996 Horror Story- A Hard Lesson Learned and Advice Needed

So I pulled the trigger, I finally bought my dream car (a 2000 911 C2, 40 some-odd thousand miles) advertised by a"reputable"dealer, "longtime Porsche owner (993 C4 Cab)", PCA member, and from the Pittsburgh, PA area..just under a year ago.Life is good for this guy. Being the 28 year old tech-savvy retard that I am, I found the car on Autotrader in the pristine condition I wanted it in.. shiny, glossy, the right color and carbon fiber crap to boot (all the right rice) ... Porsche visual sex at its finest. Upon further netrosexual inspection prior to purchase I found that the vehicle had a clean carfax and that the current owner (per the advertisement on trader) was the owner of the dealership and that this was his personal car and the advertisement was for serious inquiries only! It must be an amazingly maintained and pristine automobile! All for $23,000!!! Riiiiight... So of course I'm serious right!?! I have the money, my porsche pee-pee is stiff, and I have made up my mind that I am going to buy this car as long as its legit .. so I get a pre approval and obtain applicable checks, then drive the 280+ miles to inspect this dream, with full intentions of purchasing it if it meets the equivalent altitude of my 996 hard on.. and it does when I show up... LOOKS amazing!!! .. that's where the fun starts. So when I show up to the address provided by the (dealer) seller, I find a pristine 2000 996 sitting in the DRIVEWAY of a RESIDENCE. Upon meeting the seller I am explained that he is in transition of selling a dealership and is experiencing health problems . The individual then tells me that the car is in the pristine shape that I expected and ensured multiple times that he is providing full disclosure of all known problems ( missing headlight washer topper, owner's manual, tow hook plug, and tires that need replacement in the rear within the next 10,000 miles). He even states that his "guys at the shop" ensured that the vehicle passed a "comprehensive safety inspection from the State of Pennsylvania". This is where most people would run, but alas the boner prevails and Richie feels bad for a bitch... SO... I proceed into this "Porsche Aficianano's" residence and seal the deal. The title is in a dealership's name (Nordstorm Select Auto) and all is well. I purchase the car under the impression that this individual is truthful in his disclosure and my purchase is covered under lemon law warranty in the State of Pennsylvania from the DMV... WRONG IS THIS DUMBASS... So apparently while inspecting the bill of sale for this vehicle at the nearest rest stop (approx. 25 miles away from the seller's address) the bill of sale stated on the top "private sale" handwritten albeit the bill of sale was obviously a commercially produced reciept with the DBA crossed out. What makes this even better is that the individual notarized the bill of sale, as he is a notary public in the State of Pennsylvania.. read the fine print. realy. So I return to said Douchebag's home and knock multiple times (for approx. 30 minutes) to no avail. I then proceed to drive the car towards my residence as it is late and repeatedly attempt to reach the seller via cell. I finally reach him shortly following the point that I cross the PA/ NY line and THE CEL COMES ON following hard accelleration out of a rest stop, violent vibration over 3000 rpm, and inability to put the car into gear following such jaunt. I tell him about the episode and he states that this is normal and that the check engine light will turn off and I might have been driving it "too hard". .. it didn't turn off, and we all know that 911s are not to be driven like grandmas.. So I'll bring it to a shop and get checked out, no big deal (so I thought). 3 days later I try to title the car in NY and DMV tells me that it cannot be titled as the bill of sale does not match the title (private seller vs. dealer) I call the seller and ironically he picks up and faxes me a bill of sale on letterhead that matches his "ex-dealership" with the fields filled out that match the prior bill of sale less a few hundred dollars " for my troubles"... Not notarized BTW.. and states this is OK from Penn... this was accepted @ NYS DMV. He apologizes for my troubles.. nice guy.. Anyhow, Within the next week I bring the car to Advanced Automotive in New Windsor, NY and Tom Florio does a series of diagnostics and inspections that take much of his valuable time and my valuable money... need less to say I have put less than 500 miles on this car since purchase and not by Tom's part, as he has been painstakingly troubleshooting this car for the better part of a year despite multiple e-mail and phone call attempts to the seller..no response has been recieved. So in the time the vehicle has been in the capable hands of Tom it has been found that the car prior to my acquisition had a catostrophic collision with a curb, damaging the case just adjacent to the intermediate shaft, the transmission has been completely replaced as well as the motor mounts, tranny mount, oil pan, and some hack ended up JB welding the case (or equivalent) to attempt to solve the problem. There are other unknowns as well however the vehicle leaks oil like a sieve when full. What we have deduced is that the CEL is being caused by a violent vibration that is apparent at 3,000 RPM or above, and such vibration will cause misfire codes in4rearward most coils. If the car is driven at little load and rpms are sustained at 3,000 rpm the CEL will flash, even while sitting still believe it or not. The tranny, clutch, and flywheel appear to be new as per Tom as well as the motor mounts. All compression is within normal limits/coils have been moved/ replaced to no avail. RMS/IMS have been replaced with no solution to leak, Vehicle had a seized reference sensor bolt that was extracted and unit replaced, MAS replaced, smoke test done without negative result.. It seems that possibly this collision prior to my purchase might have tweaked an internal engine component (ie. crank balance, intermediate shaft) as most if not all other causes have been negated secondary to process of elimination as far as we have deduced. If anyone has any advice as to how to handle this unique situation please feel free to LMK as this is turning into an unbelieveable situation that is becoming quite costly. It is seeming that the only alternative is to purchase a new/ used/ refurbed motor, and eat the costs as the PA attorney General has told me to go scratch as the original bill of sale, albeit deception and tax evasive measures, was in a "private sellers" heading. Be aware and be informed.. times are desparate out there... DO NOT let yourself be scumbagged and ensure a through and through inspection of your perspective p-car purchase, as it could cost you a bundle in the long run! F-me

Oh man, that sucks. I feel really bad for you. Please please always get a PPI.

Wow - I wouldnt wish this on my worst enemy. its too bad that your dream car purchase is bad. How much do you have invested at this point? At what point do you have good money chasing after bad? What are the costs to get the car to stop vibrating/leaking? new engine? Maybe park it in NYC and hope it gets stolen (hmmm, never mind I was just joking...)

I'm very sorry to read of your troubles. I too know of the Porsche erection and have done some really dumb things. I know this doesn't help...but know there is a guy in the suburbs of Sacramento that feels for you and hopes it works out for the best. These are great cars when they are running properly. Good luck!!!!!

You say the engine also errors when out of gear with all these symptoms? A guy could hope its just one sides cam electronics. I'd think small claims court for trouble getting the diagnosis done at shops would get it locked into law it's a screwed up deal. Then not certain if he actually owns the dealership like you can really believe his story....the sale although his personal or dealer oriented was with the knowledge of it being a lemon car. Add that to the fact of sale being under good faith of him not filling you with BS might void the sale I'd think. Then I'd think the judge after it all adds up in costs could fact of law bump it up to a higher court case not covered by small claims hopefully with his finding of guilt or deceit attached. If things do start rolling your way then have prices for estimates and already paid out ready. Damages could be a whole totally different thing, like a new GT we could all wish. Good luck getting recourse.

call the bank or institution you got the loan check from and put a stop payment on that bad boy...

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That sounds like a bad experience indeed. It is a shame too, because I think these are some of the toughest cars out there, while also being very straight forward to work on for the most part. This is sort of interesting. If the car was above 3000rpm and smooth before the light came on, this would imply that there's a problem with some sort of engine control, possibly vario-cam issues on one bank or what have you. I'd also be weary of any shop that's charging you lots of money, and replacing parts, without the problem being solved...

I would think the ECU telling the vario cam to advance to higher lift and one side doesn't then the side dropping out on following instructions would show an error. Which bank of cylinders is the rear coil pack if it is related to only one side? I'm not sure if the 911 ECU is managing fuel and ignition maps like I've messed with but if it is going into advancing the ignition and increasing the lift as a norm then a shorter duration of valves might show as the misfiring group. Like anything else its all tough to you have the right answer. Good luck figuring it out. Hopefully the mechaincs aren't happy to throw parts at it all day and have sense enough to zero in on the problem through deduction. Could just be the coil flakes out when higher loads are on it. I doubt it's easy to swap them around but if a good one is handy for testing it might help. The first test I would advise is in the dark let it try the trick and see if you see sparks flying off the ignition wires.

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I have a feeling the seller probably didn't wait over a year to cash that check. In fact, I'm pretty sure he probably cashed it the very next day.

Ugh.

Welcome to Rennlist! sorry to hear about your problems. Thats why we all preach the Pre purchase inspection here, but I understand we all make mistakes when making emotionally driven purchase like a Porsche, Hope you can get it sorted out. Plenty of good info, advice (and laughs to be had) here!

a years worth of looking you could have rebuilt/replaced the motor with a used one? - tough story - here is why emotion buying is a killer.....but that is how I bought mine and it did work out OK... zero inspection, dumb as a rock, OOOWWWEEE it's shiny, i'll take it............ sorry for you man

Crazy story Rich - I'm sorry it happened. Let this be a lesson to all perspective buyers - A PPI, while it may not find everything , is still a worthwhile investment of a few hundred bucks. Beyond that, it can even act as a "filter" before you make an impulse purchase. Tommy knows his stuff. If it can be repaired, he's a good candidate for the job. Another top-notch shop in the area and really knows 996s is DeMan Motorsports.

That sucks. There is a 3.4L M96 engine for sale by a RLister for $6K in CO. Perhaps this would be cheapest way if you get stuck with the car.

Sorry to hear. I know that Tom has a PIWIS, and he cannot track it down, I am not sure what you can do. The oil must be going somewhere, and the vibration, must be the engine.

Hate to hear this . I too am really sorry for your situation. That guy will reap what he sowed, rest assured. I too bought mine on impulse, but it worked out for me. I have to ask, did you not drive it first?

Sorry to hear about this, but buying a p-car without a PPI is asking for (expensive) trouble and it looks like that's what you got.

I feel bad for you, and I do recommend a PPI although even then they don't find everything. The PPi on my car found 2 minor things, but once I got it home I found about 10 minor things. The seller had already told me some of the things so it wasn't a surprise but I'd have thought the PPI dealer would have noticed things like Brake Pad Sensors zip-tied up and a engine compartment light out, and clear bulbs in clear side marker lenses. Those are easy finds, but if they can miss easy stuff what else did they miss? PPI mostly buys a sense of peace. In your case though a PPI from a good place may have saved a lot. The paperwork issue wouldn't have saved you, even buying from a dealer it probably would have a been an "as-is condition" sale.

If the car was wrecked a person with connections in the industry could get it fixed "under the table" and the carfax never be advised.... sometimes the low mile cars make me wonder how long they sat in the body shop

Definitely feel your pain. For what little it's worth, on the three 911s I've bought [86, 89, 99], I had a PPI done on only the 89 and that one needed major engine work done shortly after purchase. Go figure. . . todd 99 coupe

Wow, that sucks (although it was an entertaining read!). Yeah, test drive and PPI would help. (THANKS HINDSIGHT CAPTAIN OBVIOUS) PPI is much more valuable than what your PP thinks! That said, you probably don't have much/any recourse whatsoever. Let's say he DID tell you it had all sorts of problems, you buy it anyway thinking you can fix it, then change your mind and try to sue him for not "disclosing" or simply buyers remorse. Good luck, get her fixed or part her out I guess...

Wow............Sorry to hear about your situation! Thanks for posting your story though. This will give a "wake up" call to other potential buyers. I hope it works out........whatever you decide to do. Good luck.

No affiliation, but it looks like this guy has two 3.4 litre engines available. http://sfbay.craigslist.org/sfc/pts/1570472902.html

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That does suck! The 3.4l M96 in CO is available for $4,650 as it sits (needs an exhaust lifter), $5k ready to install, or about $6k installed (assuming buyer provides/pays for any additional parts needed). Any additional work desired before re-assembly available at reasonable cost. Thanks for the mention, Joe owner of said 3.4l M96 spare motor

Not to beat a dead horse but it sounds like a very basic PPI done by someone with foreign or domestic car experience (not even Porsche experience) would have been able to determine that this car "wasn't right". We all get excited about the purchase of a car, especially a Porsche but not doing you do dilegnce, you could have taken the $28k to Vegas and put it on black, or red, or what the hell, Green! Sorry about yout situation though.

Sorry about your problems.... you could've bought my 2002 for $25,000, so I guess I'm not asking crazy money!

So what are the mechanics saying? Sounds ike something the ECU doesn't track but senses with the misfire side of things. If one side is misfiring then sure enough with one side screwing up things are going to be shaky especially if firing advanced while the valves are still set for lower rpms. Its a simple problem just you don't have the answer yet.

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I truly feel for you and wish it didn't happen...but...

This is terrible. I don't know about you, but I had never heard of a PPI until AFTER I purchased my first P-car and started hanging out around here. Luckily, while I did not PPI, I did have a CPO warranty that covered a few things.

That sucks! Welcome to Rennlist. After that start with your 996, I am NOT going to ask you for pics! See guys, I AM a kind and considerate type of guy!

Sorry to hear about your trouble. I got lucky with mine. No PPI...I did test drive it though.

It would really suck for the seller if someone got ahold of that receipt and responded to a nigerian scam email with the his information. just saying.

Name & location? Just so that everyone knows to avoid... Not to encourage anyone to do something stupid. FM

I laughed as i read your post as you have a way with words. It's just a very bad situation and you can only laugh at it else you will go nuts. You're making payments on a halo car that you know's been used and abused like a rag doll and for this I am very sorry. This is an expensive and really crappy lesson learned because trying to resell this even with a sorted out drivetrain will be tough. Thank you for sharing a story that is tough to tell. I give you props.

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Yep, pretty much sums it up, which is why I have no problem putting it out there as an example and poking fun at myself in the process.. know it all young guys think that they have a handle on everything (until they have to buy a new motor for their Porsche). Stupid is as stupid does. It is indeed the mentioned Erik Nordstorm in the booming metropolis of Harrisburg, PA.. seemed like a nice guy, little did I know that he would end up not using any lubrication in the long run. All I have to say is Karma is a ****.. The best part about it is that when I called him about the situation when I originally thought that the problem was a RMS/IMS he stressed that I should commit insurance fraud (not that the thought didn't cross my mind) at that point as it would be "expensive". Alas, being a man of integrity I can't, and can only hope that he is involved in an unfortunate mishap involving a tire iron and his *********. So Anyconartistdouchebag, hindsight is 20/20 and I have come to terms with this situation becoming one of the most expensive lessons of my life (albeit I have not had a divorce yet, but my friends tell me it's AWESOME). I've come to the conclusion from just driving my car the few hundred tame miles that I am going to persevere and keep her (BTW those engines in CO sound pretty nice ATT.. LMK specifics via PM). I honestly have no shame in posting pics as it really is a beautiful car and drives nicely so long that you don't run the **** out of it and are mindful of your RPMs (It beats driving a Honda like a grandma). If anything at this point this situation has made me a little more cognisant of technical issues and diagnostics with the vehicle which is always a plus. So to delve furthur into this for the tech connoisseurs- The vibration seems to be apparent even when the car is off however rolling.. i.e. 60 mph turn off the key when the vibration is still apparent and it stays. The misfire occurs no matter whether the coils are swapped, or brand new. Yesterday Tom swapped coils from the two that would never throw the codes to the two that were most problematic to no avail. We even threw a new coil into the mix on the worst offender (5) again, to no avail. It seems that the ECU is sensing the vibration as a misfire as all coils are checking out OK per Tom. If the car is driven at 3K sustained the CEL will blink and cut out a cyl. Following turning off the car, the CEL will be steady, however the car will run nicely until the vibration starts again. It does appear that the entire transmission (clutch, flywheel, etc..) are brand new and were quality checked by Tom. The Oil pan, and one of the lower control arms were replaced as well. I have extreme faith in Advanced Auto's capabilities, however even Tom (the owner) is dumbfounded at this point (as he served as a catalyst for this posting as well). It has been expensive however not as bad as one would expect in this situation while having the car in the shop for the better part of a year. So tonight I raise my beer boot to those whom have replied, expressed sympathy, poked fun, and exemplified that there are individuals that empathize with a fellow owner in trouble. Thank you for the advice and please keep the hypothesis rolling in.. after all the boot is half full tonight! Remember as Dr. Mitch said "PPI is much more valuable than what your PP thinks!" Regards, Rich

I'm actually really interested in what this vibration problem is now... When you turn the car off at 60mph, is the clutch out, and the transmission in gear? In other words, is the engine still rotating? Related question, is your vibration there off power also, and not just under acceleration?

Rich, I would have the frame checked out before this car ends up costing you like a divorce. It sounds like the frame may have been bent or a bad wheel or suspect suspension parts from the accident if you are experiencing vibrations.

I was thinking on the vibration too... one or more of the cam chains being off timing was my thought.. with the vario cam working fine on the center but when reaching higher rpms and switching to the larger more advanced (timing) lobes there is something off which causes the DME to try and compensate the fuel mixture throwing CEL because it is out of limits and the vibration from wrong valve timing on one bank??? OR the vario cam on one bank isnt engaging at the same time as the other bank so you are running the small lobes on one side and the large lobes on the other??? sorry I just read where the vibration is even with the car OFF?? in Neutral ??? just rolling?? confirm please - or was it key off and motor spinning, still in gear?

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Wheels have been swapped for new ones, frame looks 100% (this occurs even while the car is not moving and you accel. and hold @ 3K. Yep. So in other words If you are driving down the road at 60 mph, turn off the key, depress the clutch, let rpms go to Idle, then let out the clutch in say 4th gear, the vibration is still there. Yes and yes, the vibration is still there when you are not accelerating and just holding @ 3k when the car is not moving as well as when the car is off and moving and clutch is out (see above). Throws codes like it was it's job.

so the viration is engine - I just got lost for a minute (seeing how you can duplicate it standing still) timing chains / variocam issue IMO you said the oil pan is JB welded? have you removed it to look deeper inside? any obvioous sings of trauma

Hard to imagine it being a timing or variocam issue if the vibration is still there under deceleration, or with the engine off. Sounds like it's in the reciprocating assembly. If compression is good, I'd have to imagine it's in the flywheel, perhaps a broken dual mass. It sounds like somebody has not been around the engine w/a stethoscope? Of course that wouldn't really explain the codes that are being thrown. I'm almost tempted to fly out there and look at it in the flesh just out of personal curiosity, if he'd let me... -I've built many engines in my day, professionally worked as a mechanic/track car prep, instruct at HPDEs blah blah. I'd at least like to talk on the phone, PM me if you'd at least waste a few minutes explaining the situation over the phone!

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Nope, oil pan was replaced.. ACTUAL CASE is JB welded.. classy, classy craftsmenship if you ask me... I'd let you do anything you wanted to at this point.. LMK. I'll give you a call as I'm available all day just shoot me your #. I think Tom from Advanced is going to at least peruse through the replys as well and possibly shoot a more specific post so stay tuned . Thank you for the help guys, I really appreciate it.

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Bent drive axle? What is the wear like on the tires? You probably can't tell with the miles on the rubber yet...

If anything good has/will come out of this TR - it's reafirmed that while a PPI is not insurance that something will not go wrong and you will avoid it if you got a PPI, it's at least better then flipping a coin and 'hoping' you got a good car. And the follow on issue of this vibration and what ever you discover is causing it - is entertaining (sorry) in a train wreak, gotta find out if they died or something kinda way. Damn 'rubbernecker's' I hear you say! Hopefully you might get some good news in that (and I'm hoping) it's one of these - I can't believe that little thing (inexpensive) was causing all of this trouble. Brightside mode - guilty as charged.

Ahmet could be closer - if the tranny was repaced maybe the flywheel is bent? I thought you said you pulled the tranny out? - if not might be a place to look - I don't see how you can dismiss timing chains due to decelleration vibration? If the lifters are not all running on the same part of the cam (left and right) I am guessing it will vibrate like hell... And if someone was dinking around with things I believe chain timing can get screwed up if (ask those who have posted threads of IMS retrofits and having issues) just read were the 968 varicam is engaged from 1500-5500 rpm... anyone know what rpm's the 996 is....... I saw once it was 3200 and since then have not been able to re-confirm ----- if it is 1500 range then I am off base on some thinking (like that will be a big surprise)

So I missed it. Why didn’t you get a PPI?

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Clutch/ Flywheel, and entire tranny for that matter appear to be NEW.. as well as a control arm and a crossmember... this thing took some hit.

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As a few have said here, I wasn't even familiar with the term prior to getting into the loop here... and my pee-pee was hard for a 996- a tough lesson on impulse buying.

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1300 to 5950 is what Paul Frere in "The Porsche Story" writes.

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so the flywheel is new but could be mounted on a bent surface (crank) I would suggest if you go back in the to put an indicator on the flywheel surface and turn the crank over to see if it is running true (even though it is new)

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THANKS ! Nothing better than me giving bad info all over the place !!

Ahhh yes, the impulse buy. Been there, done that. FWIW, You are not alone. In fact I did not get a PPI on my 911 when I bought it, and neither did the guy who just bought it from me (sight unseen).

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Aaron, does he know your car is a Tip? OK, I PROMISE that is the last Tip joke I make about your car...... unless you buy another car with a Tip. BTW, PDK doesn't count.

Arron's interior picture for the sale were his avatar of course it's a Tip (sorry Aaron, I know that avatar has recieved a few comments as did the last 1... or 2 LOL) Sorry OP - I have never been off topic before, just this once

Looking at a 2001 996 TT which will have a PPI completed tomorrow. This is not the first car I have looked at, and the PPI results are the reason.

So what's up with the horror story? Any chance of being able to run the car with out the trans and flywheel attached? If you are getting billed for all the mech work then man are you getting hit hard.

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I hope it's a clean report. More details please.

I found the 2001 Porsche TT in Phoenix, where the car has been since 2003. I contacted the Porsche dealer which nothing but good things to say about how the car was maintained through the years. Don Jackson Enterprises is completing the PPI in Phoenix for me tomorrow and we will go from there.

maybe more than one issue? One, engine off car going 60 mph has vibe. Rules out Flywheel or anything past the clutch forward Car sitting still rev to 3K car NOT MOVING has vibration... If clutch is in rules out anything clutch back. I think he has 2 issues.

So...whatever happened with this? Did you find your engine vibration!?

"What we have deduced is that the CEL is being caused by a violent vibration that is apparent at 3,000 RPM or above, and such vibration will cause misfire codes in4rearward most coils. If the car is driven at little load and rpms are sustained at 3,000 rpm the CEL will flash, even while sitting still believe it or not." Just a thought based on my own experience with my 04 C2. Variocam is initiated over 3,000 rpm (3200rpm for mine). On my car, and I understand it is very rare for this to happen on non-tiptronic cars, a lifter was stuck on the high side for the vario-cam. I do recall that when the dealer first started the car it ran smoothly until they gradually increased the rpm's to variocam territory, that was their first clue. Luckily everything was covered under CPO - that was 20k miles ago and all is still perfectly fine. I had 45K miles on the clock when it happened. I believe your CEL continues to flash because the mis-fire codes have been detected. I hope it works out for you.

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The next day? It sounds like the guy went to the bank right away ! I also think court is the way to go with this. Photo and document all repairs. Get written testimony from the techs doing the repair. I also feel like this is a great fraud case, since he knowingly marked it private sale to circumvent the PA laws

FYI OLD THREAD>> ELVIS HAS LEFT THE BUILDING

Do we need to start introducing the old thread confirmation that many other forums use? See attached screen shot.

I think the question was rellevent... the guy asked "what ever happened?" its not THAT old...not like a 6 year old "for sale" thread asking if the OP "still has it"

Considering the OP has a total of 9 posts (almost all form this thread) and hasn't posted in over a year, I would have to say that posting to the thread asking the OP what happened isn't exactly the best way to go about it. But, it seems lately that it is people that don't visit the site often that are reviving old threads with no rationale or at least an explanation why they are bringing a thread back from the dead. Most times when somebody pulls a deep-6'd thread from the abyss, it is usually accompanied with something like "I realize this thread is way old but I developed a very similar problem and was hoping the OP could shed some light on it". Even then, a new thread would be better, no?

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Hey I like that!

Marc, totally agree. It has actually stopped me from posting to a thread realizing how old it was. Sometimes when searching you totally forget to look at the date. This would alleviate that. There are absolutely some times when posting to a years old thread is relevant. This would help with that.

true Dell... but the basic search results are not organized by date by default, sometimes that is what happens. I notice when i do a basic search i have to be mindfull of the dates, not everyone knows that....I blame management

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+1.... middle management!

probably owns 3 Porsche's

A stiff pee pee , Porsche or otherwise has mislead men thru the ages...

Stop old threads being editable. If someone wants to know what happened, the OP can create a new thread and put a link to the relevant (old) thread.

Some people have no ETHICS no Morals...what a Bastard that guy is! Horrible, i had a similar experience, was looking for a 911 for over a month, found one on Craigslist in LA, called seller, assured me, i said screw it, i drove to airport, flew to LA from Arizona, took a cab to meet him & noticed sound in engine, called independent Porsche Shop, it was too late for PPi, almost 5pm, but they agreed to at least look at it, the shop owner told me car has issues, and owner of the car seemed shady & kept changing his story so i walked, Thank God! 2 weeks later, found "THE ONE" in San Fran & thank God till now no issues, i love it, and feel it was meant for me! Good Luck man.. ps: your seriously a talented writer, you kept it interesting with a sense of humor..

With regards old threads....chill out man. Very occasionally an old thread is revived, usually legitimately. Don't go locking down every thread just because once or twice per year someone accidentally revives an old thread that deserves to be dead. Man oh man....there's a back button right there at the top corner of your browser. If the date on the thread is too old for your liking then just click that little arrow thing. Problem solved.

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Good point, one man's old thread is another man's new revelation. With my addiction to internet **** I rarely have the interest or the strength to check Rennlist on a regular basis .....by the way what's the fuss about that intermidiate thingy ??