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YOUR RESEARCHBrake Calliper Bolts
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just a side note - were I work the bolts that have been used "without a problem" are now failing vibe tests...
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just ran into a glich where vertex sent the wrong pads and rotors, i put on the rotor and put back the calliper with my new bolts only to triple check the part numbers, call vertex, catch their goof and now i'm just waiting the proper pads/rotors....and will go to the dealership to get 2 more new bolts to replace the newneverusedbutroquedinanyway bolts.
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just ran into a glich where vertex sent the wrong pads and rotors, i put on the rotor and put back the calliper with my new bolts only to triple check the part numbers, call vertex, catch their goof and now i'm just waiting the proper pads/rotors....and will go to the dealership to get 2 more new bolts to replace the newneverusedbutroquedinanyway bolts.
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Since I get 50K miles or more out of my brakes (the Turbo brakes have over 60K miles and I have not had to do them yet) when I go to replace the rotors the cost of using new factory sourced brake hardware plays a minor role.
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I can see why Porsche wants you to replace these bolts.....
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Buying local, from a dealer, I have the ability to run right over and swap the wrong parts for the right ones but I have yet to get the wrong parts.
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just ran into a glich where vertex sent the wrong pads and rotors, i put on the rotor and put back the calliper with my new bolts only to triple check the part numbers, call vertex, catch their goof and now i'm just waiting the proper pads/rotors....and will go to the dealership to get 2 more new bolts to replace the newneverusedbutroquedinanyway bolts.
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Since I get 50K miles or more out of my brakes (the Turbo brakes have over 60K miles and I have not had to do them yet) when I go to replace the rotors the cost of using new factory sourced brake hardware plays a minor role.
Use ....if it fails, home depot will not be liable
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there is no accountability or liability for automotive use....if it fails, home depot will not be liable because there stuff is not auot, airplane or submarine quality....infact while on the subject, why not ask a pilot or submarine captain if he wants home depot bolts in this ship...
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Hey Guys, on risk of getting flamed again for nooob questions but i got another...I know i have to use new bolts on the callipers when putting in new pads/rotors, but i'm curious of the calliper bolts are available at Homedepot or are they a stealership only purchase?
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Since I get 50K miles or more out of my brakes (the Turbo brakes have over 60K miles and I have not had to do them yet) when I go to replace the rotors the cost of using new factory sourced brake hardware plays a minor role.
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Hey Guys, on risk of getting flamed again for nooob questions but i got another...I know i have to use new bolts on the callipers when putting in new pads/rotors, but i'm curious of the calliper bolts are available at Homedepot or are they a stealership only purchase?
thanks again (flame suit on and waiting!)
Use the search function "Search this Forum".
Van posted a youtube video of the entire process. Use both "brakes" and "Van" to do the search.
Oh, crap. Before Mike starts whining, I'll be right back with the link.
Here it is
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Even at stealer prices, that's only $4. per bolt. Seriously, just pay the extra dollar.
-td
[PS: sometimes I reuse mine even though I have a whole bag of them here at the house...]
took a little but worth the effort... this is from another RL member so I cant take credit for the content, but I can take credit for sharing
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It has been a while since I've done my Porsche's brakes but IIRC the dealer sells a hardware brake kit that supplies all new hardware, incuding IIRC new caliper bolts.
You know, the dealership isn't the at fault party here. Porsche sets the prices of these items and charges the dealers lots of money for delivery. My local dealer tells me it eats the delivery charges though these are going up all the time.
I might add I get a discount as a member of the PCA when I buy parts from my local dealer's parts department.
Also, since brakes are a very critical system of the car I do not scrimp when doing the brakes. No one likes spending money needlessly, me included, but the peace of mind knowing I used new and factory hardware for the brakes is worth the premium I may have paid for the bolts from the dealer vs. from some other source.
Plus, not all hardware used on these cars is off the shelf hardware available at the local hardware store. While one might find a new bolt that 'fit' it might be a bit too short, or too long or not have the proper thread coating/finish. Plus there is the grade of the fastener to consider.
In either case of the bolt being too short or too long this can expose the bolt or caliper threads to corrosion and the next time you go to remove the bolt you can ruin the caliper if the corrosion causes the threads to tear.
Since I get 50K miles or more out of my brakes (the Turbo brakes have over 60K miles and I have not had to do them yet) when I go to replace the rotors the cost of using new factory sourced brake hardware plays a minor role.
My primary goal is to do the brakes properly to have the brake system back up to par, to the level they were at when the car first rolled off the assembly line.
Sincerely,
Macster.
Maybe we should expand on it??
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12. The IMS is a myth
13. The IMS may not really be a Myth
14. Don't bring up headlight design
One things for sure, I would NEVER consider buying a car from you, knowing that even considered buying a bolt from Depot for brakes on your Porsche.
What are you thinking?????
has nothing to do with cost but more how long i had to wait the first time i order them, over a week.
just ran into a glich where vertex sent the wrong pads and rotors, i put on the rotor and put back the calliper with my new bolts only to triple check the part numbers, call vertex, catch their goof and now i'm just waiting the proper pads/rotors....and will go to the dealership to get 2 more new bolts to replace the newneverusedbutroquedinanyway bolts.
was only asking to see if bolts are just bolts and if they were i could get my car up and running again sooner.
Well, I can understand the desire to get the car back on the road ASAP.
Unfortunately, my experience is when I tried to find a shortcut oftentimes the shortcut caused me more trouble and the car was off the road longer.
This is one reason why I stopped ordering parts online. I ordered brake rotors/pads and found the rear rotors the wrong ones. Luckily the old brakes were still usuable but I had to arrange for a return and box/ship the wrong rotors back and then wait for the new ones.
It all went well, but it took more time, more trouble. Buying local, from a dealer, I have the ability to run right over and swap the wrong parts for the right ones but I have yet to get the wrong parts. Oh take that back. I was given the wrong clear side marker lights for my Cayman S. But plugs, filters, brake rotors/pads and brake hardware, various electrical switches, oil and coolant caps, all have been the right part the first time.
Anyhow, if you have a good fastener company in your area, Fastenal (?) you might consider taking the original bolts in and see if they can match them with same size, diameter and pitch of course, but also the same length and grade.
Sincerely,
Macster.
I was going to say, maybe Home Depot and Lowes aren't the best answer, but if you've got a Fastenal dealer in your area I wouldn't hesitate to stop in.
Some of you guys are hilarious...bolts are just bolts.
If the characteristics of the bolt from Porsche match the bolt from wherever, what's the difference?
I dont think so....unless you have them tested by a metalurgist and can verify major, minor and pitch diameters are the same....bolts are FAR FROM "just bolts"
just cuz they "look" the same and have the same size dont mean squat!
A grade 8 bolt with the same pitch and thread count from Fastenal is just as good as a grade 8 bolt from Porsche.
They melted down all of those old Panzer tanks a long time ago, they're just using the same old steel everyone else is these days.
seriously....?
OK.. ready set go - Home Depot buys the cheatest crap they can, often taking seconds and left over garbage. The bolts they sell are not the same and if you ask ANY bolt dealer they will 100% agree.. if you want to trust your life to a Chinese Bolt to stop you, please do it on another side of the planet, I dont want to nor do I want to think about those bolts failing.
reason is the metal is not the same
the way the threads are produced is not the same
theway they are tested is not the same
there is no accountability or liability for automotive use....if it fails, home depot will not be liable because there stuff is not auot, airplane or submarine quality....infact while on the subject, why not ask a pilot or submarine captain if he wants home depot bolts in this ship... hell they look the same in the little bag...
I am NOT having this conversation, I hate cheap crap PERIOD
Fortunately I don't own a submarine. Nor do I know any submarine captains that I can ask where they get replacement bolts.
All I asked was for some type of documentation about the supposed shoddiness of Home Depot bolts. You've given me nothing but opinions.
Is there any fact in your argument?
FWIW, I buy most of my hardware at my local Fastenal dealer simply because they're closer to my shop than Home Depot or Lowes.
BTW be carefull as when I replaced mine, they sent me a version with TORX while my previous bolt were Allen. so I had to go back to buy a special TORX socket so I could torque the thing. they are pretty expensive as they are very big, I think they are 55
just a side note - were I work the bolts that have been used "without a problem" are now failing vibe tests... before our stuff didnt have to pass and they worked fine... now they are ALL failing and its to the point of causing catistrophic failures... but the bolts "look" the same and have the same specs (read basic specs)
ever wonder why a bolt on the space shuttle can cost $100 for a single 1/4-28 x 2" bolt? I am sure its because someone is ripping off the government... they should have went to Home depot.
the reason i have no facts is that someone went before me and discovered they are not the same, i read it and remember the important stuff...which is, they are differant. ---- I really need to stop thinking about this because I get a little worked up