What reason(s) would an authorized Porsche dealer sell a low mileage 911 as non-CPO?

Found a 2000 911 cab at a nearby authorized Porsche dealer. The car has 22,000 miles and *appears* to be in outstanding shape. It is the color I'm looking for and is equipped just the way I want. I asked the sales rep if it was certified and she said no that their dealership rarely sells cars as certified due to the costs involved. She said they usually will sell a good 3rd party warranty at a lower cost that can offer as good or better coverage. The dealership is really small - they only have a few new Porsches in stock and only 2 used (this car and a Cayenne) cars. I'm not sure if this has anything to do with it but even though they are an authorized dealership they do seem rinky-dink. I'm trying to negotiate a god deal but I'm wondering if i should walk away since they don't seem to be interested in a Porsche CPO (something wrong with the car that might disqualify it?) . What other reasons might there be?

Why would they not certify the car if you were willing to pick up the cost....something is amiss!

It cannot be in an accident to qualify for CPO warranty....PLUS, not all dealers can certify a car, you have to go through a certain procedure to qualify....I have heard of dealers losing the right to certify a vehicle because they actually were not doing the certification, just pocketing the money and when something went wrong, sticking it to PCNA, when it should have been addressed before the customer purchased it. Tell them in no certain terms, you will pay the extra for the certification, you will not buy the car without it, and you are ready to but immediately...how much do I need to make the check out for...if they still wanna switch you to another warranty company, or wont certify it either they are shady, or something is wrong with the car that it will not pass certification, like a major accident.

AFAIK, CPO is an EXTENSION of an existing Porsche warranty. It will extend the original warranty to 100,000 miles or 6 years from the date of the first sale, whichever comes first. So this car, a MY 2000 would not be eligible for CPO for two very specific reasons. One, it is already out of warranty, and two, it is mostl likely already beyond 6 years from the date of the original first sale. Perfectly legitimate reasons as to why this oarticular car can not be CPO. Aftermarket waranty, OTOH, have no such restrictions. Anything can have a warranty, so long as the premiums are adjusted. That's why the dealer can sell you an aftermarket policy for this car. Check tomake sure you have all the service records, have a PPI done at anothet dealership, go over the car yourself to make sure it is something you want, then let the horse trading begin!!! G for it!

CPO and original warranty have different coverage and terms. Coolant expansion tank & battery for example are not CPO covered. To qualify for CPO, the original warranty does not have to be still in effect. The dealer make more money selling 3rd party warranty. Probly because of their size of used cars, they don't participate in CPO. I'm sure their tech has to be certified to do CPO and that costs money for dealer. If you are concerned with the condition, have it inspected. CPO inspection is a joke that doesn't even fix RMS. Dealers usually leave oil leaks without fixing it because they know it'll be fixed under warranty later. If they fix it now, they won't make any money and have to spend labor fixing something they can make money on.

Palting, A dealer can certify a car out of warranty but the cars cert warranty would end at 6 years from in service date.

Hmmmm.....my 99 C4 Cab just got off of CPO warranty....It would be 7 years in service...The car can be CPO'd...the only issue I know of is mileage, it must be under 50k. If its under warranty, it covers the car for up to 6 years from in service date and up to 100k, if its out of warranty, its covered for 2 years from sale and up to 100k miles. The coolant tank and battery were replaced under CPO warranty, as well as engine, exhaust manifold, various top pieces and seals, top latch, cooling fans etc....in fact, I never paid for a repair while it was under warranty, everything got covered, but the CPO Inspection is a joke....they missed a BUNCH of things on my car...like TIRES...I had a flat tire in less than 2 weeks...took it to get patched and they said it was illegal to patch a bald tire...BALD? Yup...Took it back to the dealer for four FREE Pirelli's...Here is a list of items covered and not covered.... The Porsche Approved Limited Warrany offers full peace of mind. Porsche Cars N.A. will repair or replace with a new part distributed by Porsche Cars N.A. any factory-installed part that is faulty in material or workmanship under normal use. Warranty coverage is Limited to the following components: Engine (engine block and all engine internal parts but excluding exhaust system) Cooling System Fuel System Electrical System Transmission Drive Train Suspension and Steering ABS Brake System Brake System Heater/ Air Conditioner The warranty does not cover: Wear and tear Emission Control Systems and Corrosion Abuse, accident, acts of nature, competition, racing, or track use or events beyond the manufactures control. Vehicles that have not been serviced in line with the manufacturer�s recommendations.

I don't know where you get your info, but that info isn't correct. CPO covers exactly the same thing as the original warrany, extended. I had RMS fixed under CPO just this spring. Cost = $0

Geez fellas.....let's cover this one more time. If the car is currently under warranty then you have your 4/50 turn into a 6/100 but the final 2/50 (CPO) is limited and does NOT cover the same items the full warranty does. If the car is NOT currently under warranty (like the 2000) then you CAN in fact CPO it and you get 2 years from that purchase date (NOT FROM THE ORIGINAL IN SERVICE DATE) and 100K total miles on the car. FYI....the CPO costs the dealer roughly $1500 plus cost to fix anything that would prevent it from passing CPO status. If a dealer would (or could) NOT give a car on the their lot CPO status I would NEVER consider the car. FYI2....this is all information you can get from the PCNA website (except for the dealer cost on the CPO).

Yes Dell, You are correct.

Dell, Shouldn't you change your name to NCDell???

Thx Dell...I think thats whay I said.....lol....

That's what I thought.....but the consensus 'round here was to keep it. https://rennlist.com/forums/996-forum/278364-opinions-on-new-user-name.html

According to the owner of a Porsche Dealership that I spoke with the cost of the CPO is $1,595... so offer to pay that and they should be willing to CPO the car. If not, agree with some of the other statements... run!

Truthfully, I never thought that LV stood for Las Vegas; I thought it meant 'Lateral Velocity'. ON TOPIC: I hear you Dell vis a vis the CPO, but depending on the dealer and if he likes you and what not, they will do a lot more under CPO warranty (i.e. - treat it more like a fully new warranty) than you think. All the more reason to maintain a good relationship.

Totally agree with that statement....this is also a good reason to talk to the service guys while buying the car...trust me it'll be there and get to be on a first name basis with them...most have Porsche's, find out what they own, what they like...and MOST of all...when the car is right, CALL AND THANK THEM.....They hear nothing but complaints and people wanting their car fixed right away, if you call and say, "I just wanted to thank you for taking car of my car today, it seems like all is well and I am enjoying it....Talk to you later." This goes a LONG way...like I said, all my repairs were done under warranty, including a few that were not supposed to be covered....I aloways make a point to do this when my car has been somewhere...it makes people happy to see you because they dont assume you are gonna bitch at them. Now if they do sometrhing wrong, tell them that too....but make it even..if its right let them know....Back to this topic, if they wont certify the car, find another one...there are too many great CPO cars out there and if its a rinky dink dealer, imagine how the service will be when something does go wrong. I am a firm believer is take your car to one dealer for service if at all possible and preferably the one you bought it from. This will give you more weight and they will try and take care of you better than just a guy in off the street with a warraty repair...they have no reason to extend you any other kindness other than what they are recquired to do....

I asked the sales rep if it was certified and she said no that their dealership rarely sells cars as certified due to the costs involved. She said they usually will sell a good 3rd party warranty at a lower cost that can offer as good or better coverage. If BS were gold, most Dealers would be billionares.

Agreed - they are giving you a line of BS and I would find another dealer. Also, CPO cars normally sell for 3k to 5k more than a non CPO car, so why would they not invest the $1 to $1.5k and get an even greater return on their investment. Additionally, I would not trust this dealership to do any work or give you straight talk if you need maintenance at a later date.

I guess that would explain my experience. Truth is, I never got a lisitng of what's covered and what's not on my CPO. I leased the car brand new from the dealership, then bought it from them CPO at the end of the lease. Cost me an additional $1500, the actual dealer cost. I was TOLD by the dealership that CPO is exactly the same as the original, just extended, and that's exactly how it is stated in my bill of sale. I guess whatever is not covered in the real CPO they cover as goodwill. So far, they have been true to ther word. I would be one pissed MF if they didn't.

Good one Edward! I like that interpretation As for my response to the CPO, I totally concur. My response was a black and white response so everybody understood EXACTLY what it is and isn't. Anything outside the CPO covered items would be classified as "Good Will" and each dealer as a budget of how much good will they will give out in a budget year. If you are one of the better one's, then you get a better piece of that pie!

I had two similar situations and decided to pass on both cars. During the winter I looked at a 2000 coupe, with only 13k miles that the dealer refused to CPO. Car looked new. Then last week I test drove a 2000 cab with 55k miles, original warranty was expired, dealer first told me, they would reduce price by $2k and I should get an aftermarket warranty. After dealer told me aftermarket warranty would be about $5k, they suggest they would CPO and do the 60k service, but they would now ADD $4k to the price($6k to the $2k discount they originally offer) I could tell just by looking that the car need brake pads and rotors. The car drove great, was very tight, didn't feel like it had 55k miles, no sqeaks or rattles at all, but for that price, I could buy an 02, which I decided to wait for.

FWIW, I bought a 99 C4 Cab WITH the certification at below blue book from a dealer. I just started negotiating and told them that we are talking WITH CPO warranty....they just kept saying ok...til we got to a price we all agreed on, and I reminded them it was with the CPO warranty, they again agreed, and I got the car...Complete warranty packet with Porsch Roadsided assistance came in the mail.

for at least a price estimate for what it would be with a real CPO warranty. If they refuse or give me a ridiculous price I will walk. Bt the way, the dealer is 2 1/2 hours away so it is unlikley I will be using them for service. Any warranty (third party or otherwise) would have to apply to my local Porsche dealer.

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My car is CPO and it was in an accident. I called PCNA to make sure car was covered, and they stated that if it was sold with the warranty by the dealer, then it was good. All dealers are crooks to some degree.

Then I would call your local Porsche dealer and make sure they accept the warranty. Some dealer swill not accept all warraties and make you pay for the repair and you will have to get reimbursed, minus your deductable...a pain...Again, CPO is accepted by all Porsche dealers, no questions asked.