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easiest car
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I had a 95 and it was the easiest car to own, and it was bulletproof.
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wood trim cracked & discolored - replaced under warranty
Run with the ford derived engine and had cheap bits
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I think they ran with the Ford derived engine and had cheap bits for interiors.
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I always check em out when I stop by my RR dealer.
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You do have a different sense of cheap repair bill after you own one of these.
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Oil change costs $50-100 once a year...flush coolant and clean radiators every two years is a few hundred bucks...flush brake fluid is a hundred bucks or so.
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Just to give you guys an idea, my 1999 996 coupe just crossed 30k miles and in the last 3 years and 5k miles of ownership I've spent about $10k in maintenance & repairs, and that's not including upgrades, which would probably run another $10k.
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I bought the car used at 57K miles on it and soon after the clutch crapped out....hence...added IMS fix, and water pump was leaking...tack that one....AOS, the valve cover is still leaking.
At least, interesting to me.
The last few days, I have been visiting a Jaguar Forum trying to deal with a pesky issue with my 2005 S-Type. It is clear that they have a much different perspective about "cost". For example, they consider a $450 repair to be "expensive".
As for my 996, if I were to walk out of my Indy only $450 poorer, I would be doing cartwheels in the parking lot!
$450 is what a slightly above average unskilled worker earns before taxes in a week. For a lot of this country, $450 might be 10% of the value of their car or more.
Lets keep it in perspective.
The average repair might be less, but the frequency was much, much higher than every other car I owned with the exception of a Range Rover. In fact, my accountant said he had never seen a thicker maintenance file than the one for my '01 Jag VDP...
Well it started out British(bad electrics historically) then got bought out by Ford and now Tata motors owns it. So the train wreck has been coming but is going to be materializing very soon...
If there was any case to do a LS conversion in ANY car, the Jaguars would be prime candidates imo. Just sayin...
I am very surprised that Jags would be cheap to maintain?! Especially the new ones, or the old V12's! Where i am Jag and Land Rover is the same dealership and they own the Porsche too.
Your perspective gets very easily ruined when owning a Porsche.
When I hear about repair costs on other cars I get pretty jealous. But that's all part of the ownership experience and I'm sure we all knew what we were in for when we signed on the dotted line.
Never had a pretty women bat their eyes at me when I'm driving my old cheap to maintain Acura TL (winter DD) but it happens pretty regularly with the P-car!!
Ok, for starters, a 2005 Jag S-Type is not worth that much currently. I do not know what it cost in 2005, but I'm guessing not a lot. I think they ran with the Ford derived engine and had cheap bits for interiors. From what I have heard and read, the XK models, esp after a revamp in 2007 are nice.
Considering that a 911 was and is an expensive car to buy when new, us 996 owners got a good bargain in terms of buying costs. But maintenance costs remain the same - and I think most of us here knew that before jumping in. When I bought my 996 a year ago, my friend bought a Nissan Altima new and he paid slightly more than what I did for my car. And I have spent considerably more than him on maintaining/upgrading my car. Still, I'm sure all of us here would agree that the joy one gets from driving a Porsche can never be compared with a regular cheap-to-maintain car.
An exaggerated example would be that its possible to buy a late 80s Ferrari Mondial (not the best one from Ferrari) for around 30 grand. But your street-end mechanic might not know anything about performing repairs on the car - which means you either need to head to the dealership or to specialised shops - expensive in either case.
I actually had to look that one up:
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Neither of my Porsches visit the shop frequently. That being said, I'm thrilled when the final bill is less than four figures for either of them when they do visit!
"Neither of my Porsche's visit the shop frequently. That being said, I'm thrilled when the final bill is less than four figures for either of them when they do visit!"
+1 on that, but who really cares it is only money and I can make more.
You do have a different sense of cheap repair bill after you own one of these. We have two other Hondas and one toyota and a cheap bill on the 911 would be a real expensive one on the others. Heck, they might even get traded in if the repairs were that high on the others.
If I were rich in england barreling down the british country roads with an old jaguar in dry, wet and or foggy weather I'd for sure think having that extra nose sticking out would be excellent. After plowing into a country cottage the long front end is perfect to drink tea off of waiting for a tow truck.
Maybe I need to get a jag... Everything in my stable leaves you woosy post service. Lol! I love em though! Is jag regular service any better than bmw or Benz though?
Some of the new Jags are super nice. I always check em out when I stop by my RR dealer.
Not to dis on the S Type, but it was built on the Lincoln LS platform and shared many many parts, hence the cheaper maintenance costs, especially if you have the V6 as I think it's the exact same as the Lincoln motor, which is essentially a Ford V6. I never really considered the S Type to be a real Jag :P But anyways, high end Jag (XJ & XK) maintenance is no different from any other high end ($70k+ new msrp) European car. I owned a 2000 XJR and a 2004 XJR (both had the factory extended warranty till 100k) and they were both VERY expensive to maintain even with the factory warranty. This was when I drove average miles/year (10 - 15k/yr). I took the car in for service quite frequently and it was pricey regardless of whether I went to the dealer or an indy. Wear and tear items and regular maintenance were just as expensive the 996 if not more. If the car went in the shop I would pray that the bill would be under $1k, just like the 996. I lost an engine at 60k miles in my 2000 XJR due to failed chain tensioners; along with 2 bad throttle bodies (the one part that wasn't covered under extended warranty) and a bunch of other annoying things = $$$$. I also had a transmission replaced in my 04 (covered under warranty). Yeah they were a pain in the *** but they were awesome cars and I have no regrets. Compared to my other friends who owned high end BMW's and Benz's ( 6 & 7 series, M series, S, SL CL, G Class) I'd say that our maintenance costs and reliability were about the same: expensive and lots of headaches but we deal with it....... Newer Jags should be about the same; they're okay when under warranty but watch out once it expires!
The only cars that I NEVER EVER worried about were my NSX, Landcruiser, and SC430. The landcruiser and the SC never had any issues whatsoever, and the NSX was 10x more reliable and offered 100x the peace of mind (in terms of reliability) than my 996 even though it had 4x the mileage and was more than 13 years old at the time. That's one car I regret selling..... Just to give you guys an idea, my 1999 996 coupe just crossed 30k miles and in the last 3 years and 5k miles of ownership I've spent about $10k in maintenance & repairs, and that's not including upgrades, which would probably run another $10k. Now granted, that $10k figure includes a lot of preventative maintenance like IMS, RMS, plugs, water pump, etc., but still...... Not to mention that my 996 has been flat bedded into the shop more times than I can remember. I know it's too late but I wish I could have my Japanese cars back......
My mom has an '01 XKR that she's owned since new. The only issues she's had in 70k miles is:
floor mats disintegrate
headliner sag
wood trim cracked & discolored - replaced under warranty
I mashed the oil cooler into the ground
windows don't always return to their proper position (similar to 996)
I have been trying to talk her into the new timing chain tensioners, which she hasn't done. It seems to be the only true part of the car that needs to be upgraded. The newer cars obviously don't need the upgrade, so I assume that they are even better than hers.
For the price they can be had at, it's a great car
oh, said oil cooler slaughtering
This thread is funny as I was just talking to my friend about this kind of thing.
He was explaining to me that he wasn�t going to buy the car he was looking at as there is a potential fault that can occur which cost �600 to fix.
I explained the whole IMS legend to him and the cost of a new engine and it gave him a new view on his future purchase
But as said earlier its all relative
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What are you guys doing to your 996 to make it so expensive to maintain and/or keep around? I've owned mine for almost seven years now and it only seems to need a few hundred dollars in maintenance per year. Oil change costs $50-100 once a year...flush coolant and clean radiators every two years is a few hundred bucks...flush brake fluid is a hundred bucks or so. Hood latch broke a few months ago but got a replacement for $25 from eBay and installed it myself in about five minutes.
Maybe I've lost perspective, but what things am I missing or should be going wrong that should cost more than $450 on a regular basis? I think that's what my indy mechanic charges per year to keep my car maintained. These are very reliable cars--last I heard from Riad on his C4S, he had 140k miles on it and the only problem he'd ever had was the cracked coolant tank.
It's funny to me, when I take my Honda to the dealership at 8am, I get the 10am call from the service advisor with the summary of things we are looking at, and he is almost apologetic and hesitant when discussing the cost, and internally, I am thinking whoa, what a deal, as I was expecting a lot more - based on similar patterns when dropping off my Mercedes or 911.
In my case, it's not any repairs or preventative maintenance that's draining my wallet but rather the optional mods that never seem to end. Unfortunately, most of the mods have that heavy Porsche tax involved.
I cry everytime I see a Mopar catalog. Where else can you get brand new cams for like $350 or so.
Mine has been great until last year when I decided to replace the clutch, suspension, add the IMSB and seal up some leaks.
On an ordinary car those repairs would have maybe been in the low $1000s but on this one I could have bought a used car for the price I put into it.
Aside from that and the surprise alternator replacement the first time out on a track this car has been pretty reliable especially considering it's a daily driver and has it's fun on the track.
I've had my 57K mile 2003 996 for only 6 weeks now and it's going in for a new water pump and thermostat on Monday, already needed a new headlight switch, did a bunch of basic maintenance (plugs, coils, belt, oil) and it will still need a tiptronic tranny flush, LN IMS and RMS. To put it into perspective, the Porsche is costing me more to maintain than my small two seat sport airplane. But, at least I don't own a Jag!
I never expected my trans to take a dump at around 65K miles....or the diff to have problems. Everything else was pretty much routine maintenance. I bought the car used at 57K miles on it and soon after the clutch crapped out....hence...added IMS fix, and water pump was leaking...tack that one....AOS, the valve cover is still leaking. I have not gotten to that yet and the oil fill tube is cracked held together with duct tape.
If I'd exclude all the preventive maintenance I've spent on the car, it's cost only a few hundred a year.
(But that would be too easy, so I screw it up with preventive maintenance..... Like the old saying, "If it ain't broke, keep fixing it 'till it is.)
I suppose it is all relative. My C4S and our Cayenne have been very reliable vehicles. They rarely have issues (although my C4S had a dead battery when I returned to the Denver airport earlier this week after 4 days on the road!). The C4S is generally getting more expensive each year that I've owned it, but that's expected for a car with ~121K on the odometer. The beauty of it is that I don't have a car payment. I could sell it and buy a new C4S, eliminating my maintenance costs for the next few years. The downside of that option is a car payment.
Here's what the C4S has cost me over the last few years (including new tires and wear items as appropriate):
2007: $2,394.45
2008: $2,133.28
2009: $3,034.86
2010: $1,470.34
2011: $5,585.66
2012: $6,815.43
2013: $ 263.38 so far
It's not cheap, but it's worth it to me!
Yeah, I can't imagine paying $600 for an oil change when you can do it yourself for about $80. I'd never be able to afford to drive a Porsche if I relied on the dealer to do anything. Just did the 90k major maintenance on my 986S, which set me back about $200 in fluids and misc parts; I don't even want to think about what the dealer would charge for that!
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