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I believe that carfax is just used by Dealers to justify a low ball offer on a car.
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Found used late model Porsches on showrooms of for instance Nissan dealership.
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Lots of used Porsches around and being offered for sale by private owners or Porsche dealers that can provide more detail on the car's history and from which you can make a more accurate determination of the car's condition.
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CarMax it though even if it comes up "clean" don't assume CarMax knows all about the car.
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I've seen cars with several carfax hits and in perfect shape, and supposedly clean carfax reports on cars that were garbage.
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Anyhow, for the seller's benefit, and for the buyer's too, I've always recommended when anyone has their car in for body/paint work or major repair, even under warranty, to save all paper work and take pictures of the before damage to have to show a prospective buyer the extent of the damage or the necessity for the repairs.
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Anyhow, for the seller's benefit, and for the buyer's too, I've always recommended when anyone has their car in for body/paint work or major repair, even under warranty, to save all paper work and take pictures of the before damage to have to show a prospective buyer the extent of the damage or the necessity for the repairs.
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Buying a Porsche from a Nissan dealer's showroom or in this case a Ford dealer's showroom -- bet every salesmen has had that car out for a "test" drive too -- is not where I'd like to buy my next Porsche, unless I knew how the dealer ended up with the car and the circumstances were innocent and the car's history ok.
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If you're buying from a dealer though you can't speak to the previous owner and my experience is dealers of used cars have a don't ask don't tell philosophy.
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I was driving by a Ford Dealership and happened to see a 996 Cab. After my inquiry, the salesman told me that it was an '03 with 34K miles and they were asking $36K, but of course were willing to negotiate. He told me that it was a trade on an '09 Mustang. I'm not an elitist and I'm sure the Mustang is a decent car, but I can't believe that anyone would trade a Porsche for a Mustang. On the other hand, maybe the guy was being patriotic, and doing his small bit to help an American car company.
what kind of mustang was it traded in on? The GT500 should dummy a 996 in a straight line, if he's using the car for highway fun, the 996's handling will never really be needed.
Doesn't seem
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odd. Wanted a new vehicle, couldn't afford the 997 new? Went with something fast in a straight line? Maybe the 996 was a money pit and he got soured on the brand? Although I'd have a hard time buying a 911 that isn't a private deal or on a Porsche lot.
Most people want sportscars for straight-line speed and tend to ignore the handling characteristics. Good for the typical stop-light races but for those who want more from their cars, it does not make sense.
I am looking into trading my 996 for a 09 challenger or a 2010 camaro..... or maybe not!
Maybe the dealer is just full of sh.t... and lying (like they ever tell the truth!!) and maybe they got the P-car from an auction!!
Found used late model Porsches on showrooms of for instance Nissan dealership. Found a M-B SLK there too.
Car might be a trade in but what is more likely is dealer picks up some relatively cheaply priced "exotics" at car auction and buys these cars to put on his showroom floor as halo cars.
Sure he'll sell you one. Probably makes a bundle too. But I'm sure there's a sales technique that can turn a longing eye cast upon a halo car even if not same brand into a sale of another used or even new car on the dealer's lot.
Dealer's aren't too dumb. They have years of experience to know what works and doesn't.
Buying a Porsche from a Nissan dealer's showroom or in this case a Ford dealer's showroom -- bet every salesmen has had that car out for a "test" drive too -- is not where I'd like to buy my next Porsche, unless I knew how the dealer ended up with the car and the circumstances were innocent and the car's history ok.
OTH, car might have been traded in by someone who found the car a terrible lemon and just wanted to be shut of the car. (IIRC a Boxster owner just after having experienced another engine failure finally threw in the towel -- not that I blame him -- and bought another brand of car (Nissan I think) and traded in his Porsche for the new Nissan. Porsche with another replacement engine might be a good buy but it might not be either.)
Lots of used Porsches around and being offered for sale by private owners or Porsche dealers that can provide more detail on the car's history and from which you can make a more accurate determination of the car's condition.
Porsche on a Ford dealer's used car lot? I'd give it a miss.
Sincerely,
Macster.
On the other hand, the Porsche dealer in my area jacks the crap out of their prices because, well... they can. There aren't many Porsche dealers, so they're typically the only one within a reasonable drive, and have no competition. Add to that, people seem to be willing to pay a ridiculous premium to buy a Porsche from the Porsche dealer because they're either too unknowledgeable or too afraid to buy from a private seller, and you get cars priced thousands more than they should be, even from a dealer.
The other dealers who get randoms Porsches seem to price the cars pretty much in line with KBB. And so, if someone has something against buying cars from private sellers, they can get a way better deal from the Ford dealer than the Porsche dealer.
As per Macster's post - dealers buy cars to place out front to give people the impression that, in this case, Porsche drivers trade-up to a Mustang.
It's and old scam - but clearly attracts a lot of passing trade.
My local BMW showroom almost always has a Porsche outside - the Ford dealership almost always has a Mini outside etc etc
I would think that the average Dealership would shun sports cars which as enjoyable as they may be to drive, are far from practical or economical. And that's doubly true in this econony. Since the Shelby GT 500 stickers in the low $40s, I suppose that it would be feasible to trade a 996 for one, but I still find it hard to believe that anyone who experienced the Porsche driving experience would forsake it for a Mustang, even if the Mustang may be a tad faster in the 1/4. But as others have pointed out a few bad out of warranty maintenance issues could sour someone on any car.
Maybe I should have been clearer in my post.
No one actually traded in their Porsche for the Mustang - that's just a BS story the dealer is selling.
He buys the used Porsche at auction, and puts it out front purely as bait - then spins the tale when people come in to ask....
to cash in on its greediness. Offer some sort of alternative to a used Porsche buyer. Clever those dealers.
I admit I did look over the Boxster at the Nissan dealership. I was not as savvy then -- not that I'm the most savviest yet -- and noted some brake wear lip on rotors and assumed car had been tracked. That combined with finding the car on a Nissan showroom put me off the car.
Later of course and after several brake jobs on my car I've learned that Boxster brake rotors do wear faster than what I was used to with other (dare I say lesser?) cars.
Still, it worked out ok for me. After a while armed with confidence about the car market gained from my research managed to get a pretty good deal on a new car and 214,000+ miles later while it is no longer new it is still a great car!
If original poster still reading thread: If you're interested look over car. Play a bit dumb and see what story gets spun to you. While I have my doubts the car might be a good car and a good buy. If in the market for a car it pays to not overlook any source for what might prove to be a good car, though you will have to be on top of your used car game to ensure you don't buy someone's problem car or worse. Still might be a bum car, flood, or accident repair or theft recovery, etc. CarMax it though even if it comes up "clean" don't assume CarMax knows all about the car.
Sincerely,
Macster.
If original poster still reading thread: If you're interested look over car. Play a bit dumb and see what story gets spun to you. While I have my doubts the car might be a good car and a good buy. If in the market for a car it pays to not overlook any source for what might prove to be a good car, though you will have to be on top of your used car game to ensure you don't buy someone's problem car or worse. Still might be a bum car, flood, or accident repair or theft recovery, etc. CarMax it though even if it comes up "clean" don't assume CarMax knows all about the car.
I already own a Porsche and always buy my sports cars new with the new car warranty. I just was bemused by a Porsche on a Ford Dealership lot, so I had to investigate.
By CarMax, do you mean Carfax? I think carfax ia next to worthless. I've seen cars with several carfax hits and in perfect shape, and supposedly clean carfax reports on cars that were garbage. One of my sons was interested in a 993 that had a couple of carfax hits. The car was being sold privately and the owner showed me the body shop repairs. Relatively superficial danmage on both occassions: little more than dented panels that required repair and repainting. We had a PPI performed on the car and my son has now had the car for six years and almost 50K miles with no problems whatsoever. I believe that carfax is just used by Dealers to justify a low ball offer on a car.
no argument from me there but still if a CarFax report came back negative that's of some value. A clear report is not of much value. Too many things have a habit of not showing up on a CarFax report from what I've read.
As you report with the 993 if one gets some troubling items from a CarFax report if one can then take this report to the seller and have him or her detail what was done, etc., that's just being a good shopper.
If you're buying from a dealer though you can't speak to the previous owner and my experience is dealers of used cars have a don't ask don't tell philosophy. What they don't know they can't be accused of withholding. They don't want to know though this varies from dealer to dealer. Some are on the up and up while others...Trouble is to know which dealer you're dealing with.
Anyhow, for the seller's benefit, and for the buyer's too, I've always recommended when anyone has their car in for body/paint work or major repair, even under warranty, to save all paper work and take pictures of the before damage to have to show a prospective buyer the extent of the damage or the necessity for the repairs.
Some body/paint work one can hardly help except to be very lucky. But one can minimize the "damage" this might have on the car's resale value by intelligently documenting the circumstances.
Sincerely,
Macster.
[QUOTE=fast1;6216066 Since the Shelby GT 500 stickers in the low $40s, I suppose that it would be feasible to trade a 996 for one, but I still find it hard to believe that anyone who experienced the Porsche driving experience would forsake it for a Mustang, even if the Mustang may be a tad faster in the 1/4[/QUOTE]
a tad faster is a bit of an understatement if you are comparing a 996 to a GT500.
We are talking about almost a full second in the 1/4 mile.
This reminds me a bit of a recent thread on a BMW board where a potential buyer was turned off by a BMW dealer's attitude about his potential purchase having a bad clutch. "Selling it as it" was the response. People on that forum were amazed that a "dealer" would sell a used car "not perfect".
And I wonder if you guys are not any smarter?
I mean, come on, what's the difference between a Ford dealer and a Porsche dealer, other than the fact that the salesmen at the latter are probably better dressed? They are there to sell you a car, any car, at the best price that they can, and they will do anything and say anything to get you to buy it.
Hey, I'm on my 3rd 911 and I love these cars and I love my BMWs and I won't own anything else, but come on, they're just cars. Very expensive cars. And yes I expect a certain amount of butt kissing when I go to the dealer, but when push comes to shove they are no better that any other retailer. All that really differs is the amount of K-Y that they give you before they bend you over.
Michael
