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I think he used a little hyperbole comparing to a stock c2, but so what..
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Means nothing, meanwhile, professional racers adjust their wings to just to get that little edge over the next car, we know that's only for show what's another .2 seconds off their lap time?
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Means nothing, meanwhile, professional racers adjust their wings to just to get that little edge over the next car, we know that's only for show what's another .2 seconds off their lap time?
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that result is actually prety good, even though you didnt run a base, you def picked up at least 25hp based on manf specs!
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Means nothing, meanwhile, professional racers adjust their wings to just to get that little edge over the next car, we know that's only for show what's another .2 seconds off their lap time?
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Had the car ('03 C2) on the Dyno yesterday to see what it's putting down after installing the following mods:
EVOMS Intake
RSS Plenum
Maxspeed Headers & 200 Cell Cat's
Cargraphic Exhaust
Revo Stage 2 Software
The car sounds like a beast (real LOUD) and feels much faster on the top end.
So if I reading it right, it seems like you picked up +5 hp and maybe about +14 of torque
Here's the manufacturers data
320 hp @ 6,800 rpm
TORQUE 273 lb-ft @ 4,250 rpm
prob is PAG doesn't really have the most accurate dyno numbers. still nice to see where the car is and that +25 over claims is great! still need a baseline to see where you were actually before the mods.
again to dell's point, this is typical internet goo goo gah gah bs.
thx for sharing, but without a baseline same day same conditions before after mods runs... it's just a ballpark figure so if a bone stock carrera runs as fast as you i really wouldn't be surprised.
I am amazed how so many dyno operators somehow know exactly what the loss ratio is of the drivetrain and are able to accurately translate their, otherwise questionable chasis dyno numbers into the exact hp of the engine. They are just amazing people.
c'mon guys, I know you can fudge instruments, i do it all the time (Im an instrumentation/control engineer), but to say that without a base, the dyno means nothing... yes to a point. But, even with the base dyno you can still fudge the outcome... hell, why not fudge the base and the outcome.
Hi guys,
Thanks for your comments. The mods were done in stages, not all at once and I did not do a dyno when it was bone stock. I did this dyno more to to make sure the air/fuel is within reason based on these mods. According to the technician it is.
I want to see the actual whp numbers.
These are *estimated* hp numbers with some ratio that determines flywheel hp based on what is *actually* measured (whp). What are the whp numbers?
At least we can compare to the average range of measured whp for stock carreras.
I believe the mods do make a difference and increase the hp, but it would be nice to see an actual whp graph.
where do these people come from?
look dude, as an example , if an Audi A6 2.7T or 4.2 one of those heavy **** sedans just put the pedal to the metal on me and i try to catch up with it at hwy speeds...or from a slow speed roll from the jump they got, it'll take a me long enough to feel like it's no piece of cake to out gun these commuter cars unless i'm seriously packing the hp/tq like a viper or vette.
any car that runs a 0-60mph under 6.0 seconds is a pretty damn speedy car where you won't feel so superior speed wise on these restricted, public roads of ours (for good reason).
now if we take it to your example where there just *might* be a 10hp at the wheels diff in power... aka negligible, nominal bump .. how the hell do you expect to be eating up another carrera?
i know you get a lot of props for your head turning 911 (i even gave you props in your other thread), but let's keep it real here:
1) you have a replica techart kit
2) you run cheap 18" wheels
3) you run a replica techart kit with a design signature "written" up for widebody 911s
so you coming in here with dyno charts and 25hp WTF@$!$#!% is -->
^ What's the point in making negative comments about his car? I think he used a little hyperbole comparing to a stock c2, but so what.. I'm sure everyone is interested in what the actual whp measurement was. If he put down around 280whp, that would be very impressive and probably means ~15whp or so. As it is we are just looking at an estimated hp graph, but I'm sure he can get the whp graph to show us.
One thing's for sure, I'm sure his car sounds great and feels faster.
True on public roads the performance difference will not be much due to the obvious limitations...but put my car on a track against any bone stock C2...let's see who ends up ahead (remember I have more power and better handling (coilovers).
What basis do you use for referring to my 3 piece forged wheels as cheap?
Why the rant is about my "replica kit"?
Because he has Internet Tourette's*. He just can't help himself. Or he was raised wrong. Or he's an ***. Take your pick. That's Ben.
* credit Nicolaas for this coinage.
Don't waste your key strokes! Everyone knows mods don't work! 10whp between cars translates to only .2 tenths on a 1/4 mile track which is only about 1.5 car lengths or so at the trap. This means nothing to these folks. Remember, you're on a board compiled with professionaly paid road course racers who shrug off beating someone around a road course with anything less that 20 seconds differnce on the stopwatch. Beating someone in a road course race by .2 is a tie in the real racing world, right fellas? 10whp ha! Means nothing, meanwhile, professional racers adjust their wings to just to get that little edge over the next car, we know that's only for show what's another .2 seconds off their lap time?
tenths mean EVERYTHING on a road course. try it sand you'll see what i mean. when you are in competition with similar cars, similar driving skills, any little thing that can eek out more power, better handling, better aero, etc will gain you seconds by the end of the race. i do agree that it's not worth it for the 1/4 but that's not racing anyway
. remember 0.2 seconds over 5 laps is a full second. is that insignificant?
wait a minute, were you being sarcastic? i couldn't tell.
congrats on the numbers...any increase is a plus. horsepower aint **** without torque...torque gets ya moving then the HP takes over. all these parts makers BS there adds anyway. the best part of these cars is how hard and fast you can enter and exit the twisties !! awesome looking car and again congrats
FYI, yesterday I saw 3 dyno pull charts for a brand new 997 GT3 RS (around 2-3K miles on it now). Car is bone stock. They were each a couple HP short of 380. So your 320+ is pretty good in my book.
-td
Bottom line is that you feel the difference and the investment of parts was worth just that.
I know it is very costly to gain much (to many not worth the $) but GREAT fun to add a little here and there as the sickness takes a hold.
Hard to ever get a true before and after with all the mods done at the same time due to this.
Man, I gotta say - I LOVE the look of your car with those wheels.
It just looks so purposeful and mean. What kind of wheels are those, and how much were they?
EDIT: oh, nvrmind, you listed them in your sig..
El Torrente, thanks. My old wheels were similar to yours. I bought these off ebay for about $1,750. I had two refinished (powdercoated) since two were already powdercoated and two were anodized. That cost another $450. They have been my favorite mod to the car. I can't wait to get the aero kit installed. I was just reading a Porsche magazine last night that had a 993RS in red with black powdercoated wheels. It looked incredible.
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