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since i won't be there in person
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It'll be a little more difficult I suspect since I won't be there in person, but I'll see how low I can make 'em go.
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The CPO cars have to be in very good to excellent overall condition and the tires have to have 70%-80% tread left on them (make sure you check the manufacture date of the tire because this may not be included in a CPO check).
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The CPO cars have to be in very good to excellent overall condition and the tires have to have 70%-80% tread left on them (make sure you check the manufacture date of the tire because this may not be included in a CPO check).
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Thanks for all the input and help, and especially to Carey for driving down there to check the car over for me!
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The CPO cars have to be in very good to excellent overall condition and the tires have to have 70%-80% tread left on them (make sure you check the manufacture date of the tire because this may not be included in a CPO check).
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The CPO cars have to be in very good to excellent overall condition and the tires have to have 70%-80% tread left on them (make sure you check the manufacture date of the tire because this may not be included in a CPO check).
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They are getting the differential seal replaced at a local repair shop that they say is top notch and I figure since it's just a seal, it should be alright to trust that shop.
Replace tires, fixing the diff, and other things, they decided
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So, after many promises from the salesman of replacing tires, fixing the diff, and other things, they decided that they could not let the car go for less than 41k as is, with still bald tires and all.
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Besides, you're likely to run through lots of tires if you keep the car for any length of time let alone all the money you'll spend on mods and other things once you have it
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Hey guys,
I think I may have found the car for me! It seems to have all the options I want and is definitely the color I want inside and out. I have a question though. The steering wheel seems to have two shades to it. The center is a little darker than the handle part (see link). Is this normal or possibly due to sun damage/hand sweat or is this a sign of a possible airbag deployment?
http://onlycarsites.net/~jenkinsauto...22815-34sm.jpg
Thanks in advance!
Jeff
Also a lot of people put armorall on the center since it is vinyl, but not on the wheel.. for obvious reasons... it looks to me like thats what is going on there.. emphasized by the camera. :-)
Hey guys, thanks for the posts on the wheel, and yeah, she sure is pretty! I just ordered a PPI on it via Champion Porsche and that is going through tomorrow morning. We'll see how it turns out!
Is there anyone in the Pompano Beach, FL area that would be kind enough to take a peek at her for me? I would really appreciate it because I don't think I'll be able to make it over there necessarily as I am booked solid for the next month. I think if this PPI goes thorough, I will pull the trigger!
I'm hoping to talk them down in price a little though. What do you all think is a fair price? Sorry for all the questions, it's just that this is not exactly a small purchase for me, so I'm a little nervous, haha.
That is very good to know. I will take it to heart. Very serious stuff that is...
***alright, I can't keep a straight face typing this anymore***
Hahahaaha! You, sir, make me feel so much better about this car, and P-cars in general. Thanks for the laugh!
Thanks Fred! I saw that price on ebay (where I initially found it), but I'm hoping to get them to go for $40k or below. Is this reasonable? I was really hoping to pay around $35-$37, but this is exactly the car I've been looking for, option for option, so I'm willing to pay a little more if necessary.
Did you get a carfax report on the car yet? I don't think that offering 38 to 40 is unreasonable. Jenkins knows that you are interested by completing a PPI so they should consider your offer to be a serious offer.
Suggest you offer on the low side. A fellow Rennlister's friend wants to sell his 997 Cabriolet (2005) with 10,000 miles and the going rate would be around $45K.
Thanks for the price point, Dan! I'll see if I can talk 'em down some. It'll be a little more difficult I suspect since I won't be there in person, but I'll see how low I can make 'em go.
Fred, thanks for your input on the price. I do have some information from ebay (don't know where their source comes from, but here it is:
http://cgi.ebay.com/ebaymotors/04-PO...#ht_5340wt_909
Looks like a lien issue and it was once a leased car, but that is all. I don't really know what to make of the lien... how can I check to make sure this isn't a problem? I'm sure it's clean and the first position debtors are paid off, but in the unlikely scenario they aren't...
nice car! proceed cautiously,anybody correct me ,if its a full leather interior,then the air bag would also be leather?why isnt it ?just seems strange,good luck
The driver side airbag does seem a bit uneven.... just press and feel around the driver side airbag and then do the same to the passenger side to see if what you feel is identical.
Not all things are reported on CarFax....
If all clears, I'd say go for it. It's beautiful!
Alright, I sent Champion Porsche an email asking them about the wheel center and whether it's supposed to be leather. I also asked them to take a look at the airbag to see if there are any mismatches in the dye or if it feels loose. Hopefully they'll help me out!
Champion got held up yesterday, so they're going to conduct the inspection sometime today. I'll definitely let you all know what the results are as soon as I get them =)
I spoke with the mechanic who is conducting the inspection yesterday. He said he had taken a quick look at the car so I asked him about the condition. He said that the outside is dirty (just needs a bath) and that the steering wheel and shifter show some signs of wear. You can actually see the wear in the pictures if you know what to look for. I think it should be pretty straightforward to negotiate a lower price based on this (hopefully).
Sorry I haven't updated in a bit. I have been on vacation with little access to internet. So, the PPI looks good. Only issues are a leaky front differential and bald tires. When the dealership found out about these issues, they immediately offered to get them fixed. They are getting the differential seal replaced at a local repair shop that they say is top notch and I figure since it's just a seal, it should be alright to trust that shop. As for the tires, they are going to reduce the price of the car accordingly.
Now the I just need to get financing figured out the rest of the way and negotiate price. Carey was nice enough to go check out the car for me yesterday and he says it looks great with the exception that the headlights are starting to yellow.
Hey guys,
Sorry for taking so long to update on this. Things have been a whirlwind here with the car and life in general. So, after many promises from the salesman of replacing tires, fixing the diff, and other things, they decided that they could not let the car go for less than 41k as is, with still bald tires and all. They claim that that puts it "at cost". I called BS, but they wouldn't budge. I think that 41k with bald tires is just not a good deal, so I had to walk. Hopefully everyone else who looks at the car will feel the same way about the price, so that I can come back in a couple months and restate my offer during the winter. I'm a little sad about the way it turned out, but I just didn't want to waste money and I feel that in this economy I could get a better deal. Thanks for all the input and help, and especially to Carey for driving down there to check the car over for me!
I don't know. If, as in your earlier post, it's
exactly the car you are looking for
and plan to keep it for a while then you may want to rethink things a bit. If they are going to fix the diff and not replace the tires then you may want to bite the bullet. OTOH, if you are sure it's going to be there when the weather changes then you can always hold out a bit longer.
My take is that paying a little bit too much, but getting exactly what you want, is better than trying to be too frugal and missing out on an otherwise nice specimen. Besides, you're likely to run through lots of tires if you keep the car for any length of time let alone all the money you'll spend on mods and other things once you have it
Then again, who knows? You may give up on this one and something else that is also exactly what you are looking for could come along at a more attractive price.
Good hunting regardless of which way you decide to go.
I think you are making the right move. These cars will continue to depreciate and the economy is not going to get better soon. At $41K, you should be able to pick up a 996TT this winter....
Usually I would agree with you completely. If this was a silver coupe with a black interior the decision would be an easy one.
But... the unique options on that car change the equation a bit. IIRC this was really what you were looking for. You probably won't find this unique combination again. If your PPI was independent and the only problems were the front diff leak and tires, you might want to reconsider just a bit. What if they just replace the tires and sell it for $41 (as long as you approve the specific tire choice)? In my experience, I'd rather have the diff repair done by someone I knew locally anyhow - particularly considering potential competence and parts/labor warranties. Having said that, I don't know squat about possible differential problems and how it could be worse once they get in there. No easy decision.
Just an idea...
I saw this car in person. The condition was good not excellent. The headlights were yellowing, the tires were shot and the seats showed considerable wear. On the positive side it had sport seats with body color seatbacks, rear center console color matched as well. The paint was a 7.5 of 10. could use some buffing/polishing. The wheels were nice. All this being said 4S's are going for mid thirties.... this one falls in that category in my opinion. If the car was mint and had lower miles maybe it would be worth high thirties but 41? cmon man......... Jeff keep looking dood. You will find the right one soon.
I should clarify that they were willing to sell it at the lowest at 41k with the diff problem and tire problem. They weren't willing to fix either when they had initially told me they would. Also, I brought up the headlight issue and they dodged it. I didn't like the way they tried to belittle these issues and, as I said before, I think this is a poor price for the car. We'll see; hopefully they'll wise up and I'll be able to offer them 37k later this year or so and they'll take the deal *crossing fingers*
The unique options do make it much more tempting for me, but I think the options are quirky enough that they'll have a hard time finding a buyer. Many people don't like the blue interior (especially the seatbelts) so I think it'll still be there in a couple months.
What he said +1
And what he said +1
At the very least, $41K is C4S CPO money. The CPO cars have to be in very good to excellent overall condition and the tires have to have 70%-80% tread left on them (make sure you check the manufacture date of the tire because this may not be included in a CPO check).
Check this out:
http://www.porscheofthemainline.com/...d-5799040.html
Thanks guys. I was in the process of moving, so I was out of the loop for a bit, but I'm mostly settled in now. Anyways, yeah I'm gonna keep looking and also see if the car is still there in a couple months. If so, maybe they'll be more willing to deal. I wholeheartedly agree it was just overpriced.
I agree with the advice to keep looking. I was able to find an '03 C4S with ~20K miles for a couple of thousand less from a Porsche dealer. PPI returned no issues whatsoever.
Your car is out there. Good luck!
Good to know. If they don't sell it there, then I know I can get a better deal from them. Or perhaps if someone here has connections there is some chance I could place a bid through them?
Thanks for the info Tim!
Any time
If I did not have my White one I would be very interested in it. I love the Blue and the inside accents etc.
I will call a dealer friend of mine. Maybe he can help. Will PM ya
I personally would wonder why the plastic on the airbag looks so much newer than the rest of the steering wheel - was the original deployed (accident)?
That was my original thought as well, but according to our fellow Rennlister who looked at the car in person for me, it didn't look different. Probably a trick of the flash on the camera. There was absolutely no other sign of accident, so I think it's likely alright. Actually, if you look at the Porsche crest on the wheel in the close-up, it is damaged, so I don't think it's newer than the rest of the interior. Thanks for the concern though!
The airbag cover is made out of a different material compared to the leather steering wheel if the steering wheel did not come with a full leather option.
Haha no worries. It's a common misconception. I have the name "Kenne" from a Mustang forum I'm on due to my KenneBell supercharged Mustang GT. I have considered changing my username, but that would be a hassle with how many people know me on other forums.
Well, after several months, Jenkins Automotive finally lowered their price. It took me about a month after they did this to get my finances in order again (I'm very meticulous at budgeting) and when I called a couple days ago to make an offer (finally) the guy on the phone tells me he sold the car
4 minutes
before I called! What are the chances of that?!!? I thought it was pretty funny, to be honest. I guess there is a really happy new C4S owner out there now enjoying that car.
Oh well, the hunt is on again. I'm starting to seriously consider a Cayman S now. *sheepish grin*
I need to some more research though before I can make a decision.
Haha well, the main point is, it's time for me to start searching again =) To be honest, I am enjoying the hunt, so it's not too terribly crushing to miss out on this one.
