Driving in the city with spoiler up, COOL OR WEAK?

So I seen couple "kids" driving with their spoiler up in the city, is this passe in the porsche crowrd? Or is there a reason for doing that?

No reason whatsoever.......just to pose

Its for **** jockeys. Dont do it.

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You downunder guys have a way with words

it's age dependent <35 COOL 36> WEAK

W T F is a **** jockey? haha. And don't say someone who puts his spoiler out at 5mph in the city. I think we call them Dick Heads in the UK. So it's ok to have a fixed spoiler on your car to pose through the city but not to push the button by your left foot and pose that way... I don't know about you young modifying fellows.

Don't do it...

" **** Jockey!" (ROFLMAO).... is that like a **** Rider? (LOL) Man that's funny... I'm gonna steal if for sure!

So what does that make all the owners who have put fixed wings/spoilers on their cars?

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No worries, we still remain in the ultra- category.

I cant believe people havent heard that term before... lol From the Urban Dictionary "Someone who bounces up and down on a ***** with similar enthusiasm of that of a jockey riding a horse".

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This forum gets more interesting by the post...**** jockey - too funny. I saw this term thrown around in a couple threads last night and wondered what it meant. I guess I'm with the 36+ crowd on the spoiler in the city, both because spoiler up in city is just posing...and because I am over 36.

First, "**** Jockey" ...AWESOME! Well played, sir. Second, it's your/their car, do whatever the eff you want to do with it, but as a personal preference not anything I would do with mine.

To get a little more scientific about the issue. Can a Durametric read the engine compartment temp? If so has anyone taken the readings with the spoiler in the up and down positions?

Do you think I should get a personalized plate..."**** JOC?"

Driving with a group on some great NC mountain roads, we experimented with keeping the spoiler up at high rpms, but relatively low speeds. Definitely had a positive effect on the temp gauge readings.

^^That's my experience as well^^

Go ahead and put it up...just know that the rest of us are laughing at you

Depends on the city.

dude, so lame

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Cool. Now we're getting somewhere. I am interested if anyone has bother to look at the durametric readings. Anyone?

Doesn't he thermostat keep the temperature of the coolant itself pretty much constant and isn't each gauge going to show a different needle position given otherwise the same coolant temperatures? Underhood air temperatures are the question. As far as being cool in terms of attitude versus temperature. It's kind of like plastering extra badges and labels all over the back of your car. Would you seriously even consider this?

It serves no purpose, but it doesn't result in babies being punched either. To each his own. Personally I like doing it the old fashion way...

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Only if you look like one of these guys.

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It all depends on how fast they were driving in the city.

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hated it!

LMAO! wow **** Jockey's prob the FUNNIEST word i've ever heard. Easily using that - or the short hand **** Jock

Weak. Act like you've done this before.

I say whatever floats your boat. I happen to like the look of the fixed spoiler (e.g., on the Turbo) but I don't think raising the mechanized spoiler has the same visual impact. It looks like someone raised a spoiler that's typically down at low speed. Plenty of people like fog lights for aesthetics over practicality, too. I'd say the same is even true of Xenon headlights -- which is why you see so many kids in Hondas with those annoying "ion blue" bulbs. -Eric

Two Snaps!

On my Turbo I like the spoiler exactly where it is! ...wrapped in a towel on a shelf in my garage. It will find its way back on the car when it goes up for sale.

I read an article in a Porsche magazine that indicated that, in a 964, air flow to the engine increased significantly (40% or so if I remember correctly) with the spoiler extended. It obviously serves some purpose other than necessary downforce at highway speeds. Maybe someone else here read the article and can locate it; I think it was in a European Porsche magazine where it compared each generation to the new 991 and the statistic was in the paragraphs where the 964 was discussed.

Maybe it was broke and he couldnt afford to fix it. Guess im a CJ. Mine is up all the time

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Disagree. I fall under the first demographic and it is super dorky to drive around with the wing up. If the car wants the wing up, it will put it up when it feels like it.

WEAK!. "But then so is never hearing the expression **** jockey". Get back under your rocks before someone burgles your back door.

I had no idea what a loser I was until I read this thread. For the record, under 35, and only put it up rarely, but my wife thinks it looks better that way and I try to keep her happy. I certainly don't think it has any impact on the city driving experience. Now if you'll excuse me, I think Ryan Seacrest is about to give away Ke$ha tickets.

There really isn't anything attractive about the rubber accordian underside of the spoiler - why show it when you don't have to? Unless, of course, you are an *** clown!

goofy

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Ironic

It really isn't much of a spoiler when you really look at it. I guess from just the right angle it might look impressive but realistically, considering its length and girth, there's just not much to brag about. Even when fully extended. Maybe it's just always cold outside when I check mine out.

Gads an engine radiant heat will be able to be released faster with the spoiler up since the compartment won't be as confined. But I have no idea of considerations of 911 airflow in the compartment that deals with any ideas of cooling going on if in fact they do have it worked out to facilitate the engine exterior cooling of the compartment. But the less stuff there is in close proximity to the engine the more radiant heat it will expel.

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I let the spoiler go up and down by itself - I never use the switch. I think the car looks better with the wing down.

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LOL. Cheesy old tramp pops outs and starts playing it too.

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Ooohhh! That why he's called Hurdigurdiman. He plays the accordian!

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+996

I use the switch all the time. When I wash the car.

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+1. I have never used the switch.

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Yup! Just like Hurley Hayward says to do on the VHS new owner video!

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In that video Hurley also says to close the front trunk by putting your hand on the Porsche emblem , which Excellence recently said was incorrect.

Wow a topic I can't believe made it to four pages... I let my wing go up and down on it's own but if someone is in town with it up, I don't think of them any differently. Porsche put a button there so we have a choice. I personally like the wing up and would actually prefer a fixed wing (along with an entire aero kit) on my car. But since to me it's cosmetic I'd rather spend the cash on something else. To the OP, do as you wish! Whatever makes you happy.

Personally, I prefer the clean lines of the car with the wing down. But then I also don't like fixed wings on narrow-bodied cars that much either - especially huge whale-tails on narrow air-cooled cars. Still...each to his own!

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It's a spoiler, not a wing. Zero downforce. It's job is to create turbulence at the back of the car to prevent lift. Sorry... pet peeve

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Don't be sorry Bruce. Right is right, wrong is wrong. Guys that drive with the spolier might not care about the difference but it's good to have the facts straight.

Mine only rises when its heartbeat BPM goes up? Is this normal or is my IMSB on its way out?.

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NEVER? Don't believe you. Bet you pushed it in the garage to see if it actually worked. How do we know it even comes out at 75mph? I sure as hell can't see mine when I am driving. Actually I do know mine works but it took me a year to find that out. I raced passed my wife and sister in law who were in another vehicle on the way to a restaurant last Saturday and she told me she saw the spoiler come out at over 75mph. She couldn't tell me at what speed it returned to closed position though. I was waiting for them on the car park at the restaurant. Now I can see all you cab drivers holding a hand mirror up over your heads as you drive to check on the spoiler. And the guy in the car following saying "Theres one of them **** jockeys doing his makeup" haha

Up at 73mph (78 on my speedo) and back down at 37mph.

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Can't say this is true in all cases, but some Porsche owners have expressed concerns about leaving a high speed section of road going onto a slow(er) speed section of road and getting pulled over because the spoiler was up. I have to admit after I first got my Boxster when driving down the highway in areas of the country one can after driving on a section of road with a speed limit that can have the spoiler up then encounter a section of road posted below the speed at which the spoiler comes up (and higher than which it goes down) and some of those towns look like they could harbor a traffic enforcement officer that could use the spoiler up as a 'sign' you've been speeding. Never got pulled over though because of the spoiler and I don't pay it mind. However, I don't raise it manually either. If someone wants to drive his Porsche around with the spoiler raised using the switch and leave it that way, that's his business. Oh, I will add that for the water cooled cars there might be some engine compartment cooling benefit and for air cooled cars there might be some engine cooling advantage, but I no data indicating there is any advantage. And with my Boxster whether the spoiler is up or down can have zero impact on the engine compartment's temperature. (When I owned an 06 GTO there was some talk about the air 'scoops' in the hood which were filled with some rubber things that blocked air flow through the scoop holes. I tested my GTO with these installed and removed and didn't notice any coolant or intake air temp differences. So I reinstalled them and left them alone thereafter.) Sincerely, Macster.

I'm exact opposite. I wish there was the button could keep the spoiler down. If the COP knows Porsche then he will know how fast you were going due to the spoiler. Having the manual up button is genious on Porsches Lawyers Part. "no Officer, I wasn't speeding....I had manually raised the spoiler with this button here......bzzzzzzzz.......see"

Personally I let it do it's own thing, but not trying to insult anyone, but some of the wings that are put on reg. cars look a little posser to me. I understand if you are turbo'd or GT3, seems like the wings should be earned. JMHO

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Oh crap, how am I supposed to close the bonnet then? Never had a car with so many do's and don'ts... someone school me on this new item!

My kid likes to raise the spoiler when we are driving around town. Works for me cuz it makes him happy. He also makes derisive comments about Corvettes. Bringing him up right.

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LOL!!!!! I've got Princess Stickers on my back right window and Lightning McQueen Stickers on the back left window.

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I can see mine when it goes up. Not that hard to see, actually. The switch came in handy over the weekend. I was on a driving tour and speeds fluctuated from 35mph to, well, let's say "spirited", repeatedly. I didn't want the spoiler constantly going up and down, so when I started the car I put it up manually and left it up until the next time the car was turned off. Outside of this one very particular case, I let it go up/down naturally, like other things in life. Cheers, FLi

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^^^I think it's more difficult to see the raised spoiler in the rearview mirror on a cab. than a coupe. I was in the habit for the longest time of raising the spoiler after driving the car to help with coolong. I'd also raise the spoiler during spirited drives to aid in cooling, although I don't have any hard evidence that a raised spoiler actually keeps the engine bay cooler. I guess I'm in the minority here in that I think the car looks good with the spoiler up. Of course, I also think it looks great with it down as well. As far as posing goes, to each his own...but the sharp responses by some here to the so-called posers is very puzzling to me.

I can't see the spoiler when its up, but I do make it a point to check out the car when I pass a nice shiny black pickup or panel van, just to be sure.

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I tend to do much the same. I check for my reflection from the windows of the Old Folks Home or the shiny side of the ice cream van stopped outside the school as I hurtle past at 75 plus MPH hahaha.

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Yeah, you can't see it very easily in a Cab but it's pretty obvious Ina coupe.

I am of the opinion that the raised spoiler does spoil the look of the car, but if it does help cooling the engine better, I wouldn't mind raising it. Some day I'll have a nice GT2 wing installed and with sport exhausts.. then I'll be proud to be labeled a showoff :P

I recently purchased an 02 996 C4 Cab and the owner I bought the car from did not even know there was a switch to manually control the rear spoiler.

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I'm sure it was nice and clean under that spoiler!

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Awesome! A couple of weekends ago, I blipped the gas while we were going under a bridge with the top down. My son (5) immediately exclaimed, "That's what I'm talking about!" It was confirmation that I've done something right. -Eric

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seats on most cars are on a ramp... the idea is if your legs are long, the rest of you is too. My legs are not long, but the rest of me is, so I get to see when Paulina gets a woodie from going 75+

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Hurdy...us Cabbies are too busy worrying about our hair to mess with our make up! BTW, are you using a hand mirror to make sure none of your new lettering has fallen off on the freeway?

Sometimes I drive around town with my spoiler up, but I use the button in the bottom right of the floorboard rather than the left.

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Well, either you have a possible problem with paranoia or you are driving way too fast in areas where you shouldn't. When I am going down the road at 75mph and the spoiler is up then enter say a 55mph zone with the spoiler up I give it no mind. (As I touched upon above at first, my first few drives with my first Porsche, I kind of thought about this but nothing bad happened and I soon forgot about it.) If I were to get pulled over and the argument was based on the spoiler being up I would simply point out that it doesn't go down until the car's speed drops below 50mph (Boxster) or 40mph (Turbo) or something close to those speeds and the car had not yet encountered those lower speeds after leaving a section of road posted at a higher speed. In short I'd tell the officer the spoiler was up because I had previously been running at a legal speed, a speed at which it supposed to be up. Besides when one is getting pulled over one's vehicle speed drops and the spoiler goes down. In the meantime the officer is busy with preparing for the stop so the last thing on his mind is ohh the spoiler was up which means the car at some point was going 75mph (or some few miles less since as I mentioned before the spoiler goes up a few mph short of the advertised speed). (I can tell you that leaving the engine idling -- not supposed to turn off the Turbo engine right away, but let it idle 2 minutes to give the Turbo's a chance to shed some heat -- will upset the officer more than the spoiler being up. The officer thinks I'm planning on running away as soon as he gets out of the car. I always tell the officer I'm not going to run if he says anything and that I'm not supposed to shut off the engine right away and sometimes that's that other times if he objects in any way I shut it off.) Anyhow, officers have pulled me over for other reasons ... typically being clocked with a radar... though in one case because I failed to use my car's turn signals (warning) or in another case the officer thought I was speeding (no method of speeding determination was listed on the ticket) which means the ticket was just bogus, which it was as the officer never bothered to appear and the court dismiessed the ticket. Now one could argue a bit that I got pulled over because the spoiler was up -- I was driving ini a 65mph zone (where many cars drive 5mph or even 10mph over and don't get pulled over) but the officer never mentioned the spoiler, only that he had spotted my lane changing (frequent but not agressive or dangerous -- BTW, using a turn signal just signals a following officer "hey pull me over" which is why pro speeders counsel against using the turn signal when speeding/lane changing...) from the distance and decided to pull me over for 'speeding'. Now if you are in the habit of driving in such a way at such high speeds that the spoiler goes up due to you exceeding the legal speed limit where you live or drive... You have a bigger problem than not being able to control the spoiler for fear it will rat you out to the police you've been driving like a raving maniac. Sincerely, Macster.

Definitely up. Especially when you're going through the McDonalds drive up hitting the gas and saying you can't hear the attendant!!! That is the coolest!

Hurdy, have you thought of adding some lettering to the area that can only be seen when the spoiler goes up (i.e., at 75mph)? Something like "Buh-bye" or "Seeya!"

Does anyone have any data on the cooling of the engine compartment?

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Yes. After running for a while it's hot in the engine compartment. After it has been sitting for a few hours, it's not as hot. Just let the spoiler and cooling fans do their thing. That's how it was designed.

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Thats a great idea lol. A few English sayings. "Bollux" springs to mind. "Up Yours" or "Suck my plumbs" "Kiss my RRs" I am open to more suggestions.

"Falling IMS Bits and Oil. Do not follow"

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LOL

This thread has me rolling.. Over the pass two months I've been trying to diagnose why the spoiler doesn't work after owning the car for over a year. Came to the conclusion after slowly checking everything (after noticing it goes up at speeds from reflections) on the car that the original owner wore out the button!!! Eventually I will replace the electronic contraption on my Boxster in a couple weeks or so but no rush because i spend more time hitting the Sport button and not the Spoiler button! To each his own. Glad they made it but I don't use it. I am over 35 though

Prior to owning a Porsche and when I had the oppurtunity to be behind a Porcsche on the highway - I thought it was way cool when the spoiler would rise when going by me and lower coming off the highway as the car slowed down. To me - it meant it was actually doing something unlike a poser fixed wing on a Camry sport or some other non sport car with the "sport package". The mechanical spoiler on the Porsche was yet another reason I had to have one....

Everytime I see the wing deploy on the track.... its eye candy. But afterawhile, all the up and down kinda reminds me of.... well, **** jockeys.

if you put it up with the switch doesnt it just go down anyway once you have passed 37 MPH then gone below? (mine is up in my avatar cuz i just got done washing her )

Saw the car again yesterday parked downtown and his spoiler was still up, maybe it is broken. should have taken a picture and post it here. damn...

Every once in a while I raise it on the way to the carwash so they can get the bellows clean and get any leaves, etc out of the creases. It seems to stay up for a few cycles before going back down, cause sometimes it's still up when I get home (about 2 ignition cycles or so). If anyone were to see me with it in the up position at low speed, I'm certain I could give a **** less about their opinion

I never really thought of it from a cosmetic standpoint. Cool either way, I guess. But many years ago I read that the engine cooled better with the spoiler up. Might be a myth. but on ultra hot day/drives in th city I raise it when I remember to do so. The funny thing is that it is up in the picture (left) that was used by the person who sold the car to me. So on some level, I guess it looks fine with the spolier up.

I was stopped at a red light when some teenagers stopped behind me. I noticed the passenger pointing at my car and making an 'up and down' gesture by putting his hands together and lifting his top hand up and down while talking to the driver. **** jockey to the rescue!

Just ran into the kid who bought my 996 and stopped to chat for a bit. He had the spoiler up and said he never puts it down Sort of matched the horrible rims he put on the car, the tints, and "de boomin system". Ah... youth.

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I remember seeing "Are U Wet Yet?" on a spoiler when I lived near Philly. My initial thought was, "What a way to ruin a beautiful car!" Once I saw the driver, I needed no further explanation. he was def **** Jockey material... LMAO

I went on a 300km drive today from Vancouver to Pemberton, via Whistler. Nice mountain roads and engine rpms were never below 3000. Air conditioning off, all "manuell", the coolant temperature gauge was in the middle of the 0 (180). I raised the spoiler and within minutes the gauge was in the middle of the '8'. So from now on, I am driving with the spoiler up on warm days. And that ain't no **** jockey yarn...

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