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YOUR RESEARCHPoll: to PPI or not to PPI?
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The problem was the long list of things that weren't really warranty items and weren't car-stoppers (aside from the clutch).
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In my case, it wasn't a lemon they sold me; the car turned out to be mechanically strong.
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My indy's report (I had it inspected after I bought it, because I sobered up) was several pages long, almost like a home inspection.
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I'm handy enough to be able to check for leaks, body issues, brake life, etc.
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I've purchased a few cars long distance like this (including my current car) and it has worked out great.
Faced with the following scenario, would you bother to get a PPI?
'01 996 w/39k. Transferable Porsche dealer extended warranty with 31k miles or 2+ years remaining. Checks out nicely on Carfax; jibes with what the owner is telling me. Originally a lease car driven for 3.5 years at 4,745/yr; sold at auction in Texas. Second owner - 5k miles in 2 yrs. Current (3rd) owner - 18k miles in 1.5 yrs.
Current owner bought it at a Porsche dealer and serviced it there; records are available. Clutch recently replaced under warranty.
I've driven enough of these to know how it should feel on the road. I'm handy enough to be able to check for leaks, body issues, brake life, etc. The dilemma really is finding the time to travel to the car's location (250 miles) on a weekday and coordinating that with a shop in the area for the PPI. Is the warranty enough to provide comfort? Am I just be lazy? Over-anxious?
PPI if a car is out of manuf. warranty....no questions. Besides you can either use it as a bargaining tool with price or for peace of mind that you bought a solid car.
One way to do this is to arrange for an inspection from your remote location (e.g., call the local Porsche dealer where the seller lives, make an appointment for a PPI, and ask the current owner to take it there).
I wouldn't even dream of not getting a PPI on one of these cars. I've had some half dozen or so P-cars in my lifetime and they have all been great other than one. The one that was a lemon was a car I did not get a PPI on. Don't be in such a hurry to not cross the "T's" and dot the "I's". Like was stated above the seller should be willing to take to his local dealer or indy so it's not much of a hassle for him and you pay for the inspection. I've purchased a few cars long distance like this (including my current car) and it has worked out great.
Mine still had 2 years of factory warranty and I still insisted on an independent PPI. It's chump change compared to the heartache and costs of finding a nasty surprise later on.
Any mechanical issues would be covered by the 4yr/50k warranty. Although there is some benefit to knowing about paint work or repaired body damage, which could turn up during a PPI. Where there are two warranties, I'd be less worried about mechanical issues and more concerned about "issues" not covered by the warranties.
I'm the poster boy for how not to buy a 996. I would do the PPI if I were you, ideally with a really good indy, and regardless of the warranty. Sometimes it's not about what's wrong, but about what might go wrong. And, in any case, there are lots of things that you might like to know that are a) Not warranty matters, and b) Not going to turn up on a Carfax. Peace of mind, baby. Rarely is it so cheap.
Exactly. In my case, it wasn't a lemon they sold me; the car turned out to be mechanically strong. The problem was the long list of things that weren't really warranty items and weren't car-stoppers (aside from the clutch). But WERE a PITA and not all cheap to fix. My indy's report (I had it inspected after I bought it, because I sobered up) was several pages long, almost like a home inspection. Incredibly useful.
my $.02 worth...if i was buying that same car directly from a p-car dealership i would not worry about the ppi...however, from a private owner absolutely. You do not know if the current owner might have done work to the car or even tinkered with performance up-grades that would would void the warranty.
perfect example...i have a friend who recently purchased a early 03 996 from a private party with a cpo. he has developed issues with the transmission and has just found out that the car's computer has been modified.....guess what porsche is now refusing to honor the warranty. he's in a big dispute now and has hired an attorney to see if he can after the seller for not disclosing the modifications done to the car. good luck.
Great idea on needing a pole, allows a man to gather his thoughts
IMHO, perfect form, nice feet extension, great head placement.
Get a PPI is my final vote. Is there any negatives that out weigh the positives? Minimize risk, get the most info you can prior to making decisions.
Damn I sound old
PPI = yes, if you dont know much about cars
PPI = no, save your money if you are mechanically inclined
My thoughts, PPI will NOT uncover:
Potential IMS failure
Potential sleeve failure
Potential cracked cylinder head
Potential intermix for whatever reason........all the things that takes these motors out..............
These cars are not from outer space.........they work just like any other car. Flame away.............
This is really "it all depends" situation. A certified car from a reputable Porsche dealer should be a safe bet without a PPI. A certified car or one with time on the original warranty might not need a PPI depending on how much you believe what the prior owner is telling you and how comfortable you are in evaluating a car on your own. Personally I probably would not bother.
Any car out of warranty or from a less than reputable source definitely needs a PPI.
My last four Porsches all fit in the Porsche warranty or CPO category and I never bothered with a PPI and never had any problems. I went over all of them myself though and asked lots of questions.
I saw plenty of CPO cars at Porsche dealers that were not all that the dealers made them out to be. Get the PPI! It cost me $280 and included a paint density check to make sure there were no repainted panels.
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