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The problem is instant-on more than anything, you really have to use your head, don't speed coming over hills or around curves, and learn which vehicle models the police are using on your route.
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Having a detector to sniff him out can't be replaced by a set of eyes.
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My local (MN) experience is running 99%; men get tickets, women get warnings .
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Running late will dramatically increase your chance for tix.
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The problem is instant-on more than anything, you really have to use your head, don't speed coming over hills or around curves, and learn which vehicle models the police are using on your route.
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The problem is instant-on more than anything, you really have to use your head, don't speed coming over hills or around curves, and learn which vehicle models the police are using on your route.
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It's still not a good substitute for a good set of eyes.
after reading a couple of threads, I am still unsure about the best technology to save me from getting tickets. I saw there were radar detectors and lazer jammers.
Is there an easy way to get an all around instrument and that does not require too much sophistication in the handling nor its install?
Thanks a bunch
The simple answer is no. All they do is tell you that someone is pointing a speed gun at you....at that point it's probably already too late. Jammers are illegal in just about most states.
Best option is to use your head or a track.
Radar jammers are illegal in most states. Laser jammers are not illegal in most states.
Beltronics makes a laser jammer / radar detector that is a little pricey ($1,700.00) but it is discrete and Beltronics offers free installation at Circuit City with the purchase from their web-site.
IMO, Valentine 1 makes the best radar detector.
I sold my V1 and have just slowed down on the road. As it has been said before and will be said again "Take it to the track". This is what I have done. Taking the Porsche to the limits still bites me every once in a while. Wide open in 5th is becoming a rare occasion. Instead, I'd rather find some mountain roads and enjoy the handling instead of the top end.
But then again, I drive a 944 NA, so it is all about handling, not speed. Hitting 80(?) in third on an autocross course while on an elevation drop, will certainly get the adrenalin flowing.
Not speeding is not an option!
Whoever says your head 'n eyes are your best tools don't have a Passport 9500i.
You should always use a Radar Detector. I have a 9500i and highly recommend it. Although, I also hear great stuff about the V1.
Yeah... sounds like the V1 is the best option even if a little pricey. From what I read it allows for arrows & rear detection.
It's not like I am looking for a detector in order to hit the 100+ mph, but if I can drive 20mph over the speed limit it saves a lot of time on big commutes
Agreed. Personally, I hated using mine. It made me more paranoid about getting a ticket and not less. I found that I'm a happier driver now that I don't use my radar detector.
The problem is instant-on more than anything, you really have to use your head, don't speed coming over hills or around curves, and learn which vehicle models the police are using on your route. If I drove great distances regularly I might consider a V1, but if it was a commute, I would do my best to learn where the speed traps were.
Drive 10 mph over the limit and don't worry about it. If you need to go 20 over on your commutes, leave earlier and don't be in a hurry. Running late will dramatically increase your chance for tix. Most important, be safe out there.
If Tim is not willing to share, then your best detectors seem to fall into either the Valentine One or the Passport 9500i. If detectors are illegal in your area, then u have some other choices. Jammers are very expensive and don't work that well.
I guess this is where ignorance is bliss comes in?
But I agree, I do not use one going to work. I just go with the flow. But for LONG 3+ hour drives. I use one. Especially in the desert.
No not at all. There's no ignornace to it at all.
I use my eyes, ears and brain. I'm smart about where I put my foot down.
Being smart is far more valuable than reacting to every beep of a tool.
Watching the behavior of others is a far more accurate assessment of risk than a beep from a detector.
A number of people here in Seattle have the Laser jammer and a separate radar detector(couple of CGTs,GT3, and Fcars). They all say it is great. Nothing is 100%
If you buy a top radar detector, it will save you where your eyes and ears simply can't. There is NO substitute for an excellent detector. If you don't have one, you shouldn't speed, it's that simple.
I disagreee. I have a Beltronics RX65 - it's one of the best. It's still not a good substitute for a good set of eyes.
There is no substitute for good powers of observation.
I disagree back!!
There are times where my detector saves me miles in advance. There are other times when my detectorlets me know a cop is coming up from behind, WAY before I can see him. I can't even count how many tickets my detector alone has saved me. It is totally invaluable.
Especially at nite time a cop knows where to hide so you can't see him. Having a detector to sniff him out can't be replaced by a set of eyes. Anyone with a 9500i will tell you the same thing, I guarantee you!!
I don't disagree, my radar detector does all that. The 9500i is essentially the same as my Bel RX65 but with GPS. Remember that Escort and Beltronics are the same company selling the same units under different brands and model numbers.
Gant, I know that you have a propensity for portraying everything you buy as the greatest thing on the planet, but you have to get realistic - a radar detector is no substitute for common sense and good observational skills. I know not many people have common sense, but a radar detector still isn't the solution.
There's a fundamental difference between our environments that makes a radar detector a pain.
I live in a highly populated area that is crawling with police (both local and state) and populated with lots of stray signals bouncing off buildings that cause false alarms. Living with a radar detector that is activating due to stray signals is not a lot of fun and has you searching out police from the shadows.
I know that you will say, "oh, you need to buy a unit with GPS", but no, I'm sorry, that's not the solution. A radar detector by it's very nature will have you reacting to every beep, even if you're traveling at the speed limit. A radar detector will train you to be hitting the brakes first and searching out the cop second - that doesn't tend to lend itself to blissful driving.
It's especially problematic around here because most of the police are not allowed to use radar (only State police are allowed to use it in PA) and rely on VASCAR. 95% of all of my driving is in areas where radar isn't used.
I'd prefer to drive using common sense - happy and consistent in my driving, rather than hitting the brakes because my detector beeped.
I don't remember saying ONLY get a 9500i, I believe I said get a "top" radar detector. I happen to have a 9500i and it's been great for me.
Mine falses very rarely, when it does, I lock it out. Done, never to false in that zone again. But, to each his own. I would tell anyone, buy a 9500i OR a V1 and try it out, FOR SURE. If you don't like it, Ebay it. But, don't NOT try one cause of what someone else says.
As I've said before, I couldn't live without one sniffing the cops out for me.
I look at radar just like GPS, it's a good thing to have when you're in unfamiliar territory, and invaluable when traversing deserted roads. I don't do that too often, so when I do I just drive 5mph over the limit and hit the cruise. If I did it more, I think V1 is te front-runner in this game, and th BEL/Passport is very well regarded as well. I can't imagine you could go wrong with either, but like any other "driver aid" they don't replace the need for knowledge on how to properly use them or common sense on where they won't be effective and how to not look like a jackass at any speed (which will get you pulled over quicker than speeding any day of the week, you weavers know who I'm talking about)
Some people swear by detectors, others are annoyed by it. I fall into the annoyed by it camp, partl because of the huge falsing in high density areas like where I live (on both coasts), and because I hate things that dangle around or are plugged into the CLA, attached with suction cups, etc. I just don't want to pony up for a true seamless (hidden) hardwire and get locked into continuously evolving tech (I would if V1 had a true hidden hardwire since they are software upgradeable, but the company says hardwire doesn't work, that you need line of sight at the highest point in the vehicle). All my buddies with the K40s and the integral passports and the jammers only swear by them because they were ~$4K all told, parts + labor + random fear based upsells. I doubt they work as well as a windscreen mounted top line passport or the V1.
Geez, it must really be confusing as this thread quickly ran up to 2 pages.
Agree that eyes, ears, brain are the three most important.
IF
you are going to go over the speed limit. And
MOST
people do.
Radar detectors are an adjunct. Simple dash/windshield mount is excellent, unsophisticated handling and install, and it works well together with eyes, ears and brain. Jammers, either radar or laser, are not worth it. Top of the line Passport, Bel, Valentine will work. Realize that instant-on radar and laser can still get you reagardless of how much money you spend and whatever brand you get. That's where brains come in.
BTW, I hate V1. Ugly as sin, too many false alarms, and all those arrows serve to confuse and are useless. Bought one, sold it to get another. Could not be happier.
Seeing that you're in MA, radar detectors (or any other technology) will help but only a little. I have a V1 which lets me know when I'm a approaching a local cop because they tend to drive around with the radar on. It has helped with local roads quite a lot. However, as good as the V1 is, you can't count on any technology on the highways in MA. Your biggest threat is being caught by a State cop pacing you, especially in an unmarked car.
Best advice, keep the speeds reasonable (5 to 10 above) and try not to "stand out" or be the "lone wolf".
Don't get me wrong, the V1 is a great detector. It's just that if you put your faith and driving record purely in the hands of any technology, you're going to get a lot of tickets.
Right, as I said, get a top radar. But using common sense is always important. Like I'd ever say to someone in ANY situation in life, "don't use your common sense." That goes without saying, however; once the radar detector saves you a couple times, you'll thank your "piece of plastic."
Just saw on the news last night that the optimum speed for conserving fuel is about 45 MPH. Anyone care to start a trend?
Takes care of the ticket problem too.
I agree with Wellard on this one. Being smart and observant is your best defense. I happen to not have a radar detector right now (I think they're illegal in my state anyway), but have nothing against them. However, I've gotten
fewer
tickes in the years I
haven't
had a detector. It's too easy to get lulled into a false sense of security. (And the last ticket I got was when I had paced the police chief in an unmarked car... but that's another story!)
I started that trend last night, as a matter of fact. We were in my wife's car (Passat Wagon) driving about 30 miles home from a party. Needing an "excuse" to drive in a "gentle" manner, I tried to get the best fuel mileage I could. I'll admit, I was driving like a granny... but a very smooth granny. And using gravity to the best of my ability (and coasting in neutral for as long as possible before stops/turns).
I get the average mileage up to 35 MPG and let out a little triumphant whoop. My wife says, "is that why you're driving so slow? I thought there was a cop behind you, but didn't see one... Then I thought you were drunk, but you only had 2 beers all afternoon... So I figured you must have
matured
."
"Haha, " I say, "Joke's on you! I was just playing a little game to see what gas mileage I could hit."
There was a big hill before home, so I only averaged 34.7 MPG on that trip. She hasn't gotten above 30 yet.
As my reward for saving the environment, I took the 996 out for a 'spirited' drive
Actually, the really good way to avoid tickets is to be female. My local (MN) experience is running 99%; men get tickets, women get warnings . . .
"Not that there's anything wrong with that" . . .
How do you guys detect VASCAR? Radar dectectors are really only good if you are intraffic or if there is a lot of traffic around. If you are on a country road by yourself it would be no good. My advice for anyone is to just driver around 9mph-10mph over the limit and you should be good.
You don't detect VASCAR.
There are two white lines on the road and (maybe) a cop sitting in a position where you can't see him waiting to time your speed you as you drive between the lines.
If you're not smart enough to be driving within 10mph of the limit, then you'd better to be really good to slowing down if a cop is sitting there waiting for you.
What if he is driving a unmarked car and running moving VASCAR? Say they are behind clocking you from the rear or in front of you clocking you approaching their car?
"VASCAR" is simply timing you over a marked course. Cop must be stationary and actively observing/clocking targets - just like laser. Generally more work than they want to do, although laser is becoming MUCH more prevalent. While the product has disadvantages, I applied Laser Veil (do a search) to my daily driver and it MAY have saved my *** twice.
Those who choose to speed without a detector are compromising (as the ad says) their situational awareness.
When I'm without mine, 10 over is all I'll risk...now if the cops would only drive marked crown vics.
Radar has saved me multiple times. I don't blast around all the time but every once in awhile I get a bit up on the speedometer and that alarm has signaled a cop that I pass a half mile or so later even on a winding road. All who say they don't don't speed...bull. Everyone speeds on occasion, even if unintentional. And please stop preaching to us if your tag says things like "life is too short to drive in the slow lane", or "move ovr" as your license plate. Pretty Please...I asked nicely.
Laser yes, you must be stationary. VASCAR, no. They can use bridge shadows as marks or anything that cast a shadow that isn't moving. There are 5 ways to clock cars with VASCAR.
