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YOUR RESEARCHWhat's included in a reburbished engine?
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just too conspicuous
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And then: the timing of this new problem is just too conspicuous.
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My dealer tried something similar after they installed my crate motor.
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You can change the MAF out with just a pair of pliers and save about $800.
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The MAF sensor is easier to change than your seating position.
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You can use the old MAF, or get a new one for about $300 (way overpriced!)
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My 911 loves the shop more than me....
back in August I got a (first) refurbished engine, refurbished by Porsche in Germany, luckily with a 2 year warranty. Reason for the switch was a blown head gasket. By November I had it back in the shop, this time the rings or this refurbished engine were all disintegrating and the dealership together with Porsche built in a (second) engine. When I picked it up I noticed a reduction in the fuel economy and my first - ahem - quicker start resulted in an enormous cloud of smoke following me. Didn't think toooo much of it, since it didn't happen again. Two weeks and about 900 miles later I have the check engine light come on. This time the story is that I need a mass air flow sensor. Cost? $1200. Supposedly, this is not part of the refurbished engine.
2 questions on that: on a refurbished engine is the mass air flow sensor included or not? And then: the timing of this new problem is just too conspicuous. Soooo, even if it weren't part of the refurbished engine is it possible that this constant switching of engines could have damaged it?
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No way I would let them charge me for a MAF after that. First of all, the part is about $400 retail and it takes about 15 seconds to install. Second, the MAF is on the intake, after the airbox and before the throttle body. Since these parts are off of your car during install and probably diagnosis, it's doubtful it wasn't damaged during the engine swaps. It only takes a little grease or oil to foul a MAF.
Thanks guys! I appreciate the ammunition you've provided me with. The dealership is: Performance Porsche in Chapel Hill. At this point I'm wondering if the issues I had previously, leading to the need for a refurbished engine may have been negligence? Or worse? Did I mention that they had left service towels in my trunk when I picked it up? The battery covers weren't in place? The hardware for it was missing? And after being there for 4 weeks they hadn't even cleaned it?
Sorry to hear about your 911. I've had great service from performance BMW. I can see how they wouldn't not cover your MAF, but order it yourself from Suncoast Porsche in FL
http://e-partssales.com/Merchant2/me...tegory_Code=PO
(call them). They are always my first and last call for OEM parts.
The first problem you made was going to Performance. The second thing you did was not come here first. The good news is both those transgressions are fixable.
Actually Dell, pliers work just fine for the torx.
I figured those who have done it know what I am talking about.
The bolts have 0 torque, they are clamping into plastic.
Actually Chuck, I am being serious. I didn't think about using the pliers the way Cory did. I drove up to Auto Zone and bought some security torx bits so I could get the MAF off. Scouts honor
I guess this falls under...Oh ye of little faith? Reputations are hard to live down...
I never thought of it either...that's why I bought the torx bits...get the whole dogone set at Harbor Freight for the price of a pair of pliers at Autozone. Well, almost.
I was in a hurry to sell my car the day I got the MAF. So, I didn't let the 2 little screws stop me! At first I thought I was going to have to buy some, then the shadetree came out.
They should replace it for free. My dealer tried something similar after they installed my crate motor. Soon after they told me I needed new motor mounts and that I would be footing the bill.
They eventually paid for it all after I said I will leave it alone and drive the car and if the motor falls out I will take them up on that 2 year warranty.
I came into this free-for-all late, but I have to tell you that a refurb engine
does not
include a new MAF, nor an A/C compressor or a serpentine belt.
Here is what you get:
You can use the old MAF, or get a new one for about $300 (way overpriced!)
I was always amazed that a Bosch MAF for a VW Golf was $65 but essentially the same MAF was $300 or more for a Porsche.
