there was nothing that could be done... the two engines put in my car were put together faulty from the factory... rods aren't supposed to blow out of engines while driving on the freeway on cruise control in 4th gear at 70mph.. cylinders aren't supposed to slip out of their lining at 9000 miles... faulty parts... plain and simple... I would think porsche would atleast offer some kind of discount on parts or labor, or offer some type of incentive for what happened... but no.. full price replacement... no ifs/ands/or buts about it... pay the full price or leave was essentially the word from all three porsche dealerships i went to... to me, that's customer unsatisfaction, and why i will never be buying another porsche again.. they produced a faulty product and don't even care.. that's what it comes down to... anyone out of warranty i'm sure has experienced the same lackluster care by porsche dealerships when it comes to replacement of faulty manufactured parts.. that's it in a nutshell... since you asked...

I actually had my dealer replace my instrument cluster(cracked lense) after warranty for me and all paid was the labor. They could have got me for 1500 but instead took care of me for 180 bucks....

Engine 1....Ford Dealer (unknown history) Engine 2....Theft Recovery (unknown histroy) and so on.....you get the point yet bob? If you want Porsche to give you good service you need to do one of two things. Either, one, buy new from them, or two, buy used from them and build a relationship. You can't just show up on the doorstep with a blown engine under one arm and bitterness under the other and introduce yourself at all the same time.

LV, I don't think you understand. The two engines went bad due to faulty engines. Porsche, the company that produced the engines, built them or rebuilt them faulty. That's what it comes down to. Even the service advisor at the porsche dealerships told me this, but there was "nothing they could do" since the car was out of warranty. It doesn't matter if they were from a "ford dealer" or "theft recovery" or how the car was driven. What happened was due to a faulty design from the factory within the internals within the engine. What i'm saying is that when porsche the company produces such fault within their parts, and even the service managers admit this is the case, porsche should atleast work with the dealers to allow the owner of one of their vehicles some kind of benefit when replacing $15,000 worth of work for something they caused... not once, but twice in this situation...

Is this a joke? So many blown engine threads....feels like NHRA action. Also, Sir Nestor Wellington, hate to brake it to ya...automatics (er tiptronics) are passe (and for poseurs). When will porsche stop using this poor excuse of a transmission and step into the 21 century? Oh...thats right when all the soccer moms and poseurs stop driving tiptronics. Why whittle down that nice profit margin... Sheesh...automatic Twin turbo porsches...whats next? e

faulty design from the factory? Then EVERYBODY would have multiple blown engines. And for the SM's telling you porsche was at fault and then charging you was just to appear they were on your side so they could seperate you from your money. FYI.....your SM that fed you that crap DOES HAVE the leeway to cut you a break and he didn't. You just don't get it and probably never will. Just need somebody to blame right? Just step up to the plate and take your share of responsibility for making a bad purchase over and over. Best of luck to you though with your new engine that you finally have under warranty by a porsche dealer. I honestly hope you enjoy the car. Look me up in a couple years when the 2 year warranty passes. I would love to hear you outlook toward porsche then over a beer. Cheers.

Bob, so the 2nd engine was rebuilt by *Porsche*? I got the impression it was rebuilt by a shop; I must be confused. Thanks.

lv, yes, faulty design from the factory. do you think a rod is supposed to break through the core of an engine at 49k miles while driving on cruise control at 70mph in freeway traffic? I've never heard of that happening in a used car. Faulty manufactured engine, as confirmed by 3 porsche dealerships. In terms of the cylinder coming out of the sleeve lining, once again, faulty engine. It came from a car that already had it's engine replaced after having blown at 60k miles, he had 9k miles on the new engine before it was partially stripped of some minor parts.. but apparently the owner didn't want it back and just wanted insurance to reimburse him... The engine was checked out by porsche mechanics and looked in excellent condition.. 150 miles later, the cylinder came out of the sleeve lining, meaning it would be needed to be replaced. The thieves didn't even open the engine compartment, so the engine was not even touched originally. It was an internal failure caused from an out of spec cylinder/engine block that porsche themselves rebuilt. While yes these coincidences of two faulty engines in 1000 miles are ironic, they are the fact of the matter. And the fact of the matter is that porsche made no attempt to offer any type of discount on anything or any type of assistance relating to these matters which they are responsible for. As confirmed by 3 dealers, all engines were faulty from the factory, but there was nothing they would for me since I was out of warranty, but make me pay for a new one, or try to sell me a new car, 4 different times... sigh... stile_s, Yes, the second engine was shipped from germany, it was a rebuilt from porsche. All engines replaced were factory rebuilts. The fact is, it doesn't matter if I brought my car in to have porsche work on it for not, the engines went bad due to faulty manufacturing and remanufacturing and the dealerships did not do anything to assist me in the matter. For someone with such a high line car, I would think it would be standard protocol to keep a customer somewhat satisfied... no such luck...

Whats NExt????>>>>>> Bobporsche996 becoming a rennlist member...

Hmmmmm........ Original Engine (Ford Dealer unknown history) **BLOWN** 1st replacement (theft recovery) **BLOWN** 2nd replacement (from Porsche with a 2yr warranty) **JUST FINE** And you still don't understand do you? The 2nd replacement is the smartest thing you have done to date (and rational I might add). Now, had you just done that in the first place and just learned your lesson about purchasing a P-Car with an unknown history from a FORD dealer then I am sure this story would not be what it is. Obviously you will never understand nor take any responsibility, so I will just say good luck to you in the future and I hope the current engine from Porsche gives you many happy miles of motoring. I'm done.

LV, I've only had the 3rd engine in my car for 2000 miles. I would hope for heavans sake it wouldn't have blown by now like the previous two. once again, you keep avoiding the reason why they blew. they didn't blow because they were bought from a ford dealership or a theft recovery.. they blew up from a rod flying out of the core at 70mph on the freeway randomly, which should NOT happen on any used vehicle, and on the second engine, the cylinder came out of the lining, same situation. shouldn't have happened.. the history of the engines, is irrelevant as indicated by the porsche service managers, as they all indicated, there was nothing i or the previous owner could have done to cause or prevent this from happening. I even brought it to squires up in seattle, the top porsche independant shop in seattle, and they confirmed exactly what the 3 porsche dealers told me.. faulty engine from porsche in germany.. they created a faulty engine.. for the last time... you don't seem to understand that... i've said many times i love driving the p-car, but the p-car service is crap for out of warranty customers.. they just want you to buy a new one every 4 years is the approach i got from all of them... In terms of your ford dealership comment, where do you think 9 out of 10 of the individuals of that buy 99s currently buy there car from? From private parties or used car dealerships, just like I did.. Porsche dealers very rarely sell 99s... the car is from a private party. It's a lease return vehicle according to the records. The guys vehicle was out of lease, it was on the lot for awhile in florida, and then didn't sell and put up for sale in auction texas. what's the big deal about that? is that any excuse for faulty engineering of porsche engines, and not having them do anything to backup their faulty developed products for the consumer?

Bob, Your story is indeed a sad one, but largely one of your own making, take responsibility and please quite repeating the entire episode in each post. I hope your new engine serves you well. This forum is a place to share recent stories and learn from each other. I have had to navigate through your story a lot. I get it, you are not happy, but maybe your are now, I hope so. BTW Bob, if you want any credibility going forward, join the board, support the board, otherwise go somewhere else. Qirex, I am not sure what relevance your comments have to this whole conversation but to label Tiptronic drivers as poseurs or soccer moms is ignorant and unnecessarily inflammatory. I have several friends that lost their limbs in Vietnam and Iraq who can not drive a car with a manual transmission. Tip is the only way they can drive a Porsche and I don't think it would be much of a stretch to suggest that they have earned that right just as much as your have.. I don't think you could look them in the face and call them a "soccer mom".

cay-ute, lv made some untrue assumptions about my situation, so i informed him of them.. i was responding to his criticism which is completely untrue, as he seemed to be unaware of the situation at hand... the past is the past and i'm happy now with my car, but just because my car was bought is a non pco dealer certified car, doesn't mean i should be treated like crap by a marque when i put $45,000+ in repairs into a vehicle that i just purchased that went bad on me due to no fault of my own or the previous owner, but the marque themselves... that's the whole point of these posts...

[QUOTE=drive my 996 hard]My Porsche experience started out as the worst time in my life. Briefly, the Porsche 911 has been a dream of mine to own since I was a young boy and was always the main poster on my bedroom wall and then later the office, relevant of what model. Hey guy... There is nothing better...(well, almost nothing)...drive her hard...yes...but know HOW to drive her hard with control and smoothness...best of luck...

"bobporsche996"....Get a Life! So you had a bad experience.....I feel sorry for your inconveinence and out of pocket expense.....but Jeez....give it a rest! If you don't let it go...your gonna have some major medical problems to boot. Try taking the attitude that "drive my 996 hard" has. He seems mature, grown up, and responsible enough to realize that there are some things that cannot be forseen (like multiple premature engine failures). Still....he moves on and does what he has to do. I wish you no hard feelings but I am getting tired of all this blathering about Porsche factory folks and their poor attitutde. Find a good dealer....you won't have to go to the factory people if you have established a good relationship with the dealer. If you walk into the dealer with the attitutde that we see here on this board....it doesn't surprise me that you get nowhere!

You always take a risk when you buy a previously owned car -- even if it is Porsche Certified. The only difference is if you had gotten a Porsche Certified vehicle then you would have had a warranty. The bottom line is unless you personally know the previous owner and know that the car was well taken care of, you just never know if the car had been abused -- and no, the records will not tell you EVERYTHING about the car's history. You did SOME research but maybe not enough. For example, you knew from the records that the car was a lease return and was sitting in a lot in Florida for a while. Why was it sitting in the lot for a while and why didn't it sell? Did it ever cross your mind that maybe there was something wrong with it and so the Florida dealer finally gave up and sold it to a wholesaler who turned around and sold it on auction? Personally I would've been worried why a Cabriolet in sunny Florida would not sell. You claim it is bad Porsche engineering that is the cause of the problems. Like LV Dell said, if that was the case then all of us would have the same problems you had. Even a Lexus LS450 that has been abused is bound to develop problems. You tried to save a few bucks, you saw a deal that was too good to be true, you took a risk and went for it. There's nothing wrong with trying to save some money but there is a risk associated with buying a used car and unfortunately you got burned -- literally since your engine caught fire! You tried to save money again by buying a rebuilt engine and having a non-Porsche certified shop to put it in. You took another risk and got burned again. I feel bad that all these things happened to you but stop blaming everyone but yourself and start taking responsibiliy -- at least SOME RESPONSIBILITY -- for what happened. If it is true that you are over it then why not take down the offensive avatar, change the offensive signature, become a contributing member of the forum and post messages that are constructive and add value rather than rehash your bad experience and annoy others. Grow up.

yes i suppose it is my responsibility to think that an engine shouldn't blow a rod out of it's core causing a fire while casually driving at 49,000 miles, even after 3 porsche dealers, and 2 independant porsche service repair clinics indicate there was nothing i or the previous driver could have done to have caused this. Things like this just shouldn't happen in a quality built engine.. but there was nothing they could they do for me, regardless... and I suppose it's my responsibility that i would think that a 9,000 mile engine would last longer than 9,150 miles before going faulty due to faulty manufacturing as indicated again by the same 3 dealers and 2 independant porsche service centers... i don't blame the dealerships, and i learned from it all... and i thoroughly enjoy driving the car now that it's running good.. an expensive lesson nonetheless... but i refuse to accept that porsche the company really cares about customer sastisfaction or cares about any problems within many of their faulty out-of-spec engines which they refuse to acknowledge as an issue... whether it be rms, or the 997 with the exact same engine.. they simply don't care about customer related issues and the customer spending their money to fix problems that they created.... that's what it comes down to... the dealerships are just doing their job.. it's the company themselves that tells these dealerships how to take on problems, and they simply follow procedure so they are not to blame... i do take responsibility for one thing... thinking these engines were just as reliable as their similar german counterparts... and for not getting an extended warranty earlier... i'm not asking for sympathy and indicating my experience of having 2 engine failuires so close to eachother is indeed a rare occurance, but how do you think you would feel if you were in my shoes... engine failures do happen fairly often within the 996... just rarely does lightening strike twice so quickly... and unfortunately of the hundreds on this board, i was the one experience with this.. i'm over it.. that was in 2004, and am thoroughly enjoying my car now, but that doesn't mean i forgive and forget about the last year of hell... and still have my same feelings about porsche service and reliability... as is everyone entitled to their own opinion on this. in terms of my avatar... as scouser, who rightly deserves to post a huge picture of a failed rms among many others.. my car has had 2 engine fires in the first 1000 miles of ownership... almost having me and my car burned to the ground... and having to embaressly be put out by the fire department each time... so i think it represents my feelings and what i've been through.. and even after i told the porsche dealers of the fires, they still even refused to offer any type of engine replacement discount... unless porsche cleans up their act, i see nothing wrong with it and will continue to keep it there...

OK Guys....I see both sides..Bob I feel for you, however with that being said, Let me try to explain this the way i see it. You are Bob... You own Bob cars, A very well respected automobile manufacturer with great heritage to your past. Now my name is Paul and i buy a Bob car from Joe.....I do NOT know joe , or how he treaded his Bobcar . Paul is driving his Bob car and it breaks on the way home.......who am i to be pissed at Bob car , cuz its a bob car. or The person whom sold it to me........or Joe?. OK so these things happen right....I mean they are just cars and, well ALL cars break. SO being Paul I go to Bob Cars to have the repair done..low and behold its out of warranty, so you the owner of Bob cars will not pay for this repair....I mean can you really Blame Bob -car for repairing a car that has had no magor previous problems. I mean this guy Paul shows up on Your Bob cars dealer ship to have it repaired that will cost you money... I mean how do we know Joe changed the oil, or didn't rev the **** out the car , every time he drove it. If i were BOB car i wouldn't have done the repair work as well. NOw here is Paul that is some what innocent in this whole situation..the only thing he is guilty of, is not looking into a cars history...Does this mean it Should cost Paul More out of his pocket Money........DAM STRAIT................this is one of those stories that i will tell people when looking at used cars and they dont do the homework!

49,000 miles should not be a problem for a well engineered engine IF THE ENGINE WAS TAKEN CARE OF PROPERLY. You just don't get it. I am not saying that Porsche engines are trouble-free -- the RMS problem that some people are having is proof of that -- but the problems you had went far beyond RMS. Your engines EXPLODED and that leads me to believe that those first 49,000 miles were really bad miles. How do you know that the previous owner did not abuse the car? Did you know the previous owner? I believe you had an abused car and that is probably why the dealer -- though they tried hard to sell the car and had it on their lot for a while -- decided to cut their losses and sell it wholesale. The problems you had are obviously eating you up -- you are in denial, you blame everyone else but yourself, you are so pissed off that you have over 200 posts ranting and raving about it. Do yourself a favor and sell the car and get another car from "another German manufacturer who knows how to build quality cars and stands by their customers" as you said. If you decide to keep your car then you owe it to yourself to take better pictures. The quality of the two pictures you posted of the car in a dimly lit parking garage are crap. They look like hastily taken pictures of a random car using a cheap camera phone. They don't look like photos taken by an owner who enjoys driving his car.

They refused to give you a discount on your burnt engines because like the rest of us they know that the car -- WHICH IS OUT OF WARRANTY -- has a dodgy history and may very well have been abused. They don't owe you anything. Get over it!

Monologue: 1 person talking to himself Dialogue: 2 persons talking to themselves --Shaika Ophir

Smart ***: someone who chimes in with obscure quotes Just kidding Lee. Point well taken -- this is my last posting on this thread. You and Shaik e Ophir are right.

there's no sense in bickering anymore about this.. i stopped talking about my engine issues months ago... i simply brought up the fact that i've encountered bad customer service for being out of warranty with my vehicle.. everytime my car had a problem, 1-800-porsche basically told me to f**k off.. and the dealerships although sympathetic, always tried to sell me a new 997 instead, which just is annoying... instead of trying to assist in some way with the grief i've been through in my vehicle... which i suppose is there job, so i can't blame them... but anyways... i just find it ironic that porsches are meant to be driven hard... when an engine that goes bad at 9,000 miles... what could the previous driver really have done that major to cause such an engine faluire at such low mileage? oh well.. anyways.. i never said i was a porschephile.. i never said i loved my car... would you love your porsche if you went through what i did? this is just one of the forums for several of the cars i own that i read and participate in... must i be a member and absolutely love the car to participate in such a forum? that's the vibe i'm getting from everyone.... i enjoy driving my car on nice days, but in one year and 10 months after all my warranties are gone, it's either a 03 sl55 or 98-99 355 spider for me... WITH a warranty as my convertible toy... porsche has shown no love for me and thus i have no love for porsche... they've lost a customer for life... i'm entitled to my own beliefs, as is everyone here... and for those that love their car... may you enjoy it to the end doesn't mean i'm not going to enjoy the car for the next 2 years with it being fully warrantied down to the bone... all i've put into it emotionally, financially, etc... it's a great, fun, car to own.. but my own beliefs in the marque have been severally damaged and i honestly can't trust the porsche marque anymore.. i honestly believe they don't care about their true 911 enthusiasts like they once did back in the old days... that time imho has gone... now it seems all about profit to them, by selling out on the porsche brand appeal to people that know nothing about cars... and hiding all the problems of any of their models from anyone... but of course once again, my own opinion only... on that note, no need to continue this thread.. i feel how i do, and you all feel how you all do... and that's perfectly a-okay..

Bob, I'll bet you got a "killer" deal on the car to start with, right?

Ladys, Ladys, handbags down. It looks like owning a Porsche has brought a lot of problems to a lot of people and sorry to hear that, but at the end of the day, I have come to realize (and you all should), that it can be a costly exercise, but come on, we are living the dream. I use to hear the horror stories and long before joining the forum�s. (In fact long before the internet) and I use to think yeh yeh. But take for example me two weeks ago. Did a right Girly move. I turned into car park, there was several bollards, don�t know if it was the quick rack (trying to find an excuse) but as I was turning left in to parking space, turned into one of them. Hit left wheel and snapped wishbone clean in half and bent shocker. Not going to say how much the bill was but I had to cancel order on me avic dvd/sat nav http://www.pioneer.com/uk/product_de...nomy_id=25-112 and my driving skill tarnished. Porsches can cost serious money to run. Anyway financial issues to one side, just to be out in the 911 is such a thrill, my daily journey can either be through the city or right round on the bypass, I tend to go through as I believe I get more exposure on that route. I�m not one for wanting to wake up and it�s only 15mins from bed to 911 but 10 mins prior to leaving I will go and start the baby up so that she�s all nice and warm, engine and tiptronic oil are ready and upto working temperature. Bonus is that cabin is warm and the glass is all nice and clear. Straight into manual position. (can keep revs higher) Quick turns on the steering wheel to scrub tyres up (like F1 drivers do coming up to the start line�) and on me third bend, with window slightly open listen to that beautiful sound coming from the back end as I open her out in second gear and the smiles begin. It doesn�t matter if your in traffic, your in a Porsche, you can still turn heads whilst making the most of the little road space you�ve got. Even accelerating flat out up to 35mph and then backing off can look and sound awesome. I don�t condone speeding in anything more than a national speed area, which are 60 or 70mph. Will go into more detail on how to get plenty of exposure at a later date, also great trick how to get pass traffic on dual carriageways, which you can only do in a proper sports car. What I need is my back wing to have two modes. Rural mode, as it is normally and Urban Mode so that it lifts at 35mph and down at 5mph. Dosnt have to be switch able, both modes can work together. Why do I want it? Well from the light your flat out to 35 so over speed limit (shows that you have broken the law) and then you tend to cruise at around the 30 mark and when you are slowing down the wing goes down. It doesn�t matter if it�s going up and down on a regular basis. Imagine the kids in the car behind, shouting �Dad did you see that? Keep up with him Dad� and Dad saying �I can�t son it�s a 911�. Anybody got any ideas so I can pass them on to my vehicle electrical crew? How do these Forums work should I post my request in the technical section?