Frightening Experience..

So there I come risking my life with over 10 hours of flight all the way from Lagos to Dubai to find am even faced with more danger: Fadi decides to take the '02-C4S-6sp out and there we meet with Khaled in his '02-C4-tip and there they start the battle of the titans.. The cars happen to be equally performant and we really couldnt find an advantage in one over the other.. Just that Khaled manages somehow to launch the C4 in the most admiring way (from 100km/hr starts), I've only seen high end bikes launch so fast it's so funny when you see it from the other car.. The tip also is advantageous at high speeds and gear changes but the C4S has its edge on being more flexible in gear change.. All was well and controlled till they both decided to race-exit a service lane with quite a big radius and long stretch,,, it happened at 180km/hr and we really sensed the C4S (i was in it that time) had reached its optimum grip in lateral cornering, over 20 seconds of near 1g lateral grip made me lose my senses.. Apart from my bike accident back in '94 that put me 6 months in hospital and having been thru civil wars in Beirut and Lagos for countless years, there has not been any frightening experience I could describe such as this service bridge over pass... Truly Yours, Waz ..Damn 996's so expensive here! I'll get one eventually!

I would have loved to be there and ride with you guys <img border="0" alt="[jumper]" title="" src="graemlins/jumper.gif" /> but be careful guys <img border="0" title="" alt="[Eek!]" src="eek.gif" /> at the cornering limit at 180km/h all you need is an unleveled expansion joint (we have many here due to the bridges because its a mountanous area) and your off <img border="0" title="" alt="[Frown]" src="frown.gif" />

you still didnt see anything Waz <img border="0" title="" alt="[Wink]" src="wink.gif" /> just fasten your seat belt and wait .....

What are you guys doing in Dubai? My family is from there. I may be over there this fall. That place needs a race track.

Aren't they going to start having a Grand Prix there soon?

They really should. It would certainly be appropriate. However, the GP will be in Bahrain. There is much motorsport fervor in the UAE, as well as the money to facilitate they're ambitions.

waz, you post here all day and you don't own a porsche?

Waz - you'd better send in a note from your dealer, a window sticker, the third page of your last 966 manual, and the 12th didget of the number that is stamped into the 996's rear lateral thjingamajig. And we'll want to make sure you've earned your Porsches as well... - Just kidding of course - we know your story...

groberts....huh? i don't recall this being called "Rennlist - The Porsche Owner Site" maybe i read it wrong.

i had posted only a few times asking for owners experience, as i had just purchased a new 996 and was unfamiliar with porsche. waz replied quickly, and on a number of occassions. usually with comments that were not helpful. now i see why. of course those who have worked as mechanics, or on race teams would be valuable sources of information, but the ramblings of poseurs does little to promote the site, and more often than not could result in bad info being passed. but, it's a free country.

groberts - how's the "thumping sound" issue coming along? Were any of the dozen, very thoughtful, suggestions that Waz offered helpful to you? I expect they were - because - surprise - he has been and will again be (after settling down from his international relocation last week) a porsche owner. Of course, I agree with P-Zen completely - everybody's welcome - we can use all the people we can in this forum to solve newbie "thumping" problems!

Groberts, your new here and don't know the members of the forum yet so I'll cut you some slack. But FYI Waz has just recently sold his 996 since he just moved to a different country. Replies in the forum are about much more than strict tecnical info (not everyone here is an engeneer or profesional porsche driver), as long as the replies are respectful as Waz always has been. Thanks to members like Waz (which also posts helpful info too... you haven't) this forum is not only great for info but also entertaining and fun. So stick around a little longer before you make any erroneous assumptions about deared members like Waz. If you post a question and you don't find in a reply what you were looking for or helpful, just scroll to the next reply, I hope you understand that the replies are not exclusively for you even though you started the post, but also for the other members who may find that reply interesting that also read the threads. I have followd Waz's posts since he joined and I'm very glad he did, thats why I'm saying all this that you have got the wrong impression so start again <img border="0" alt="[cheers]" title="" src="graemlins/beerchug.gif" />

the burning rubber smell, the thump upon stopping, the creaking from passenger rear window, the zap sound out of the bose system, the occassionally unresponsive keyless entry, and others, all persist. but, as an owner/fan of ducati's i'm accustomed to my toys having a personality. my purchase was based on an admiration of the design (much like the approach of ducati) and not with an expectation of a finish like a rolls royce. my 996 is silver with black leather. man trans. and no phone or gps crap. guess i should have waited for the release of the gt3 though, more of the type of model i was looking for. most of the responses i have heard have been helpful, perhaps i'm not accustomed to arab humor.

Rolls Royce is not exactly known for keeping together well. My father has a 2002. It's runs like a piece of crap. Looks nice, however. Bose system? When did Porsche do that? Arab Humor? man, you ought to get out more.

Great description Waz, it was like I was there. Oh, and BTW, thanks for the excellent comments on the C4 TipS. I put a copy of your post in MISTY's "Performance Logbook!

to P1CR, the speakers on my 2002 996 say "bose" on them. and i get out quite a bit, perhaps not as often as i did prior to sept 11th 2001, after all i did attend 6 funerals that year. i work in nyc, across from a very big graveyard, we used to call it wtc.when i got home that night, after walking all day up the FDR, i was witness to arabs dancing in the streets in NJ. so, like i said, i'm not accustomed to arab humor. but thanks for the suggestion.

groberts, you have dropped so low with what you are hinting that I'm sickenned. I'm dead serious, be clear... what does being arab or the abominable Sept 11th nightmare have to do with our steemed Waz's posts on this forum?

IN LESS THAN ONE WEEK TIME? waz sold his 996 as well his 928 in lagos waz left lagos to Dubai transit Lebanon waz surveyed quantities of AED 1,000,000 project waz revised quantities of AED 1,000,000 project waz was scared when i was racing with khalid waz won the AED 1,000,000 tender waz signed yesterday the AED 1,000,000 contract waz prepared site for dewatering & sheet piling waz before 3 hours got a 30% advance payment waz now is having fun in Dubai with his friends waz will defenitly have his 3rd Porsche soon <img border="0" alt="[icon501]" title="" src="graemlins/icon501.gif" />

</font><blockquote><font size="1" face="Verdana,Tahoma,Helvetica">quote:</font><hr /><font size="2" face="Verdana,Tahoma,Helvetica">Originally posted by groberts: perhaps not as often as i did prior to sept 11th 2001, after all i did attend 6 funerals that year [/QB]</font><hr /></blockquote><font size="2" face="Verdana,Tahoma,Helvetica"><img border="0" alt="[nono]" title="" src="graemlins/nono.gif" /> Stop hiding behind your finger, in middle east arabs are attending 6 funerals every day and for the last 55 years, wakeup! <img border="0" alt="[sleep]" title="" src="graemlins/sleep.gif" />

oh, we are quite awake now, i assure you.

Carlos, Am sure you can make a visit over this side of the planet, it's quite promising trust me (with or without family! <img border="0" alt="[cheers]" title="" src="graemlins/beerchug.gif" /> ).. Anyaway, most exits here are all embankments and the tarmac is free from any expansion joint. What really scared me was that the desert sand here forms a very thin volatile layer on the roads that you can see moving like a water wave.. I thought the tires would lose grip due to that.. Having discussed more with fadi, he admitted he'd reached the cornering limit of grip and did slow down for a while.. I think PSM shoul've also played a major rule during the process without us realising, does it work at high speeds?! Fadi, You pay my life insurance next year! Khaled, I bow! no more please! John, It is an honour to read your post!! P1CR, Hey where are you staying now? Hey send anyone of us an email and we'll sure receive you and family gladly! You are most welcome, you know this is part of our 'arab' tradition known for centuries on.. Posting my phone is not advised I might find out groberts wanting to pay me a visit as well! As for the tracks here, there are none yet but I am sure the 'disease' will surely reach us. Groberts, You are very entertaining, my advise to you is to get well informed about all of us here if you want to really be welcomed. Posts like mine will teach others about the limits of our cars, maybe you ought to answer my question up by the way.. You're still at your 15th post and we can still be good friends after all.. Waz ..been there, done that

...and i am sorry i never got to find out a solution for your thomping sound, consider it a weakness over my belittled knowledge, I was never Shumacher's mechanic nor the chief designer of turbines at porsche.. I only got a master degree in eng'g, fluent with four languages (one of which you never even heard of).. <a href="http://forums.rennlist.com/forums/ultimatebb.php?ubb=get_topic;f=5;t=002782#000000" target="_blank">my stupid answers to groberts..</a> Waz ..and by the way i hate ducatis

Groberts, is the porsche you are talking about yours or your dads car ? <img border="0" alt="[oops]" title="" src="graemlins/oops.gif" />

I was wondering if anyone was going to post a link to those posts that Groberts found so terrible insulting. I was curious last night and the only thing I saw was a joke were someone suggested that the Groberts "thumping" noise was a tire pressure gauge loose in the door pocket. Pretty funny stuff - but it wasn't Waz's humor - it was someone else. Still - it didn't seem like enough to make someone stew over for five months...

The post you are asking about Scott is the same you have read, I've even posted the link up you can see and read it: if you see any offense in my replies please tell me. And it wasnt me that replied about the tire pressure guage you are right. Moreover, I OWNED a 996 at the time of reply!! *just to make a point that is, if ever such a stupid and irrelevant point matters for any pointless fact* What really pissed me off is the OWNERSHIP part of the question, read: ''waz, you post here all day and you don't own a porsche?'' Awwwww myyyyy God... I read this on and on and all I can think make me just puke... What on earth does ownership have to do with this, talkess about other race, ethnic, religious or history facts.. So the other side of it means: 'I should own a Porsche, be an American (or why dont you say it out loud: be a non-arab/muslim), know everthing about direct induction flow, digital wastegate valves and vario-cam engines.. Groberts, you completely disregarded the fact that I have even paid for my membership in this forum whereas you have not! I got more right to post here than you do! I am sorry to have offended you in my five-month-back-posts, if ever I did. At least I didnt go off topic neither I have ever shown any racism in my previous 658 topics, nor offended any group or community while doing this. I suggest you do the same otherwise we're both wasting our time.. Waz

... I even got tons of requests asking me not to leave the forum when I sold my 996, and you're asking me to quit? Guysssssssssssss HELP!!! AHhhhhhhhhhh!!! OK, you know what??? OFFICIAL RENNLIST FACT: I AM BUYING FADZ'S 1996-993-CAB. DEAL DONE. DELIVERY: MID JUNE. I'll tell you guys more about driving experiences, engine, handling, etc... Groberts, PERMISSION to post?! Do I pass the scan? Am i worthy now?! Fadz is force -shtting down the pc,,, got to go! Waz :-)

Waz Congrats on the 993 - looking forward to hearing about your experiences with it and hope your not intending to disappoint us 996'ers by dissapearing over to the 'air-cooled' side and not continuing to post here <img border="0" title="" alt="[Wink]" src="wink.gif" /> Tomsk...

Waz - congrats on the cab - Don't leave us, I've always enjoyed your posts. <img border="0" alt="[cheers]" title="" src="graemlins/beerchug.gif" />

Mind you guys, the 993 is transitional only.. Moreover, I will be moving to my new house in the next two or three weeks, that is why I havent been posting much from my account.. See you online, always! Waz

waz, wasn't aware that you have been a porsche owner, you recent post suggested that you had hoped to acquire one. now i see that you are looking forward to getting another one. also, i was unaware that you and your friends enjoy relating every nuance of your driving experiences on this site. the "lounge" forum seemed to be where those lengthy ramblings were logged, or perhaps a game boy site? perhaps i'll stick with other sites for feedback on my new car. best of luck to you in the united arab emirates. and watch out for those daisy cutters.

</font><blockquote><font size="1" face="Verdana,Tahoma,Helvetica">quote:</font><hr /><font size="2" face="Verdana,Tahoma,Helvetica">Originally posted by groberts: <strong>... best of luck to you in the united arab emirates. and watch out for those daisy cutters.</strong></font><hr /></blockquote><font size="2" face="Verdana,Tahoma,Helvetica">This is an insult to us all ... and your own intelligence. Please just take a deep breath and cool down. This sort of nonsense does no one any good.

The only thing that is holding me now is because i respect all the people in this forum and the country i've been raised in. i dont know what to reply or what to say to groberts & people who think the same way, but i think reality proves it. let me go through a list of what the UAE (United Arab Emirates) made to me. i am a 20 years old student and i study in one of the best universities in the middle east. UAE Pay univ Fees UAE Pay me Salary to study and live with it UAE Gave me the oppurtunity to Save$$ and buy a 996 UAE Give me 20,000 dollars to help me get married UAE give me a House to live in UAE give me a farm to get income from UAE Give me land + 200,000$ to build a house UAE gives more and more and more ..... I Give UAE all my Life and Soul ........ and I dont let or allow any low life level human who ever he is to say anything bad or harm my country. With all respect to members of rennlist i mean no offence or nothing toward anyone of you i just wanted to express my feeling and to prove my loyality to my country.

</font><blockquote><font size="1" face="Verdana,Tahoma,Helvetica">quote:</font><hr /><font size="2" face="Verdana,Tahoma,Helvetica">Originally posted by pete01_996: [QBThis is an insult to us all ... and your own intelligence. Please just take a deep breath and cool down. This sort of nonsense does no one any good.[/QB]</font><hr /></blockquote><font size="2" face="Verdana,Tahoma,Helvetica">Couldn't agree more, people like groberts embarrase us all, I hope you get the point <img border="0" alt="[icon501]" title="" src="graemlins/icon501.gif" /> , I don't know about the rest of you guys but as far as I'm concerned he is "persona non gratta". 2 million years since the first hominids roamed Africa and some people are still at this level... how fustrating!

The frightening experience title for this thread appears to refer to some of the posts!

having just spun my 993 on an highway entrance ramp due to gravel on the road surface, at a speed significantly below 180 KPH, all I can say is you've definitely got ***** guys (:

I just checked in here to see what type of discussions might be going on, what kind of interesting aspects of 996's so that I might come back again based on what I see - - - - what I see is innane political, religious bantering that has zip to do with what I believe this forum is intended to achieve, just another platform for the loners.

I feel a bit ignorant. What are daisy cutters? Khalid Were you born in UAE? Do all citizens/residents get these same benefits? If so I have plenty of friends that could use money and would love to visit your beautiful (read: giving) country! Those are some great benefits. It's very nice to see how much UAE does to promote your education. I think that over the next twenty five years alternative energy will significantly devalue oil. Hence I strongly believe that regions which benefit from having an abundance of oil should invest that money in education because an intellegent citizenry is the one resource that can't be replaced by technology.

Got to say that I am pretty surprised at the way this post has headed. Quite scary. Lets all keep it to cars, guys....

</font><blockquote><font size="1" face="Verdana,Tahoma,Helvetica">quote:</font><hr /><font size="2" face="Verdana,Tahoma,Helvetica">Originally posted by Fadz: <strong>Mind you guys, the 993 is transitional only.. Waz</strong></font><hr /></blockquote><font size="2" face="Verdana,Tahoma,Helvetica">Hey Waz....you might like the 993 more than you think! See you on the 993 board soon.

</font><blockquote><font size="1" face="Verdana,Tahoma,Helvetica">quote:</font><hr /><font size="2" face="Verdana,Tahoma,Helvetica">Originally posted by Carlos from Spain: <strong>groberts, you have dropped so low with what you are hinting that I'm sickenned. I'm dead serious, be clear... what does being arab or the abominable Sept 11th nightmare have to do with our steemed Waz's posts on this forum?</strong></font><hr /></blockquote><font size="2" face="Verdana,Tahoma,Helvetica">Groberts, I can understand your sadness at the tragedy of September 11, I too lost a number of dear colleagues from our NY office in that attack. On the other hand, I am involved in the oil industry, and know many very good people from the middle east. Let us keep our emotions, political, religious or otherwise off the board, and keep it where it should be---Porsche's and the experiences that we have with them. <img border="0" alt="[cheers]" title="" src="graemlins/beerchug.gif" />

Well said, Harold.

Back to the original topic and my sincere apologies to what went on thru this post.. We are all human after all, we make mistakes and have our personal feelings.. I think everyone has had his point of view said in one way or the other. Anyway, I am planning to get my Gtech pro (accelerometer) planted 90deg sideways on the windshield to measure maximum grip force at these curves.. I know the C4S pulls the highest among supercars (about .098g i think) on corners, and i would love to see if we can reach this at high speeds. We will be safe dont worry guys, this is how the wacked boys fadi and khaled drive normally anyway! Waz

caneaddict, Almost all the United Arab Emirates Locals have this oppurtunities and some have even better. it all depends on how you do in your studies and where you want to end up. for example ill be working for the Army as a computer scientist. so the army sponsers me and pay my univer. fees and pay me salary after i graduate i work with them . some other people have diffrent oppurtunities to study aboard from diffrence sponsers. other than that there is the public universities which are free for all locals. and about the land thing yes and the money yes its for everyone it comes but by time.

Harold: The way khaled makes the car pop on high speeds thru his tip, it's amaaaaaaaaaaaaazing!! I can only think of my previous GSX1000R doing the same.. The fast gear change compared to fadi's manual made him gain a dew yards everytime.. But then again I still think it's an automatic! As for the 993 issue, I m in love with the engine sound but the car is undergoing some service now, i havent had the chance to drive it, YET! Waz

Talking about Gixxers... the new toy is home <img border="0" title="" alt="[Eek!]" src="eek.gif" /> <img border="0" alt="[jumper]" title="" src="graemlins/jumper.gif" /> 2003 MASTERBIKE winner BTW <img src="http://members.rennlist.com/raptor/GSX-R%20K3%20darksmall%203.jpg" alt=" - " />

Amaaazing.. Congratulations Carlos ..

</font><blockquote><font size="1" face="Verdana,Tahoma,Helvetica">quote:</font><hr /><font size="2" face="Verdana,Tahoma,Helvetica">Originally posted by Fadz: <strong>Harold: The way khaled makes the car pop on high speeds thru his tip, it's amaaaaaaaaaaaaazing!! I can only think of my previous GSX1000R doing the same.. The fast gear change compared to fadi's manual made him gain a dew yards everytime.. But then again I still think it's an automatic! As for the 993 issue, I m in love with the engine sound but the car is undergoing some service now, i havent had the chance to drive it, YET! Waz</strong></font><hr /></blockquote><font size="2" face="Verdana,Tahoma,Helvetica">Wild stuff....but i got to say i dont think the 993 is quite as planted at high speeds.... Waz, unfortunately, the only PSM we have on the 993 is our right foot!!!!! <img border="0" title="" alt="[Wink]" src="wink.gif" />

</font><blockquote><font size="1" face="Verdana,Tahoma,Helvetica">quote:</font><hr /><font size="2" face="Verdana,Tahoma,Helvetica">Originally posted by Carlos from Spain: <strong>Talking about Gixxers... the new toy is home <img border="0" title="" alt="[Eek!]" src="eek.gif" /> <img border="0" alt="[jumper]" title="" src="graemlins/jumper.gif" /> 2003 MASTERBIKE winner BTW <img src="http://members.rennlist.com/raptor/GSX-R%20K3%20darksmall%203.jpg" alt=" - " /></strong></font><hr /></blockquote><font size="2" face="Verdana,Tahoma,Helvetica">I feel the need...the need for speed......

khalid! UAE is our second home country and we all love it just like Lebanon....ignore him Waz! Stop using my name in your posts Carlos! God bless you, mama miya!