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They're still making most of the other normal sizes, but they replaced the WS-60 with the WS70 recently.
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I'm running Blizzak LM-60s on all four corners in the OEM sizing (225 front / 265 rear) on 18" replica BBS Carrera wheels (daily driver).
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This year, I'm using Pirelli Winter SnowSport 240s.
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I used a set of Blizzaks on my C4S for four winters.
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I think that if you drive on mostly packed snow or fresh snow, then the Blizzak is probably a better choice.
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I just got off with tire rack; they recommended the following:
-Sports edition cup 4; 18 inch wheels. 225 on front and 265 on rears
-Bridgestone Blizzak LM32 on front; LM 60 on read
-$1,695 for the set
My only quesiton comes around the wheels - are they ok? And is it ok to mix LM32 with LM60?
This is for a 2005 911 C4S
thanks!
Cannot comment on the Blizzak match, but I had done research on those wheels a while back and read a lot of good stuff. If I did not come upon an OEM set quickly I was going in that direction.
I used a set of Blizzaks on my C4S for four winters. They perform well in snow, but they leave quite a bit to be desired on cold, dry pavement. This year, I'm using Pirelli Winter SnowSport 240s. They are a dramatic improvement.
I bought Vrdenstein Wintrac Extreme in my C2 OEM tire sizes from Waukegan Tire online. Really good tires, I like the ride better than the Sumitomo HTR tires that I removed.
Michelin Alpin's. Check the videos on YouTube vs another brand. Not sure if it's staged but there are several from different testers. Worth a look to see P-cars having fun in the snow.
Depends on your climate. The LM32's are great in cincinnati because we get very little snow and so having a harder compound snow tire saves tread life. If you got the "softer" blizzaks, you wouldn't get much benefit out of them in an ohio like winter. If you are michigan, maine, etc, then an upgrade to the softer blizzaks is worth it.
I had Blizzaks and loved them (I agree dry pavement, you know these are snow tires) but in the snow, wow!
I wanted to stick with the Blizzak but they stopped the sizes I need. The option I have is the 240's, but have read not great in the snow. You say dramatic improvement, please elaborate, would greatly appreciate your input
I've put close to 2,000 miles on the Pirellis so far. I'm very happy with them. That being said, most of my winter driving is on cold dry pavement but with snow and slush sometimes too. In Colorado, snow typically only lasts on the road for a week or less, and then we're back to cold, dry roads.
I find that the Pirellis feel like a high performance all-season tire. They definitely don't feel like my summer Michelin PS2s, but they don't have the "squishiness" of the Blizzaks. That being said, they do lack in the snow compared to the Blizzaks. I don't feel that they are unsafe or that I'm making a huge compromise, but they are different. The Pirellis will break loose a little bit sooner than the Blizzaks in braking, cornering and accelerating. I'm not as confident on the Pirellis on a curvy, snow-packed or icy road as I was on the Blizzaks. This may change as I get used to them, but I'm not there yet.
We'll see how well they hold up. One thing to note about Blizzaks is that their amazing abilities in snow seem to wear off much faster than the overall tread wears. They're great for the first season or two, then they lose their magic.
I think that if you drive on mostly packed snow or fresh snow, then the Blizzak is probably a better choice. For driving in mixed conditions, I'll take the Pirelli.
I was thinking about this thread when I drove to work this morning, so here's a little more feedback. We had about 6 inches of snow on Saturday. The roads were plowed Saturday afternoon. We had about 2 inches of snow yesterday on top of the previously plowed road, and they were not plowed again. It was approximately -5 F last night. This morning, it's sunny and 20 F. The road out of my neighborhood is a curvy mountain road, but relatively flat. It had a combination of packed snow, some areas of slush and some glazed over areas that looked like ice.
I pushed the car a little bit more than I normally would to try to get more of a feeling for the tires. I didn't push it hard - obviously I don't want to end up in the ditch - but I did drive slightly faster than I normally do. I found that these tires will break loose entering a corner without much difficulty in the conditions I described. This was particularly true when entering a curve from hard packed snow to the slush that you typically see as you enter a curve. While this can be a little unsettling at first, I found that the car always "caught itself" and regained traction before PSM was activated.
Ultimately, these tires don't give you that rock solid, stable feeling that Blizzaks give you in the snow. Once you learn their handling and grip charasteristics though, I feel that they are very manageable in snow and ice.
I hope this helps.
That helps very much, greatly appreciate your detailed answers. The Sottozero are not a cheap tire, and what I have read, and what your have said does not really tempt me.
The new tire our now that sound very interesting is the Pilot PA4.
The blizzaks stopped making the size that I need for my car that they are going on. So now the only blizzak option I have is old stock (if I can find them) or LM32 on the back and LM60 on the front (I don't want to mix tires, especially brand new tires)
I'm not sure what other options are available to consider. We are running Michelin Latitude Alpin tires on our Cayenne. They are fantastic in snow - very much like blizzaks. Obviously the handling dynamics of the Cayenne are very different than the 911, but the tires are still worth mention. They provide excellent traction and when I drive the Cayenne on the same road that I described above, they don't seem to lose traction at all.
I'm running Blizzak LM-60s on all four corners in the OEM sizing (225 front / 265 rear) on 18" replica BBS Carrera wheels (daily driver). Couldn't be happier. Other winter/snow tires might offer better cold, dry road performance, but I put on snow tires for the Winter to get me home during a storm.
Last I checked, they don't make the LM-60 in the front size anymore. So, next year I was planning to do exactly what Tire Rack suggested to the OP.
When I lived in Indiana, the Blizzaks made more sense. The roads were flat and straight, and there was lots of snow pack. In the Colorado mountains, the Pirellis make more sense.
Is Blizzak making a replacement for the LM-60, or just discontinuing it?
Can't argue with that. The LM-60s are aggressive to gain the better snow pack traction, which of course makes them louder. Something to keep in mind depending on commute length.
They're still making most of the other normal sizes, but they replaced the WS-60 with the WS70 recently. So, I wouldn't be surprised if the LM-60 was due.
I agree with everything Dennis C says.
I have about 2000 miles on the Pirelli Winter SnowSports and they act exactly as he reports. I like them a lot.
Just have to know your limitations or at least your tire's.
Cheers
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