Jake Raby skunk works testing - day one

Hey guys I enjoyed yesterday as I was involved with Jake doing real world testing of products he is developing . As some of you may know Jake has basically left the grid and has been doing a LOT of flow bench work . He has developed his own air boxes/plenums/intake runners/x-pipes etc etc . It's one thing to test on a bench it's another to test on a chassis Dyno on a car . So yesterday was a full day of testing various OEM air boxes vs Jake's carbon fiber box . We used OEM air filters both new and dirty vs 5-6 aftermarket filters . It was a long day collecting data . Today we do it all over again but introducing the x-pipe into the equation . Jake and Jud looked like mad scientist's as they poured over the data . I admit I don't understand much of what they are doing but I sure enjoyed being involved . It's one of the perks of working there 😋. It was interesting to watch Jake work , very methodical in his approach . He seems very happy and content . I believe the new collaboration between FSI and LN Engineering is good for Jake's wellness 😁. I took pics yesterday but I am handcuffed by poor internet at my house . I hope to post some pics from work today . I am sure more in depth info will be posted on FSI and LN websites in the future . I just wanted to share what a great day I had yesterday and looking forward to what today brings. I must say I am still mesmorized hearing a boxer six barking loudly at 7300 RPM's on the Dyno . It just doesn't get old 👍

Sounds like a dream job.

It's a dirty job but someone has to do it 😋. Just finished changing the oil/filter getting ready to make some noise !

I watched Jake's video last night.

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Agreed. This is the best kind of work. Run experiments, collect data, figure out the next steps, repeat. Hand off the next steps to the next guy.

Some pics from yesterday .

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I wish I was there this week! Next week it will be my turn to review all the data. Unreal!

Glad to see Jake looks very happy and content. Excited to see what he has come up with - I'll watch the video tonight.

I love the look of the new box I want to first on the waiting list please please please oh pretty please

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You aint kidding. Those are sharp looking.

Well day two is complete . Many Dyno runs to gather data with the x-pipe . Both with and without cats . Very interesting to hear the difference in the exhaust note between cats vs no cats . Jake has tons of data on this one car . He has another car in queue with a different engine configuration ready to go through the same testing . Basically building a library of data to eventually include most/all engine configurations that FSI and LN will be manufacturing and selling in the future . It was an enjoyable two days and an eye opener for me .

The airboxes will be a great upgrade! The entire intake system will be a game changer! The x-pipe is ingenious as well. Jake doing R&D is a huge advantage for FSI & LN.

@996C438 @BRS-LN Can you share what manifolds/headers and what mufflers are being used in conjunction with the x-pipe? And will the x-pipe be available to the general public? Thanks!

^^^ This particular car had OEM exhaust manifolds and mufflers . Many customers want to retain stock exhaust so this two days of testing provides Jake with data for that setup . Knowing Jake like I do he will test MANY different combinations to have that data . To my knowledge all these items will be available for sale via LN Engineering. I am not involved in sales so that's all I know .

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FSI is only creating, developing and writing installation instructions for these products. Jake won't have anything to do with them beyond this. A lot of these items are things that FSI came up with years ago and have made as low production items for their engines. Today they are being further tested and proven so we have data to support them with at LN. That said, 10 of the X pipes have already been sold through LN. These sold on the first day and they represented a full first batch of products coming out of the jigs at FSI. To make things easier we've been offering the products to FSI engine owners first, mostly using the FSI Owner's Lounge to do this since Jake has been sharing all the testing videos and data there as he has made progress over the past 32 weeks. The next batch of 10 is also already sold, but after that we expect to get them in stock at LN. Jake won't let us have waiting lists/ deposits for anything, since he doesn't want to have time constraints or promises that can be broken. If you sign up for the LN Newsletters you'll be notified when we have these items in stock. The full RX3900 induction system is also very close to being released to us. Jake wants to change the file for the central plenum to add some additional material, but after that it is ready to go. The RX3900-139 Carbon Air Box is 100% developed and was just handed over to us this morning. We have 3 of them out of the molds and are awaiting the MAF housings and other items to be printed before they can be assembled. I am not sure how many FSI owners will snag these, but they have first dibs. I'd expect by spring we'll have stock on everything that isn't being constantly depleted by FSI engine owners to include the FSI camshafts and full performance kits that have the induction system, cams, heads, and exhausts as all matched units with a known result. RX3900 full induction system on the FSI flow bench. Completed carbon air box, minus branding. I'm sure that won't say Porsche.. 100% made in USA. Raby really knocked the fitment out of the park, and created templates to cut the factory deck lid to accept the included escutcheon for factory X51 fitment.

I hope 996.1 engine functioning bling will be made

You Tube

I need that airbox!!!!

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All of these developments are co-applicable to a 996. The carbon airbox was altered for direct 996 fitment, the full induction system will also directly fit a 996 and various runners are designed to fit each of the cylinder head intake bolt patterns. The first test application for the revised FSI X- pipe was a 996. The only thing the FSI developments aren�t covering are Boxster/ Cayman specific fitments. The entire focus is on the 996/997 family of cars that are earlier than 997.2 Next comes serious oil system upgrades that were previously only fitted to FSI engines. Couple that with several special tools and a very outside the box AOS system enhancement and 2023 will be very exciting. I have to say that the Raby approach to the AOS system is just as simple as his IMS Solution, and proves that when everyone else is thinking the same thing, someone isn�t thinking.

Jake shared some info with me about his AOS enhancement . While technically over my head it is simplistic and brilliant . And of course a patent is on the way 😋. Very interesting having a front row seat watching this all unfold .

I appreciate mr raby s determination and I’m amazed that he is working on 20+ year old cars thank god please sign me up for a full carbon box even at $4000 I’m ready now

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The X51 box used to cost $8000 from Porsche. Used ones currently cost as much or more than the Flat6Innovations airbox, if you can even find a used one for sale. The Flat6Innovations box flows better than the X51 box due to some changes Jake made.

Today's price for the factory X 51 box is 8,800 and two exist in the system. This doesn't include any of the other parts that this kit will include, which allow fitment into a 996/997 with only cutting a hole in the factory decklid. A scanned file of a factory 997 X51 deck lid allows for a template to be 3D printed that makes the positioning of this perfectly positioned. Jake used the template, made the cut and installed the [supplied] escutcheon in less than 1 hour last week. That was a customer's car that he recently finished an R40 (4.1) for and equipped it with the RX39 airbox. Nothing is spared in the kit, down to the correct length replacement oil filler tube for the air box. The 4K price is a guess, final cost analysis is not in yet, since Jake has yet to hand things over to LN on this development.

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Interesting ... ALL the problems that the Factory AOS system has had for the 20+ years of production is solved with the UAOS.....

​​​​​​​Never fear.. You'll like it.

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​​​​​​​lol..we'll see...

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Ouch. Sick burn bro.

Omg here we go again

seems like he's going to extremes for little gain....even for a non stock motor

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Yep, after running thousands of flow bench tests on every component(OEM & aftermarket) ever made for the M9x engine and countless dyno runs with 1 piece changed at a time, you'd have to admit that Jake has more knowledge about what works and what doesn't in the M9x than anyone else inside or outside of Porsche. Some Porsche engineer back in the early 2000s might have known all this, but I bet they're either no longer at Porsche and/or have moved on to the newer Flat6 engines. Yes, he's going to extremes for even the smallest gains in airflow & HP, but to build the most powerful M9x you have to know ALL the little HP secrets and make them add up. Without the meticulous attention to details like Jake(and the expensive test equipment) "competitors" will have to hope they get the combination correct and their engines will perform. I can't wait to see the results from all of the R&D Jake is doing. All I know is the M9x engines from F6I are going to be MUCH more powerful soon. I wonder if the next level of engine will be nicknamed, "shut-up and hold on, this is gonna shock you."

I�m giving BRS-LN the benefit of doubt of being unaware Porschtech3 designed the UAOS which has famously been utilized in FSI engine builds�unless the FSI pictures of installed UAOS have been doctored. Unless more details are provided I suspect the the FSI AOS is a catch can only., Or a modified approach to Porschetech3�s design. Either way the product claims and comments about group think are an insult to porschetech3 and his contributions to FSI engine builds. FWIW, I do not personally have a UAOS installed. But, I fully appreciate and acknowledge the solution. And, clearly, Jake did as well to the point of installing the UAOS on builds.

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Not really.....this wasnt @zbomb going after a product that he has already talked highly about on several occasions. Oh he knows about the uaos......ln-e r the ones that sell it for skip

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I've seen the dynojet measurements of his motors and they are impressive. I doubt there's much more without turning up the rpm

Another other point and question/comment....it's resonant tuning (reflections of pressure waves) of intakes and exhaust that produce >100% Volume efficiency, not maximum flow of a part of the system.

While no one has seen or been told how the development works at this point, Jake�s only statement about the UAOS is that what he is working with can be utilized in conjunction with, and parallel to the UAOS. I have driven a car that employed this, but it has not been seen outside of Skunkwerks at this point. That car had a UAOS fitted and it did not appear modified. The entire engine bay appeared stock to me except the RX39 carbon airbox fitment. As far as the gains in airflow through the last 33 weeks of Raby development, well I can tell you that they are not small. Tex Squirrel and other original FSI engine purchasers have seen these tests occur live in the FSI Owners Lounge. They have seen the data first hand, back to back from the flow bench, camshaft profiler and the dyno. If you understand that airflow is everything to an engine, you will then understand that any gain in air flow through the entire induction system isn�t to be considered �small�. I�m sure everyone else will have to wait till these findings are put into ink in the spring. Last I heard he was going to self publish, since all the publishers that he was working with had a 9 month wait or more. 93 people have seen these findings gathered first hand, and that included calibrations to the equipment before, during and after tests were ran. It wasn�t my intent to ruffle feathers. LN and FSI respect the relationship that we have with Skip, and in the future what is being done will only add an additional element to the UAOS or the factory AOS. Nothing more. Jake says that what he has done is not limited to Porsche M9X fitments, and in fact trying to solve AOS issues for a non Porsche application led to the novel concept.

I am happy with the UAOS that I installed on my 3.8 Stage II . But if I can add an additional layer of engine insurance I will do so . Looking forward to the release of Jake's invention. I will probably add it to my 996 and Boxster S .

I've been watching the work that Jake has been doing and agree that it is quite remarkable. The method and rigor is unmistakable. On the boards here we have all the piecewise discussions. One will talk about plenums, Another talks about exhaust or X-pipes. Nobody talked about mods to the heads, cams, or intake, even though that is being done by individuals. But each conversation was an individual component. And most of the time there is limited data to back it up, or, the data was presented in a way that it could be refuted. Simply trying to compare dyno graphs from 2 different locations on the planet will make people dismiss the better one. This work pulls it all together. I'm really looking forward to the book. (and the X-pipe that I should have on the car by Christmas...)(did you know that Santa is a mechanic?)

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Yes, the airflow gains are huge, but he has continued to go after even the last few CFM. He's been redesigning his improvements so that no small gains are left on the table. When he's done, you'll know that the airbox, intake, etc are as improved as possible. The power gains are as good as they can safely be. Watching this process live has been amazing! While I don't know all of the improvements coming I do know that there are great things coming.

Jake's 356 project. Simply outstanding and very very cool. https://ww2.pca.org/panoreader/dec-2022/#page=62

Given that UAOS has now been used successfully on and off the track and with the addition of the drain back line it's essentially a maintenance free and a life time item, I'm genuinely curious to see what has been improved. FWIW, if you're going to improve on someones design that you also do business with I figured the right thing to do would be to give them a heads up rather than have them learn of it in a forum post �\_(ツ)_/�

Dejeeper my comments were to keep the conversation productive I’m learning a lot and gather necessary info for my future build Jason is a cool dude that has knowledge and experience on his build and he expected builders to back up their data which I get I’m just a little tired of bickering in general on this site as a whole and not singling out 1 individual I’m also guilty of stirring shyte

Technically speaking :: The UAOS design is not limited to Porsche cars.. Like I said... ALL the problems that the Factory AOS system has had for the 20+ years of production is solved with the UAOS..... I know of no deficiencies of the UAOS system....( except price, but that even pays for itself over time) Technical questions:: What problem does a new development fix?

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question for you: why not just copy the original design and make it out of aluminum and use a better diaphragm?

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Because part of the original problem is the difficulty in accessing the location for the diaphragm..Takes hours to access.. The UAOS uses a much thicker diaphragm, twice as thick, AND puts it in an easy to access place. It can littleraly be replaced in minutes.. The original "cyclone/body" has never been a problem, so making one from aluminum would just add to the cost without better performance...Keeping the original Polyamde 66/GF35 material cyclone/body, but modifying it , keeps the cost down and with the other components ( CNC Billet Black Anodized Accumulator , robust remote diaphragm ect.) outperforms the original design in every way...and then the Track drain.......

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dougn - Are you talking about the diaphragm housing? The tool-up cost to copy to metal a (now) throw-away component that�s already produced in large quantities? For the numbers Skip would be producing, I can�t see any ROI. As for guessing what Jake could do to improve the relatively simple, cost effective UAOS, hard for me to say. I can�t envision a catch can being more simple, due to space in the bay, than the drain back. It�s quite possible FSI is addressing the antique vapor collection chamber design at the back of the block. After watching the FSI videos, I drool a little imagining how much fun to have a monster flow bench and capable 3D printer. Add a big old CNC rig in the shop and�BAM! Oh, the fun I could have in �retirement�!

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Antiquated vent to atmosphere systems are Illegal, ... And even when used for off-road/racing purpose require Recalibration of the DME ( costly).. Fixed orifice systems and spring loaded "PCV" systems do not control the flow well enough to keep fuel trims from going out of the adjustment window..( would require Recalibration ...costly and Illegal) A diaphragm "4 pressure" flow control system is the only thing accurate enough to be used ...

I guess we�ll all have to wait and see.

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Hahahahahaha. Love it. What a *****.

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@BRS-LN Can you give me a ballpark figure for the x-pipe with cats and bypass pipes? Thanks!

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Around 3K for the X pipe fitted with V band clamped cats. We do not plan to sell the bypass pipes, but will give you plans to have some made locally as well as the part number for the proper V bands to match.

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so you design it to be made with bypass pipes but don�t make them or offer to sell them� what am I missing?

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Likely to not cause any EPA fines.

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Designing an xpipe for sale versus headers is interesting. Does this suggest that Jake does not see any incremental improvement from developing a header system and in fact you are better off using the oem headers or does it suggest that there is a header system that is already out on the market that Jake has found to work well.

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if thats the case than every other manufacturer (large and small) that makes them currently would be fined.. not the case

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Through the years Jake has mentioned a couple headers he found have good flow with proper merge. I can�t recall, with any certitude, which ones, except for a small nod to Agency and torque bump. Several years ago he said the 996 M96 muffler and manifold are a strong point.

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Headers have also been designed by FSI. We don't expect to see them for 6 months or so, since the X pipes are selling so well they are eating up the fabrication department. The X pipe has always been the instant single gain that requires no drama to install. Headers risk breaking off retention bolts in the heads, which then becomes a disaster. 75% of 996s out there will break off at least one bolt in the head, and some will break off all 6. For these reasons we recommend the headers being done only on fresh engines where the bolts have not been in place for thousands of heat cycles. The headers will come with studs, flanged nuts and Jake's own anti- seize to keep these issues from happening later. Nothing is worse than selling someone a pair of headers, and they snap off the bolts during what they assumed would be a simple job.. Many dollars later they wish they would have never bought the headers, and all of a sudden the headers are the problem. The headers can't be the problem, because the broken bolts are due to the old header fitment, and the poor choice of Porsche to use bolts instead of studs is the issue. The blame game usually doesn't play out like that, so we have to support the installer through the process of dealing with the scenario. The X pipe is just what he chose to offer first, and the headers are designed to be optimized with the X pipe characteristics. Federal EPA compliance was a major point of the X pipe, which is why we had cats designed that feature Federal Compliance and the housings are marked as such. The V bands make for easy installation of the entire system, and also allow for replacement cats to be purchased and installed when necessary with no welding or cutting, with one 11mm wrench. If someone chooses to capitalize on these V band attributes and make their own bypass pipe, they can do that. Last week Jud swapped out a pair of bypass pipes for cats while the car was on the dyno rollers without even jacking it up. The swap was made in 25 minutes after the engine cooled down, so back to back data could be gathered. The process is easy, fast and has no drama. As far as I know the only thing that FSI doesn't care about offering is a set of mufflers, generally because the factory ones make solid power. Yesterday a 4.4L R44 SUMEBore engine made 382 at the rear wheels using 100% factory mufflers, so not many applications would need more than that when it comes to muffler, unless someone just wants to make noise. Lots more items are in the works. The FSI induction system is all finished except reinforcement of the center plenum. All the air flow studies and comparisons are done against every stock intake system, fitted to every 996/997 cylinder head from the M96.01- M97.01. The FSI backlog is now within 6 months of being 100% completed, and Jake has already completed the first engines for the new program. Those who have already been assigned a tier of pre qualification will start seeing these become available after the new year. We'll have around 6 months of transition where both programs are in place, until the new program takes over all the workload. FSI remains on time and on budget with every build at this point, and it appears like the old program could close out around 4 weeks early if all remains well.

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382 hp at what rpm?

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They are starting to crack down. When I was working in the Audi/VW world APR started to phase out the stage 2 tunes and catless parts and I don't think they do anything remotely finicky with emissions anymore. Even looking for some parts for my Mustang Cobra many of the companies I remember when I had my GT back in the late 2000s no longer make those parts. I am all for helping the environment but there are bigger fish to fry out there. Trucks, planes, and cruise liners (that dump astronomical amounts of emissions) are all awful polluters, some enthusiast guys running aftermarket cats or catless for a few thousand miles a year are literal drops in the bucket in comparison.

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Not even.......

I also have a diesel dually pickup that I have done subtle Tweeks to . So I pay attention to that diesel scene . The past 2-3 years have been tough for many in the aftermarket tuning industry . There are many that the EPA have shut down or fined the crap out of them . Million dollar fines are nothing to ignore . I don't blame Jake and LN for being careful in what they develop and sell . Nothing is worth being shut down. Nothing is worth bankruptcy due to fines . Being smart is good business . Just my 2 cents .

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Believe it or not, transport ships are the worlds worst polluters.

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Yeah, I remember reading somewhere that a container ship is millions and millions of cars worth of pollution. Yet, I feel like all these businesses are trying to shift the responsibility to the end user like I am supposed to be the responsible one. I am all for doing my part but it's gotta start at the beginning, not the end.

Have you looked at the pollution stats comparing the US to other countries around the world? The US isn't the problem, the 3rd world countries are the problem. In the meantime, we get brow beaten.

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Although I want to agree here, if you look at this deeper, US and many other countries like to exploit the 3rd world countries, whether it's production or mining for example and contribute to the pollution. On a recent podcast I listened to that talked about the push for electrification, it was mentioned that we need a few hundred mines to be built in places like Africa in order to meet the demands for minerals needed for battery production and etc. BTW, those mines require tremendous amounts of water for extraction and are built in places that have almost no water for the people living there. So we're basically willing to screw over a bunch of people in a 3rd world country in order to meet our idea of being green. They also presented an example of the same ZF transmission being built in US and somewhere in Europe. The funny part was that the transmission built in US was meant for cars in Europe and the European made transmission was meant for cars in US. Wonder what's the carbon footprint for shipping those back and forth...

Yep

The EPA can be a real bear...They have the power to shut down or impose tremendous fines on anyone who tampers with emissions.. All engine "Calibrations" have to be certified by EPA to be Legal for road use...Off road/Racing is an exception, but if you cross the line EPA can jump up. I remember one time while working for FoMoCo I had a customers new Ranger manual transmission that would on occasion hang at high idle speed. After doing all the test I contacted the "Ford Hot Line" and got ahold of the Ford Engineer who designed the Calibration for the model...He admitted he had tested the Calibration in just about all climates but not in the South during Summer due to time constrains on meeting a deadline, , so he sent me a DME/ECU that would cure the problem, but had not been ok'ed by the EPA and it had a tag offixed that the vehicle could not be sold with the Calibration untill the Calibration had been certified by the EPA.. Anyone "tuning" or changing the "Calibration" of a road car, can be subjected to EPA Violations... When I was developing the UAOS I remember Jake saying one of the reasons he had never tried hard to fix the AOS problems was the fear of EPA violations... I had studied the SMOG language and found the Appendix G gives certain exceptions that make the UAOS totally Legal....

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382HP@ 6,900 RPM 318TQ@ 6,100 At the rear wheels. R44@4.4

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DANG!

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Very impressive. Do these numbers include all of the new enhanced parts discussed on this thread, or do you see more incremental gains in the future with the addition of these parts?

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cost of the that motor is like $40-50k though right?

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That's great! what is the stroke?

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And that is on Jake�s dyno too. I remember him saying 330 rwhp on his dyno is like 420 crank hp on his engine dyno. That R44 had to have been close to 500 crank hp!

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No. this engine still uses the full M97 intake and stock 3.8 airbox with some internal enhancements. This one would certainly break 400 at the wheels if the newest technology was applied to it, but doing so would add factors that can take away from the one factor aspect of learning about SUMEBore. It does use the FSI 39-139 camshafts. It was built as a Nikasil R44 in 2018 an was ran for 40k miles before being swapped to SUMEBORE with no other changes made except the optimized ring pack. R-Series engines are not for those who put a price tag on custom work. One recently sold for 75k, which is the going rate, although there are no estimates made.Time + materials. Jake only wants to build 2-3 of these per year, and that�s all that we can manufacture the parts for, anyway. The crankshaft alone is 10k.

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The R is definitely impressive. Not certain what you mean by this sentence. Can you explain?

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I take it as he wants to see how much hp is increased thru reduced friction. I'm curious....can't be that much ....??

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+1. Seriously though, I appreciate the FSI development and I love my 996 as much as the next guy here but if I had ~$75k burning a hole in my pocket and I had the need for speed at the same time, my 996 will be getting sold tomorrow. For the total money I'd be getting a GT4 with high miles on it and sending it out to DeMan Motorsports for their 4.5L upgrade for about $30 - $35k. The result is a car that is more powerful than the 991 GT3RS for around $110k? I think they end up with around 500hp and torque all over. All that without the runaround and hoping I get selected to have my engine built for me.

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This is the way one factor at a time development is done. Removing friction is one factor, but that isn�t everything when it comes to a ring and cylinder combination. Sealing is a key factor in this, and the current study is one that focuses not on power differentials, but �blow by�. The goal has always been for the SUMEbore not to really be better than Nikasil, but rather be a �just as good replacement � for Nikasil. We know that with each new environmental consideration that is passed that Nikasil can go away because it is a plating process that has a lot of acids and rinses that are not environmentally friendly. The while idea behind SUMEbore is to have the process perfected before we need it. We are very close at this point, but still have more to learn. Ring selection and cylinder finish have been a huge learning curve, since we�ve had to gather all the info empirically with zero assistance from anyone other than Total Seal Piston Rings who have partnered with us on this since the very beginning. As far as spending money on the 996 goes: lots of people that call in or write do not like the newer cars. They want a simpler car that is smaller overall and is more analog. Many of these are people who have had newer 911 variants. One good example is the customer that Jake finished an R43 for a month or so ago for his 997.1 factory X51 car. He is selling his 2018 GT3 in the spring and will keep the R43 997.1 long term. Everyone is different and consider different. At LN and FSI we provide components, services and engines for every generation of Porsche from 356 pre-A to 992.

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That's a bit of a silly example, don't you think? A 997.1 with X51 is a very different car from a 2018 GT3. You're comparing a car made for the track that can also be driven on the road, with some compromises, VS a relatively quick daily sports / touring car that could be used for an occasional fun track day. They provide a different driving experience on several levels (not just engine) and it seems like the owner doesn't want to deal with the compromises that come with a GT car but wants equivalent power in a more comfortable body. The car size statement is getting a bit tired, especially when you consider that most GT3 cars had rear steering that essentially shrinks how the car feels in size. Let's not discount that the current going rate for a 2018 GT3 is around $200k average, which will make the R43 engine essentially free. Heck, he could buy a 997.1 AND the R43 and still have money left over after selling the GT3.

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Not an example at all. Just a fact that proves that not everyone is interested in the newer car, or the one that was a higher performer from the factory. These are traits that we see more and more. They are driving factors in the demand for what we continue to develop for the M9X engine.

I guess what is anyone�s point in any comments related to price/�worth� of these builds? They are worth what people will pay, and currently that is quite a bit. They aren�t worth that to you, good there aren�t many available anyway, someone will gladly take your spot in line. Worth it but can�t afford it, keep saving your $. Not worth it and want to judge others who feel it is, go pound sand, your opinion means way less than your ego makes you think.

Yep. To see this in action, all you gotta do is go to a PCA club race at one of the premier tracks. COTA, Daytona, Road America... You will see more money in wild *** RVs and built cars that will blow your mind. Importantly, it's not just the cost to build it, it's the money that is spent on an annual basis to keep it running in top form that will blow you away. Yes, there are a number of folks with the means to spend big bucks to get what they want. I say go for it if you want. If not, no worries.

When I bought my rollbar back in 2018, the person selling it told me I should just buy his 996.2 GT3 track car as I'd save money over making a C2 that could never be even close to as quick as a GT3. Well looking back, I'm going to come out about the same overall cost but I'm ending up with a vehicle with a lighter #/HP, a better torque curve, newer suspension, and in MUCH better overall condition. To me the money I've spent is well worth it. I recently did the #/HP calculations against all the generation Carrera, GT3, Turbo, GT2 variants. My lightened 996.2 with a Stage II 4.0 actually does quite well on paper. It's not the lowest by any means, but it is better than all of the Carreras and some of the GT3s and Turbos.

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Whats the weight of your car?

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Pretty much. The idea of nuking that much money on a M96.0x of all things is nauseating. I've yet to see any dyno from FSI for an M96 that looked like it was worth spending money on.

That is your opinion and is definitely not shared by everyone else, as Flat Six had a waiting list for their engines. Just because it is not worth it to you, don’t begrudge others as to how they spend their money.

Love seeing all the FSI guys come out defending a $75K motor. Goes to show how no matter the absurdity, it will never be absurd enough for all of you. He should build a motor for a $100K next, maybe it would crack 400 wheel.

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Jason - do you really need to be so obnoxious *all* the time? All you ever do on this board is crap all over people who willingly bought a product that they are happy with. And because it doesn�t align with whatever you have going on internally, you bring negativity. We get it - you have some burr in your saddle about FSI. Give it a rest and post your grief somewhere else.

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Have you driven one? I personally think the 996 is turning into a future classic and these engines can�t be described by looking at a dyno or even in words, they have to be experienced. I am sorry that the idea of someone else spending their $ makes you sick, seems a bit odd to me.

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I personally love seeing someone else�s success make other people uncomfortable 😁. You have success in building such a great motor that someone will pay $75k for one (sometimes they come back for 2nds) and you have the success of actually being able to financially buy one. So it is no surprise that this might make you and others a bit �uncomfortable�. If any of this gives you a negative emotion, suck it up buttercup.

I can't imagine spending anything close to $75k on an M96 motor, but I do understand why someone might be tempted to spend big money on a 996 or 997 as opposed to just buying the newest 911 they can afford for equivalent money. The 991+ cars are just too big and heavy/ complicated. I say this as a 6'6" guy who drives a '99 C2 and would never trade up for a "modern" 911. I would, however, take a 997 GT3.

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Ok I can�t argue, I love the 997.1 GT3 and how they drive. But think of it this way, entry level for a 997.1 GT3 is pushing $125k vs a 997.1 C2S at say $45k. That $80k delta is primarily engine, suspension, and badge.

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Really? It seems you have quite the reputation that would suggest that isn�t true. Only you really know what drives your comments, but to me it seems you have a hard on for Jake, FSI, and anyone who supports them. But what do I know�..

If you can�t see the absurdity of spending that type of money, regardless of where you are on the tuning spectrum� c�mon guys. I like to read and all these new products coming to market are interesting (in a good way) to me. I want a FSI carbon air box because I like carbon stuff.

My friends, who are obviously not as into cars as I am, don’t understand why I would have my engine rebuilt when it wasn’t completely worn out. Actually they wouldn’t rebuild their engines, there are too many $5000 Kias, Honda’s, and Toyota’s available. They don’t understand the pursuit for a better engine, better suspension, lighter wheels, better tires. They think I’m wasting my money, but guess what, I don’t have to answer to them. My wife understands and that’s all that matters to me. We all need to: Quit attacking people who spend money on FSI engines or purchase from LN. Quit attacking site sponsors and those who support them. Quit attacking people who LS or K swap their Porsches. Quit worrying about what someone does with their money or their Porsche. Worry about ourselves. We’re car guys and more specifically Porsche fans. We need to quit acting like junior high bullies.

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Maybe if you say it with enough conviction you will convince yourself that what you stated actually makes sense. I have driven/instructed countless different cars and I can honestly say that there wasn�t a single time that a dyno # meant a damn thing to me or at least not peak Hp on a dyno. I don�t even look at Hp when I buy a car, you don�t drive the dyno, you drive the car 😂 I had zero preconceived notions of what I was getting when I bought a FSI 4.0 and was totally open to being disappointed, but what I got was something that was anything but disappointing. The power/ power delivery, the torque, the silky smooth feel, FSI really does make something special. I could care less if you or anyone else approves, I don�t need anyones approval to give my experience legitimacy. That said, I figure the least I can do is provide others with my experience to help balance some of the BS from you and others who clearly have an agenda.

Every newbie early on thinks they need more horsepower to go faster. Then they look at the costs. Some take the cheap route to more horsepower. Others take the expensive route. The route you take is your call. But the cheapest and most efficient way to more speed around the track is to get seat time and learn how to drive faster against more competitive drivers. For those newbies that have a difficult time with this, may I suggest a comfort blanket, or a comfort animal that may help in controlling your emotional meltdowns. Why, because I care. 🙂

My track fun/adventures are about getting the most out of the experience. Trying to squeeze the most out of the car that my abilities allow pushes my adrenaline fun buttons. Club racing allows drivers to see how they compare to similar platforms. There are always faster cars and drivers. For most of us, there are no professional seats that will be offered. Thus, my own goals are to have a ton of fun and push myself to be a better/faster driver in whatever car (with its' specific quirks or great attributes) I am piloting. Further, it is all about the friends and fellow drivers that I have the pleasure to interact. At the point that is no longer fun, I'm out. Thankfully- there is no single car/platform (street or track) that satisfies all drivers. I am certainly glad we are not all forced into a one platform choice for all.

Not a car guy, not a mechanic, don’t race but I do have 2 911s that I drive the **** out of every day for the past 3.5 years. My 996 4s came first, found RL forum and was hooked on learning about these cars from the amazingly smart and dedicated members, including FSI & LN. One year later I considered myself lucky to buy, 2nd hand, my 997.2 FSI 4.0. Got a great price on an amazing car. I’ve never had it put on a dyno, have never seen a dyno report if it exists, and would happily volunteer my car if someone wants to pay for a professional dyno test just to end this silly argument. What I can say is when I recently pushed the car up to 159 before needing to slow down, it still had plenty of push left in it. The last thing I was thinking about was “I wonder what the dyno graph looks like”. Let’s try to communicate civilly and avoid talking politics/religion/and $ and stick to how much enjoyment our cars give us. Now on with the show…

Couldn�t agree more, the best track car I have owned was a full track prepared S2000 with 200 whp, that I didn�t care about 😂. My goal with the 4.0 was not to make a faster track car, I will probably track it very little. The extra torque will certainly be nice and the build significantly reduces the worry of scoring, but my 997 isn�t a track car.

I have a Boxster S with a FSI 3.6 . Also have a 996 C4 with a FSI 3.8 . Rear wheel HP is 282 and 318 . I have a paper copy of the Dyno plots in my records . Fun to talk about but doesn't mean much to me . How do the cars drive ? Both pull like freight trains with linear power . Both start hot or cold perfectly every time . Both get better fuel mileage if you drive sensibly . Been driving the Boxster since 2015 with the 3.6 . It's as reliable as a stove . I sleep well knowing all the known weaknesses have been taken care of . This site is supposed to be about car guys , specifically Porsche car guys . I just don't get the arguing about FSI/LN . They have created a business that serves the community . And you have to pay to play . It's called a business model . You can choose to use their service or not it's totally up to each consumer. And that's how it should be .

What I find a concern is that haters want to tell me how to spend my money! they don’t know me or hang with me but they have too strong of an opinion on me I like my car and I’m not a kid so customizing my own car to my preference is really to satisfy ME… as I’ve said many times I applaud any company that is producing goodies for a 20+ year old car

This thread... Yall realize no one on this 996 forum purchased their car for the vast amounts of power they make. In a similar sense, I doubt a person who purchases an FSI M96 is looking for Tesla Plaid 1/4 miles numbers either. I can spend $20k on my C6 and probably have a better car all around than any FSI 996, but its not about that for me. For power, it makes more economic sense to plop an LS motor in their 996, but you no longer have a Porsche engine, or the Porsche engine sound, or the Porsche engine center of gravity. Maybe those factor into the economic decision of buying an FSI motor. Maybe they're not THAT important to others who would rather drop in a K, LS, or 2.7... At the end of the day, we all know there are much better ways to use our money, but its all about smiles per mile.

I want to publicly apologize to all you guys, and @hacker-pschorr who I have offended with my opinion on a $75,000 380HP M96 engine being about the dumbest thing I have read on this forum, doesn't matter who makes it. I do however encourage each and every one of you posting here to go pick one up and enjoy, tell others to as well !

I recently read a review of backpacks made for carrying laptops (among other stuff). There was a bag in there that cost $450. Since I buy the $45 ones at Best Buy I was somewhat affronted at that number, but it got me curious -- just how much can one spend on a laptop backpack? So I googled. Turns out that it is astonishingly easy to spend over $1000 on any of a few dozen offerings. There is of course a Gucci bag at $2700, although it's technically not a backpack. If you want to spend that much for a backpack you need to go for the $2800 Bally unit. But then you'd only be embarrassed when your cubemate showed up with their $4200 Bottega Venata. People and their money. Sigh.

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I wonder if on the computer bag technical forum people are allowed to voice a negative opinion on the $4200 bag for its price Vs. performance ?

@zbomb when you next heading to NJ? let's take the FSI for a spin when you do.

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I'll likely be in Fairfield end Q1 for a couple days. Can we get hot dogs ? If so, I'm in.

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If you ever get to Columbus, Ohio when there isn�t snow on the ground consider that an invite here as well. I absolutely get the $ thing, people spend crazy $ on things that make me scratch my head. I had a buddy who spent $30k on a watch! I don�t even wear a damn watch, but it was neat to look at the fine details and talk with him about what made it special. Quite honestly what I enjoy most about buying nice things is seeing others get enjoyment out of them as well. We don�t have an over the top home, but it has some nice features and is larger than 3 people and a puggle need. But it is always open to whoever wants to visit. Right now half my family has been here all week and they can treat my home like theirs. My sister grabs my S4 whenever she needs to go somewhere and everyone enjoying my stuff makes it all worth it.

Timex vs Rolex I had one of the first Ironman watches and the factory battery lasted 6 years. Would I put Timex guts in a Rolex chassis?? Nope, but thats just me...

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Mid-O is bucket list, not sure my car will be vetted well enough for next year but it's on the not too distant horizon, thanks for the generosity. We all assign value to items as we see fit, and thats the way it should be. When it comes to a healthy, inclusive 996 community - these are things that should be debated and defended from our perspectives. This can give new entrants to the community the knowledge they need to assign value based on their perspective and what they have learned through our debates and conversations.

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Hot dogs at Rutt's Hut...deal!

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i just can't believe that someone would decide to manufacture a product and sell it in this country. What the hell are they thinking? God forbid someone buys it. 😳

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I literally spit out my drink reading this one... He's right also.. Look people can spend money how ever they want on whatever they want.. I can also comment on those decisions. This also gives you the right to comment on what I do as well.. My wife laughs at me all the time for stuff i do but it's mean i start yelling at her (unless your a weak person) Everyone just needs to roll with the criticism and stop being so defensive. I'm a firm believer in "to each their own" I mean after all you all do realize it's the internet right?? This place cracks me up..

Porsche technical discussion areas >996 forum > JakeRaby skunk works testing-day one……….am I missing something?

You missed the typical RL 996 rabbit hole....like black holes they suck the conversation in unique directions...

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^^^^THIS

FSI motor is expensive and I believe one of the best builds American muscle motors generates lots of power cheaper so why start with a car that has a weight of 3300+ pounds get a Miata add the V8 and go rocketing cheap and powerful in the end of the day FOR ME a 3.8 track performer motor is a goal it will have a Porsche engine in a Porsche body because I’m just built that way

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Wonderful woman you have there! You are a lucky man.

I actually bought my 997.2 FSI 4.0 for my wife but unfortunately she never got the chance to drive it. Hope everyone has a great New Year's Eve and a great 2023. Remember to keep things in perspective and don't sweat the small stuff!

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If they were I still doubt they'd be thrilled about ad hominem responses. I'll have a FSI 4.0 in my targa in 6 months or so, hopefully. I'll extend another invitation. My car isn't track oriented, fair warning.

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I'm confused... For the record, nowhere in this thread, including all the posts that @hacker-pschorr was kind enough to one sidedly delete did I tell anyone how to spend their money, but you did haha. I have been inferring to the fact I think it's dumb to spend $75K on an M96 - which I do. If you choose to do it, good for you, if you don't, in my opinion, better for you but I really don't care what you do or don't do.

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what happens when you experience one of the 3 that have now been offered to you and decide that it is absolutely brilliant and how these cars should have been from the factory 😁. For the record I have just over $30k in my build.

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Last week I picked up my 996 from the shop where (I believe) you�re getting the 4.0. They had 986 with over 200K miles that had a FSI engine installed. Someone was willing to invest serious money in a Porsche that�s worth less than a 996. 30K is reasonable but he still wouldn�t be able to afford it. Anyone who would put an LS in a 911 should be treated like the people you see on the street carrying an �The End is Near� sign. You smile, laugh a little and keep moving away from them. Hmmm Rutt�s�.but that�s North Jersey Someone visiting the Trenton area needs a Tomato Pie

Jason it wasn’t directed towards you solo it was meant as a blanket statement to anyone who guides others what they need to do just like me you or anyone your way of spending your money is not my business

Will there be a service to have their trunks modded to accommodate another snorkel? After trimming the ends of the CSR, I don�t cut the ducktail myself.

I�ll try to bring us back to Earth� Most FSI engines are not characterized as the 75K R-Series option of 4.1/ 4.3/ 4.4L Very few of these are created, and I know the demand is still greater for them that what Jake wants to complete. He has his 2023 schedule booked and the only engines he is building are the R- Series once he finishes the first 8 engines for the new program. These are on his schedule to jump start the new program while the other FSI builders are completing the existing backlog from the old program. All that I know is over the past 10 months I have personally dealt with all the R-Series owners and all of them have been more than satisfied, no matter what that may have cost them. They don�t care, so why should anyone else?

@BRS-LN Your composure through this exchange and past dialogues is admirable. Respect for not stooping to trolls.

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When it comes time to rebuild my motor, I want you guys (Jake) to tell me what parts to use and what wheel HP I can expect on a dynojet....since I'll be buying the parts from you

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Pretty sure some of the parts have proprietary specs to just FSI. I think they have videos and even had classrooms, but as far as I know they don�t provide free advice. In other words pretty sure you either buy their engines or figure things out on your own.

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well they arent building engines and i'm buying parts from them so it isn't exactly free

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I am not sure where you got that they are not building engines, they are building and selling through LN. Like I said as far as I know you cannot buy any of the FSI parts, you can only buy a built engine. Now the intake and exhaust he made you can possibly buy separately even if you don�t have an FSI engine, perhaps this is what you mean?

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People get way too upset about this stuff. I mean obviously, these built engines are great and if you can get astronomical amounts of money for building one then why wouldn't you? I've always kinda been torn on what I would do if my engine grenaded.

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Oh oh I know ! Cause the performance/dollar ratio is loooooooow. Most people I know with astronomical amounts of money didn�t get that way by not looking for value. If you�re engine grenades and you need to replace it, for the best Porsche value, I would suggest looking into the factory short block route for a better performance / dollar ratio. If the intangibles matter, and you want to say you had your engine rebuilt by the best, I believe you�re paying a lot more for that badge and 30HP over stock. That is a value for some and I�m not discounting it, just not something I care about when compared to performance.

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Sorry - missed this. If I think I it�s a good value, I�ll say so. If I think the performance is hugely better than stock, I�ll say so. If the thinking is I�m afraid to admit I�m wrong, most of what I�ve learned in my life has started from admitting I was wrong about something.

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This is fairly accurate. Im certain that we�ll never sell the items that FSI has created for engine internals outside some of their camshafts that we�ve already been given. The other items that we have already started to sell are the FSI V- banded X pipes with the FSI performance catalytic converters. The FSI carbon air boxes are next, and lots of other bolt ons. Expect to see quite a few FSI specialized tools offered in a few months. I would not expect that we will see the FSI internal parts until Jake�s current (20+ Year FSI veteran) employees hit their retirement age and he can stop building engines completely. That�s still 5-6 years away. Till then the whole crew is enjoying a less stressful schedule, with no deadlines and no budget constraints with the new program. Seeing things transform from the old program to the new program has been very interesting. I have never learned so much in less than a year before. The knowledge of everyone between both LN and FSI is nothing short of astonishing.The way that everyone gets everything done is not something that I�ve seen at the corporate level that I came from. Nights, weekends, holidays� No one ever stops.

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Just a quick question, are you ever going to share who you actually are? I think it's kind of rare to have a vendor so active here and not have a name to put with the information being posted. Maybe you aren't one person although your posts indicate you are.

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Three of us here at BILT/LN use this account, as well as Jud at FSI. Once the transition is complete Jud will be the primary using this account, but according to the message and focus any of us may utilize the account. Based on the other corporate accounts here I think it is customary for the poster to be nothing more than a messenger. The person bringing the message should not mean more than the message they are providing.

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Two quick questions. (1) When do you think you will have a comprehensive list of new products available? (2) When will the next round of testing videos be released? Thanks

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I wouldn�t expect any more testing videos to be released. The list of products is something that Jake has. We will not know what else he has planned until it is completed and ready for sale. I know that one of the major things he is avoiding is release dates and schedules. Things are done when they are done.

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Interesting....

It's surprising to me that a motorbuild for any car can cost $75k and inquiries about such a build are met with: 1. Complete secrecy such that no one but FSI and the owner knows why it's $75k 2. Posts about airbox and exhaust testing with limited price/performance information. 3. Most questions are met with "submit a ticket" responses. 4. No info about how the FSI AOS solution will improve upon the UOAS. 5. No info about how oiling issues are addressed aside from nebulous responses. 6. And finally it seems that you get a motor that still shouldn't be driven around town below 3,000 RPMs, could still suffer from borescoring in suboptimal conditions, etc. Meanwhile a Deman 4.5 (admittedly a completely different generation of engine but still a flat 6 with similar displacement) costs around $30k, the company is engaged with the community with substantive responses, dyno sheets are available, etc. None of this matters since I'm not in a financial position to afford even a basic FSI motor and probably never will be. Ultimately I'm glad that Jake et al. have found a niche that is profitable and fulfilling for them but it can still be confusing to a casual observer or even someone who is trying to figure out how to resurrect their car with motor issues. Maybe this is just me being salty because I love my 996 and acknowledge that someday I might need an engine for it.

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Understand that most every point you have brought up has been greatly impacted by a huge transition that began 10.5 months ago when FSI tagged their line. Now that we�ve reached 2023 the phones will be forwarded to LN and Jud will come on board at LN March 1, 2023. During this time of transition the only real goal has been to reach the �EOL� (end of line) on time and on budget for all those who were already committed to FSI. Once the EOL is successfully reached, and transition has occurred things will change. EOL is scheduled for June 30, 2023 but I�m guessing that FSI will reach it 3-5 weeks earlier than that. That said, the things that you are wondering about were always shared in the quarterly sales webinars that FSI held with those who were interested in a purchase. I was only around for the last one of those, but it was scheduled to be 4 hours and ended up being over 5 hours of detail about exactly what the buyer was getting. These things were never shared outside of this webinar format. Ask anyone who sat in on one of those, and they will tell you how in depth the information was. The one that I sat in on led to 17 engine sales out of 26 attendees. Those 17 people ended up being the last of the old program. To clear up your final point: Nikasil doesn�t score, and all FSI engines use Nickies by LN, dating all the way back to the very first one.

I can absolutely add that as a customer transparency and communication is exceptional. They send monthly news letters and have numerous webinars. Why this isn�t available to non-committed customers I can only imagine the frustration of �tire kickers� with something like this. I think this whole thread is a pretty good example of what FSI might get 😂.

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It's a highly customized build. The only person that deserves to be told what is being done is the owner. If you're not the customer, it's not your business to know unless the owner decides to share it with you. I opted to go with the Track Performer Stage II 4.0 build due to costs. I could have gotten an R40, but chose not to. No one was forced into buying an R Series. My Stage II has some additional options that I added. My engine might be similar to other Stage II builds, but there are differences that I chose to make. Actually this was shared with current FSI owners. A specific HP was not shared because it's a "it depends" answer. Put the intake on an engine (3.8, 4.0, 4.1, 4.3, etc) and the HP difference will vary. But Jake did share with us about how much it would help the 4.1 that it was tested on. But he mainly stuck to quoting CFM differences since that won't change between engines. It was also something he could quantify. Trust me, it flows a LOT better than a factory airbox. Because that's the best way to handle questions. Trust me, Jake answers questions if you'll just submit a ticket. I completely understand using the ticketing system. (I use for my work myself, and don't answer questions from clients unless I get a ticket.) If it's not worth your time to open a ticket, it's not worth Jake's time to answer. Have you gotten information about all the specs for the 992.2? The FSI AOS solution is either still being developed or is in early testing or some other reason that it's not yet being discussed. It's very likely that Jake has not had time to do much with it yet because of the thousands of flow bench tests and hundreds of dyno tests he has run, or is about to run. He's VERY busy. Jake covered this in the 2021 webinar. It was one of the questions I had that was answered before I had a chance to ask it. I have not been told this about mine. The Stage II is still streetable and so is the R-series. Anything can "score" if you have a foreign object enter the cylinder. But with Nickies, you shouldn't have to worry about scoring if you change the oil and filters on the recommended schedule. I'm just speaking as a FSI customer who has been allowed to see some of the live testing of some of the new products.

I honestly get the hate, Jake has done business exactly how he wants and has been successful, it is exactly how we all dream of doing things. �Don�t like how I do things, pound sand I don�t need your business. Don�t mind how I do things and want to do business, I want you to complete an interview to see if I want you as a customer�.

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The UAOS was designed "specifically for the m96/7" to cure the many deficienies the factory crankcase ventalation system has had for 20+ years... The air/oil separator is modified in three ways to make it a Lifetime Part and to make it efficient .....then three more components are added to improve the safety, long term cost efectivness, ease of maintenance of the crankcase vent system. It is a complete system and although it was designed specifically for the m96/7, the scope of the Patented design is not limited to m96/7 and can be used on similar systems...

Happy New Year! Having spent so much time in Georgia recently the Dawgs have grown on me, though I�m Ohio State Alumni�� somewhere along the line I became an Alabama fan� The game was amazing! I can�t wait till you guys can see what is about to unfold in 2023 with LN and FSI!

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I hear you. There isn't a right or wrong choice here, it ultimately comes down to what you prioritize and there isn't anything wrong with it. It's always wild to me how much some of this costs like I could build a race engine for my Cobra and race engine for my MINI Cooper and still have money left over. I get there is always going to be a Porsche tax but its certainly a high price to pay.

Yep, we have too much bitching and moaning. Seems that everyone wants a box of tissues, comfort blanket and trophy with every product. What we should want is as many manufacturers as possible to design, develop and sell solutions for the 996. The market will ultimately determine their worth by sales volume. If the product or concept is successful, competitors move in providing more choice. If it's not, then the product space goes vacant. Certainly helps that 996 prices have gone up thru the pandemic and are now holding their own thru the economic mess we are in. But human nature is such that some folks get rubbed the wrong way and just can't stop bitching and moaning. Go figure. Comes down to looking at the available solutions and seeing what's right for any of us and then proceed forward. If no solution is right, then sell your car and buy something else. Don't know if I will ever spend $75k on any rebuild, but when I finalize what i want in a rebuild sometime in the future, it will contain the best of the best from LN, FSI, Skip and others. Why, because they are the guys that manufacture and design stuff specifically for the M96. Wouldn't be surprised to see a few more enter this space in 2023. Why? Because the M9X space is freaking huge and hot. If many haven't figured it out, we are going thru a second wave of new solutions being manufactured for the M9X engine that looks to be pretty damn exciting.

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Ya, me also... And I've built some expensive exotic motor sports engines. Many have ended up on the podium. Suppose its ultimately up to the consumer to decide if there is value in putting a $75g engine in a $30-40,000 20 year old car.... Some nice 996/997 TT or GT cars for 75k or under that would be worth considering for myself if a monster75k engine was also being considered... That 2.7T 450-500hp engine swap sure is looking better and better for 15k, with decent used replacement engines going for $1500 or less. From my research, even a DIY stock bore 3.4 re-nik'd properly by US Chrome or Millennium technologies, heads done right, and built using only normally needed rebuild parts,,, cost upward of 15k all said and installed & running good. and you still have a 300hp 5 chain M96 failure prone purist approved engine.... Is a 4.3 litre 75k 400+ hp 'R' engine still considered ok for the Porsche purist car...? whats the warranty on the R engines...? Not trying to insult anyone, just totally baffled that this extravagant 75k engine service is so in demand its backorded for many months. So it seems many find a great value in it. not judging anyone, just don't understand the rea$oning... jmho

Jake selects the R- Series jobs, so I will only tell you what I know: No warranty is given. Jake feels that if he can't break it that it won't break. I sat in on a conversation with a potential buyer and the person never even asked the question, Jake brought it up to him first and told him that if he needed a warranty to feel secure in the purchase that we could just end the call at that time. On the flip side of things one purchaser has two R- Series engines and has bought several more of various specs from FSI over the past 20 years or so. He has another engine being built now, which is a 4.1L 993 based power plant. There are no more back orders, so the wait lists that I see people quote of months or years are not correct any longer. Once the line was tagged last February the goal was to end backlog and commitments of time or money. The R- Series builds are just taken on one at a time, when Jake finishes one, if he wants to take on another. He has a list for those that he manages himself, and only he deals with the R- Series purchasers these days. I know he has a list of 4-5 after taking on an R40@4.1 last month so the demand is there. The issue is the common place items to support this are fading away fast. Aside from Jake not wanting to be involved in business any longer, the choice to slow down production was being made by shortages and NLA items. It seems that every couple of weeks something else is no longer available, or has a delivery time that is in the dozens of weeks. It will be very hard for someone new to enter this race and expect to finish it, because they won't be established. The companies that do get these components want their longest time customers to get them, and that is where adding FSI to the LN umbrella made sense. It allowed our already substantial buying power and position in the market to double. At LN we already have a huge advantage with the wholesalers that we source parts from, because these same companies buy and re-sell our products, most of which FSI has developed. They want to by from us, and they want to get the products that their competitors can't get- so they want to keep us happy. No one else in the industry shares this relationship, of the wholesaler not just feeding them with parts, but the same wholesaler also being a large purchaser of their products. This benefit and edge is how we have had parts in stock that no one else has, and sometimes we have to buy them all to maintain this. Being able to manufacture our own parts in house is also another benefit. This is where Jake has been a valued member of the team, being able to invent, develop and test things for LN to manufacture. Some of these are simple things, others are special tools, or exhaust systems, or full induction systems, or camshafts. Lots of these items FSI has been using for years, but they never sold them, simply because sales were a pain in their ***. Things as simple as gaskets and seals are hard to get, and most won't be easy to get in the future. The manufacturers are worried about feeding VAG new car production as a whole, and they can't risk losing contracts with them, so older cars and engines don't have the priority. This isn't limited to Porsche, or even imported vehicles. Lots of the things that are being offered have had manufacturing changes occur, and are not the same. As an example we've seen timing chains with the wrong number of links, fuel pumps bad right out of the box and knock sensors that had the wrong specifications. Pistons have to be measured in every axis and have crazy QC done to them, because no matter who makes them, they can have a QC issue after waiting 40 weeks+ for delivery. Lots of these defects can't be seen, so they have to be measured very objectively. The key has been balancing out how many engines FSI wants to build Vs the amount of engines FSI can get the parts to build. The answer is the production was cut in half, but the development of new products and testing has more than doubled, to bridge the gap. As you guys will see very soon, the new program is great for everyone (except the guys who think that this change is leading a void in the marketplace). Just a glimpse of what is required to properly QC all aspects of a piston.

Jake and I had a text conversation yesterday . He sent me a pic of something new coming down the pipeline for the exhaust . That's all I can say at the moment but there is some sweet products coming in the next few months !

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Yes, he shared a picture and some details with the other FSI engine owners. He didn�t give all the details, but his hint has me excited to see more. I think I know the �why�, but can�t wait to see if I�m correct.

Jake and Charles @ LN went well, well, above and beyond in the unique situation that brought us together. They are unlike most businessmen I've dealt with in my life, and though we have never met in person, I have the utmost respect for them and will defend their integrity against all challenges. Men of their word are a dying breed in today's society.

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I've gotten bits and pieces of that story.

I'm one of the people who locked into the old FSI program for Q2 2023.The end of the line. I don't think my engine is the very last but it is very close. I feel lucky. I knew full well what the costs would be before I signed a single document. To be honest I had a pretty good idea even before I began exploring an engine from FSI. The engine, all by itself, is going to cost more than I paid for the car. Then there is the FSI-certified removal and installation, and on top of that there is all of the "while you're in there" stuff. When it is all said and done I will have invested far more than I can ever imagine getting back when I sell the car. And this is just the engine! I also spent a pretty penny refreshing the suspension. I have plans for the interior also. I could spend a bunch of time and energy explaining to you all why I did what I did. I won't. It boils down to this: when I'm done it will be the Porsche 911 I want.

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Great attitude! You will enjoy whatever you are having done, I am sure as the FSI engine AND process is fantastic.

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According to the order the engine blocks are processed in here at LN, you could be very last, or second to last.. Pretty epic spot to be. Since your job was being carried out as a �Premier� using the Certified Installer you are actually following the same procedure as the new program. FSI has completed 14 �Premier� jobs per year since 2015. Each installed by a Certified Installer following the checklists from engine extraction to first start and logging data for the first 120 miles. The new program really isn�t new- it�s the same as the Premier program, but the difference is that now it�s the only way to get an FSI engine. The whole Premier program is worked out and has been for years, so it was time to move all engines to this platform, and simplify things.

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@lnengineering Does LN QC all piston sets that they sell at retail with their Nickies service? I ask since I just received my block and Mahle pistons and am wondering if I need to inspect them. And the K1 rods.

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mr. Bruce you should be getting real ansi about your car. Anyway since you have some inside into The development, should I buy the x51 manifolds or should I wait to see what FSI will be selling. This is for the 99. Anyway on another subject and sorry for deviating this my recent experience with VIOC where i took my turbo for an oil change is a total fiasco and reinforces that you in a way, pay for the knowledge and expertise. Never go to a wack something as simple as an oil change has ended up in god knows what. If you want details go to the 996 turbo forum and read the thread Car will not go into gear. A final comment I want to solve the issue and get my turbo back, when the upgraded tune is done the car will be close to 600 hp. That I�m Ansy to see and drive. For sale at Craigslist When these cars are running right, the adrenaline rush is unbelievable. As mr Bruce has said more power less weight. That shark blue manual 718 spyder with yellow accents,deviated stitching, yellow gauges brake calipers And seatbelts a sure beauty, however I got into the seat and believe it or not my 996s are more comfortable cars for me.

What do you get in performance improvement for $2,000?

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on older vws (16v sciroccos, corrado vr6, and gtis) we would gasket match with a dremmel and send the manifolds to get extrude honed. Decent performance gain but off course a lot cheaper. Just my thinking I have the Carrera s 3.8 airbox, the throttle body has been bored, I have the ipd plenum so maybe the factory manifolds could be the bottleneck. Anyway in case i blow the engine, I know where I got to get the build motor and all this extra performance stuff will just be bolted in to the new rebuild. This manifold has to be better how much I don�t know but maybe some state of the art 3D printed 20 year newer stuff would be awesome.

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All products manufactured and finished by LN Engineering see fully detailed QC before shipping. Of all the pistons offered, Mahle Motorsport has the best QC out of the box. Mahle actually sends a card with the critical dimensions of each set of pistons, and no one else does this.

Luis, Have you upgraded your imsb and aos yet? X51 stuff won't save your engine.

As an FYI, since Deman was mentioned a couple of times on this thread, I sent an email to them asking if they did 996 M96 rebuilds. The answer was no. Seems that many of the quasi manufacturing/engine builders/speed shops or however you want to segment them are carving out spaces by engine type.

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This is true and I don't mind it at all. Allows them to specialize. For the M96 crowd, I've always mentioned the local/regional shops that support track cars being a great option as well as Hartech, which will be offering their services in US this year. Having choices is good and as a consumer it's what you should want.

Big market of 996, 997, 986, 987 cars that need stuff. Glad to see the renewed efforts of providing solutions in the industry. My focus has been and always will be encouraging folks to use their mechanical skills to provide solutions for our cars.

The X51 intake should flow better than the one you currently have. But the new LN FSI developed intake system will beat it BADLY. For the price, the X51 intake actually looks like a good deal, and could be sold later on if you really want more power.(FSI intake) The X51 should improve the airflow enough for your 3.4l...for now. The new LN FSI intake would be even better after a 3.8 rebuild. Lots of new exciting stuff is on its way that beats what is currently available...and I don't know all that's coming. Jake is still doing R&D so who knows when this stream of new products might end. I believe Jake has decades of ideas that he's only now getting to develop & test. What's nice to know is if it doesn't work, it won't get sold. We won't see stuff from Jake that robs power, or only add a few hp. Everything from Jake will be fully tested on a dyno, flow bench and on the street before it's turned over to LN. Too bad other companies don't do that kind of research.

I'm hoping LN/FSI will come out with a carbon fiber Tornado to replace our aluminum ones. But, it's gotta come with a high price, big claims and a multi-page short term warranty that excludes just about everything and blames other parts of the car if something goes wrong. Oh, and let me know the highest cost certified installer in my area. me holding my current one just before installation:

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3.8 "Track Performer" M96

DCS maybe your smart enough to make one for all the guys who don’t know how

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Maybe I'm jaded but under 300whp from a "built" 3.8L seems kinda weak.

With a 3.8 build it looks like you are picking up 30 hp over a 3.6 and 50 hp over a 3.4. Dont know what exhaust and intake he is using in the dyno. If we all learned something over the years, its that if you want even more HP you gotta go to a 4.0 or greater, add better internals, add better oil and water cooling, add better breathing with reworked heads, intake work and exhaust work that Jake is working on now. Wouldnt be suprised if Jake figures out the answer to the question we have all been asking which is how to get an extra 30 hp out of intake, exhaust and software tuning. If he does, that dyno may show 60 hp gains on a 3.8 build. Possibly 80 hp on a 4.0. If so, you are looking at an extra 20 hp over the 996 GT3. May be and extra 150+ on the 4.3. Question comes down to how much HP do you really need. I am personally looking for an additional 80-100 that's dependable and trackable when I eventually do mine. I don't need 120, 150 or 200 extra hp. It's a waste of money. Can't ever use it on the street or track. Quite frankly you dont need it. All I need is an extra 50 hp on a 2 mile long track and 100 hp on a 4 mile long track and I will be in the top decile in times against the new 911 models. It's the straights that you need the hp. Longer the straight, the more hp you need. FWIW

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This is from 2017, and based on the curves I'd question if the car was a tiptronic. If this was a Stage II engine, at 3.8L it would have been based from a 996.1 @3.4L, being a 5 chain. If this is the case, the engine is up a solid 40HP at the wheels, since the stock 3.4 usually makes 240-244 on the FSI Dynojet. If the engine were based from a 996.2 and were a Stage II it would have been a 4.0, not a 3.8. The only deviation possibility in this is if it were specifically ordered as a 3.8 for some various reason which would be really odd. Lots to question with this plot, including why it was dug up from 5+ years ago and strategically posted. We do not know what exhaust, or airbox the engine used, among pretty much everything else.

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Or you could just bolt some stuff on like this guy did. ​​​​​​​

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Here’s a recent FSI plot. doesn’t look like it’s up 40HP

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it is, if you account for that graph being at the wheels with a ~20% driveline loss. So even conservatively, that lump is making over 380hp at the crank.

I get a kick out of this. I never met Jake nor talked to him. But I have watched his videos and read his responses to questions and comments on Rennlist. But if I was Jake, who seems to be a highly competitive guy, I would take the LN/FSI opportunity as a chance to gain a big *** competitive edge in engine rebuilds and performance enhancement beyond what has already been done, as well as develope an alacarte menu of solutions to make sure that every one of my competitors heads were spinning. And... I would sell the hell out of high priced custom builds for $75k to whoever wants to buy then, sell the hell out of my exchange program builds to every one that wants a complete engine to drop in their car, and sell the hell out of every one of my individual components that i have developed to all the do it your selfers. In essence, I would want to dominate the M9x market and tell all my competitors to go back to the air cooled market. But what do I know.

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Isn't that what a 996.2 GT3 does?

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yep

Jason, you are lucky to get 260 hp at the wheels in the 3.6. Looks like a 30-40 hp gain to me.

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OK, I can see that. I don�t really care about crank numbers, or estimated crank numbers but, sure. I can see where you�re coming from. I misunderstood what @BRS-LN was saying in his comment but think I�m straight after re-reading.

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Did you not see the graph of the bolt on car ? It�s just above�

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Yeah, I see it and think it's bs.

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OK.

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That's a Stage 1, and at 3.8 I would guess it was based from a 3.6 which normally makes 265-270 RWHP on the FSI dyno based on the plots I dug up. 318 from a Stage 1 would be up nearly 50 over stock 3.6. My comment about being up 40 was compared to what we assumed the other plot was referencing from 2017, considering it was from a 3.4 base that normally hits 240-245 at the wheels stock, and was up to 285 on the plot from 2017. Seeing random plots without knowing what they were built with, and what the combo was really doesn't mean very much. That is unless someone wants it to so it better fits their narrative/ agenda/ opinion/ marketing scheme. He probably would, but he isn't well and is only focused on getting to the end of the line with the builds that were already sold. That should be finished up in less than 6 months. It takes a long time to beat the RMSF and he is still being treated for it again now. From what I understand it is always there and can go into remission, but then come back if the planets get out of alignment. He clearly doesn't want to compete with anyone other than himself anymore. I understand why. I have learned that he always has a trick up his sleeve, so who know what else he is thinking and doing. He doesn't want to sell anything, which is where we come in. The new program will have a ton more opportunity for DIY as well as services that Certified Installers can offer at their remote locations.

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Sorry man. There is no way in hell you can get peak 310 at the wheels from an oem 3.6. Thats a 50 hp gain from what? Sign me up. Bore it out, rework the heads, intake, exhaust software. Sure.

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I think that it is corrected for driveline loss.

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Crank is 320 new. Wheels is 260. So either the dyno is showing 310 at the crank (adjusted) or its showing 310 at the wheels. Moving from 320 new to 310 at the crank after 18-20 years is realistic. Moving from 260 new to 310 at the crank after 18-20 years with the parts listed is a cruel joke.

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This one too ? ​​​​​​​

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​​​​​​​That looks like race gas to me. The torque is very low for that much peak power based on what I've studied.

Remember the thread I started a number of months ago on how you can "game" a dyno? I am not suggesting the 996 owners are full of bs, I am suggesting that many of the tuners are. Here is a question, how many tuners have we seen on RL discussing their tunes?

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Ahhhh.... Race gas works. Have enjoyed using it at the track a number of times. But I had to give up my lunch money for it.

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OK, thanks. Prob something wrong with this one too. ​​​​​​​

300 whp on a stock motor is totally do able with mods.. hell mine is over 300whp on a dyno dynamics.. on 93 .. not a big deal really ..

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​​​Didn't you do a dyno? Post it.

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Kinda....maybe not really. Although i have yet to dyno mine the factory sand bagged the numbers so the turbos would not look so bad. The gt3 motor regularly dynos over 370 rwh as a baseline before mods but i have seen mid 350s too. Also for low comparable money they will easily go over 400 rhp with a tune and exhaust. Example. https://www.6speedonline.com/forums/...4-996-gt3.html

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here you go... enjoy

Justin, Saw your dyno. 3.6 from 260 at the wheels to 300? Gain of 40 hp with exhaust, plenum, tb, software? I'll give you 20 in total since you have the FVD headers if i remember correctly, but will subtract 10 for age. There is a little gaming going on in the tuner world.

I think we all realize that Dyno numbers can vary for a variety of reasons. Comparing numbers is fun but probably rarely an apples to apples exercise . My 99 C4 coupe left the factory with 296 CHP which if we use 20% drive line loss means around 235-240 WHP . My 3.8 Stage 2 made 318.55 WHP a few months ago on the FSI Dynojet . Using that same 20% driveline loss that's 380-385 CHP . So I gained in the neighborhood of + 80-85 WHP . But the numbers are just part of the equation at least for me . The way the car runs and performs can't be quantified by numbers . It starts like a stock engine hot or cold . Zero drivability issues . Engine sounds better ( subjective ) from idle to redline . Power delivery very smooth . So overall I am just delighted with the results . If what FSI/LN provide is for you then great . If it's not that's ok to . As the saying goes there are more than one way to skin a cat 😋

Comparing different dynos is pretty worthless. Hell some are even hub dynos that are damn near crank hp. I remember there were two shops in the area back when I was in college, one had a mustang that was referred to as the �heartbreaker� everyone hated it. The other had a dyno that would give people what they wanted to see and was literally 10% or more than the other shops dyno. Everyone loved it. Back to my comment a while ago, I could care less about dyno #s, it is all about how the car drives. In fact I could care less if anyone approves of my purchase. To me the whole purpose of this car/these motors is being in a position in life where I can pick and choose what opinions matter. And to those who want to try to make more power with bolt ons or swap to a different motor manufacturer. I say hell yeah! Hopefully your car provides you the same level of enjoyment mine provides me. I am not sure how enthusiast boards where people all share the same passion always turn into this. Well that is a lie, it is ego 😆

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LOL you my friend are special.. no gaming going on here.. as a matter a fact all he did was dyno it with 3 runs.. nothing more nothing less.. this was also on a dynodyanmics dyno vs a dyno jet which show higher numbers.. Edited� all I have is FVD headers, FVD catless x pipe, FVD tune, and Fabspeed Maxflo exhaust also

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Spread the love

Also in a mezger if u wanted to build it less then 14k in parts gets u this. Although this is based on a 997.2 it can be done to my motor

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Do it and make a thread about it! I would follow the build.

I'm not surprised that we can't compare any dynos. Environmental condition differences give enough reason to argue, let alone calibration, or lack thereof, differences. (or tuner preferences...) Our MFG line has 5-8 machines for 5 different processes. Other processes have 2-3 machines. Keeping them all corelated is a full time job for one person. All they do is go around and make measurements with some standard tooling and make adjustments to calibration curves, EVERY DAY. And this is in a 1K clean room with controlled temp and humidity. How often does a dyno get calibrated to a standard and corelated to all the other dynos? Come on... For me, the only dyno work that can be compared are differentials made on the same dyno with close to similar environmentals. We always seem to be talking about horsepower. What about torque? I thought the ability to move a car was some combination of both. My curve above shows above 255 at 3K and above 280 at 4K and stays above 270 out to 6K. The others don't show this type of shape at such a low RPM. Certainly that's worth something in a street car. I can tell you, this car is completely different with this engine. And it's quite a bit stronger with 8K miles on it. Butt dyno, sure(having tight Ohlin's helps this I would bet). But where can I go and get a dyno that would give me a similar corelated reading with the FSI dyno? I can't. So we're left with how sensitive my butt is. I would say it's 40hp more than when I got it. Sorry. And now I have this!!! Happier butt dyno comin' up!! Unfortunately, it needs to wait for the walnut shell intake cleaning to get finished on my Cayenne... Stay tuned.

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A good example of why peak whp doesn't tell the whole story. There's a lot more here than 309whp vs 318whp. 3k rpm FSI +40whp / +75wtq 4k rpm FSI +60whp / +85wtq 5k rpm FSI +30whp / +30wtq Not to mention the 3.8 FSI motor has stock exhaust, AC, and passes CA emissions whereas the 3.6 race motor is straight piped, no AC, electric PS, and a life expectancy of less than 100 hours.

I am a huge FVD fan and a huge fan of there "tuning packages". Here is their "top of the line" tuning package for the 996. It includes software, headers, xpipe as well as Schrick cams. It's good for ~30 HP and ~30 TQ. This was FVDs version of an X51 package. Think about that. +30 but you have to put in the cams. Bolt on performance gains don't come easily. But big gains come from a combination of boring out the cylinders, head work, better internals including cams, better use of induction, headers, cats, and software.if you don't believe me, click on the FVD link and see what they have in their package. https://www.fvd.net/us-en/FVD9961002...2-tq-race.html

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pretty close to a SULEV/ULEV with stock cats and 91octane gas.

You can have a bunch of power but all of it may not be usable. Anyway on accelerometers I have seen 4.6 seconds to 60 on my early 99. Yes it�s modified and light weight and not I don�t hit the rev limiter. Now I don�t now if this engine was ever rebuilt. All I know if that it pulls real strong and on 2,500 miles oil changes it doesn�t uses any oil. Right know it has 101k miles. Every so often I do put a 50 percent mix of 104 race fuel. I clean the maf, run Techron and use CRC GDI thru the intake.

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Hello everyone, I was searching for some horsepower numbers and came across this thread with this post and something caught my eye: What caught my eye at the bottom of the chart is the listed correction factor of 1.07 which is pretty high. Then looking a little closer, I noticed the reported atmospheric pressure at 27.55 in-Hg which is pretty low, and unusually low at that. Just how low is that actually? According to this link: https://steemit.com/science/@mikeham...and-hurricanes 27.55 in-Hg is listed as a Category 4 hurricane. Now my interest is really piqued - was the car dyno'd during a hurricane? So I decided to see what the weather conditions were for that day on 2/2/2015 at 2:30 pm, and I found it here: https://www.wunderground.com/history.../date/2015-2-6 I was disappointed to find that there was no hurricane . And scrolling down to 'Daily Observations', I noticed that the 'Temperature' was very cool at 50 degrees F which is a nice temperature to dyno in and will not cause an elevated correction factor like a high temperature would. Now take a look at the 'Pressure' column at 2:23 pm and 2:39 pm, it is listed at 29.64 and 29.65 in-Hg - note that this is WAY higher than what is shown on the dyno chart above - something is NOT right... What is the significance, what is the big deal with these numbers? A lower pressure recorded at the dyno will result in a higher correction factor which will raise the reported numbers . So let's take a look at what those hp numbers should be by reverse-engineering them. It's pretty simple as you'll see. First, we'll find the uncorrected rwhp number using the following calculation: Non-Corrected rwhp = rwhp / (SAE correction factor) Non-Corrected rwhp = (309.30 rwhp) / (1.07) = 289.07 rwhp So the car dyno'd at 289 rwhp with NO corrections made. So the next question is, what should be the actual correction factor used? I'm not sure about that, but since the ambient temperature is 50 degrees F, maybe there isn't one. Regardless, it's easy enough to do the calcs with various CF's, so I'll use a range of 0.98 to 1.01. Below is the calculation used: Corrected rwhp = ( Non-Corrected rwhp ) x (SAE correction factor) Corrected rwhp = (289.07 rwhp) x (0.98) = 283.29 rwhp Corrected rwhp = (289.07 rwhp) x (0.99) = 286.18 rwhp Corrected rwhp = (289.07 rwhp) x (1.00) = 289.07 rwhp Corrected rwhp = (289.07 rwhp) x (1.01) = 291.96 rwhp So we see that the actual dyno number listed in the chart above should be much lower. But the big mystery here is why did the dyno think there was a Category-4 hurricane raging outside based upon its reported pressure of 27.55 in-Hg? Obviously it appears that there was an issue with the pressure gauge - was the gauge defective? Or did someone manipulate it to read lower in order to raise the correction factor, which in-turn increases the reported rwhp numbers? What do you guys think happened with the gauge?

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This is also playing into the low torque I mentioned when compared to the HP that was made. This is an old plot using Winpep7, which is now 2 generations old in regards to dynojet software. I can tell it is V7 based on the logo and the graph characteristics. I'd say that the weather station was acting up, or at least hope that it was. Winpep 7 used the old Dynojet tower stack and some of those didn't have the weather station built in. The old place I worked had Winpep 7 and an external non dyno jet weather input. It worked ok but we had to keep stand alone weather in the cell to verify it. Winpep 8 has the weather built into the tower and this is in the ambient air of the test cell. This software doesn't have a way to manually change the weather, as far as I can tell. Dynojet stopped supporting the old tower and Winpep7 at least 2 years ago.

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super interesting. After this we all went to Bada bing, I should have lived in the prohibition era, hookers, clandestine liquor driving a 996 way above 100 mph running away from the law.

Here is a Dyno Correction Calulator... Most people say the SAE correction is more acuate than the STD correction and don't even know about the Motorsport Standard Atmosphere Correction Factor (MSA) ... There are several other corection factors that are used in other country's and the Dyno operator choses which one to use, or to use none at all.... Something is definatly wrong with that 27.55 in/hg baro pressure...

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Just going to leave this right here 😂

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^^^^This 👍

This thread is wild. It's great that people are developing products for the platform, and it's great that someone has built a business that can command the price of an engine 3 times what most of these cars are worth. You can argue all you want about the performance-to-value ratio but if people are buying it nothing will change. The reality is if there is a niche for something someone will carve it out. I get people that scoff at me because I want $X amount to detail their car, don't wanna pay it? Cool, I don't care, it saves me heartache. I don't care if Joe down the street does it for 20% less. In the end, it has no real bearing on my life.

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Why pay $3k for this when you can get Fabspeed/Kline for less with better finish and known quantity HJS catalysts for $500 less? Am I missing something here? I see no advantage to the added v-bands.

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Yes. You're missing the desire to pay for a bespoke product that has been developed with flow tests on the bench with measurable gains. How about we get off this d**k measuring/critical of other peoples' spending this thread has turned into. You don't want a FSI product? Fine. But others *may* find benefit and want to spend their hard earned $$ there. At the end of the day it's no harm to you, so give it a rest. This thread reminds me of people who criticize anyone buying a Zegna suit. "...but I can get a Nordy rack suit for $700 that looks 95% as good...!" Well, if that floats your boat, so be it.

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US vs Chinese steel 🤷‍♂️

It also allows quick swap to catless for track use.

Guys... I just want an airbox.

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I�m running fab speed x pipes no cats. The beauty is that I got them from Tex squirrel at a great price. With the headers and the fabspeed maxflo exhaust extremely light and great sound. You do smell a bit of fuel so it reminds me of an air cool. I�m in the price performance camp. I don�t even have $24k on my car yet, so again if it grenades on one of my supersonic trips �let it be�. A thing of beauty and extremely light compared to the factory cat set up. Let it rip This is stupid money Another one of the same stupid money examples. I�ll get my turbo at higher performance than this at less than $65k total in the car. To each his own.

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The finish wasn�t a consideration. These are built from 321 stainless tubing with 316L 3/8� flanges, and fully tig welded in USA by one human. The material is also USA sourced. The cats are not HJS, for a reason, and that�s not because of what they cost. These are also made in USA. The design ad size of the X cross section is specific and is optimized for big bore engines. I have seen the 11 different X pipes that Jake built and were tested back to back on various engines to find the best cross section for the widest power curve for big bore engines and ported heads/ altered camshafts. Anyone who has installed the other systems will know that the location of the O2 sensors is less than favorable, however Jake put the sensors at locations where the wires are not stretched too tightly, and won�t try to contact the surface of the system where they will melt. With these products you are getting the benefit of people who have fought and dealt with quality and design issues related to other systems for 2 decades while they have been tasked with installing them. Due to this they know every deficiency of every system and have ensured those things will not exist with the FSI product. That�s the whole reason the products were created in the first place.

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does that detail make a difference?

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Absolutely. The 5 chain engine has 25 degrees of valve timing adjustment compared to the 40 degrees of the 3 chain. The camshaft profiles are also radically different and the 3 chain also features Vario- Cam Plus with Additional valve lift over the conventional arrangement of the 1st generation 5 chain.

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So if you're looking to build a motor, its best to start with a 3 chain?

Sorry I missed the discussion last night. I bought this from LN Engineering over the others because of all the above. I've gotten to know Jake and Jud over the past couple of years through my engine reconstruction. I understand the rigor that goes into his developments. His knowledge of how these machines work comes from hands on experiments to understand the limits of and how he can modify/optimize whatever system he's studying. I've been able to watch his development of the upcoming induction system. Component flow testing, redesign, repeat. Then assembly level bench testing, optimization. Then car level testing on the dyno. Knowing this type of detail went into the design is worth a few dollars more, like any performance brand. And it's made in the USA. Surely the relationship I have with him and his team creates a huge marketing problem for anyone else. Would I buy the $75k engine from him? Not at my current income level. Maybe triple. But then my circumstances would have been different from the start and maybe I would have never heard of FlatSixInnovations or LNE and I'd be spending $75k on some other luxury/performance thing. Life rolls on.

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Definitely!

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Jake Raby has come out in many videos stating that the best 996s are the early 99s. Watch the renvission videos. Also the 99s have lokasil one which scores a lot less than lokasil two. Anyway why the heck don�t listen to me, look for the videos.

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Early 98 is a better built car. But 996.2 (3-chain with Variocam Plus) is a better more powerful engine. More HP (larger displacement & Variocam Plus) can come from rebuilding a 3-chain over a 5-chain. If rebuilding, you'll be replacing the Lokasil with superior Nikasil anyways.

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Only if trying to prolong the usefulness of the original engine. If you are creating a "best of everything" situation, the advantages of the 3 chain will create a better/more powerfull overall design...

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Very interesting. Appreciate the info

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This belongs in the "how to game a dyno" thread as well as here. Really interesting stuff.

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Agreed. The insight provided by Swaybar and Skip is an eye opener. Thank you gentlemen for turning it into simple english and providing definition behind how the inputs can adjusted and ultimately influence the dyno output. Dyno are helpful in measjribg incremental improvements from a base line start as well as in optimizing the curve. But an understanding of "garbage in and garbage out" is essential when comparing non related dyno graphs as it related to absolute peak performance. It would be smart for everyone that has an interest in measuring their HP/TQ to take a look at Skip's MAF thread. He provides the information on how to use MAF data to calculate it. You will need a durametric or other dme reader to do it.

FYI, last night Jake shared a newly developed item that's almost certain to become an upcoming product. (already has the LN & F6I logo on it) Jake's still in R&D mode. "Poor" LN is being flooded with new stuff to build and sell. Ha!

I'm still waiting for my FSI M96 or 9a1 coffee table that was discussed in the past....

First motor through the new program sold for $39k in less than 2 minutes after becoming available. I guess when you can move a product like that opinions of detractors don�t mean a thing 😂

Is that $39k all in? Meaning drop your car off at the required certified installer then drive away with the new motor installed and warrantied?

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not sure about all of it but I'm pretty sure no warranty is given unless LN has stepped up and offered one since they are the new owners / seller of the motors..

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FSI has always offered a 1yr for the buyer, my guess is these are the same. That is $39k just for the motor, you have to get a certified installer, which I expect would be $4-6k additional. Plus the coolant tank and other �while you are in there� add ons are going to add probably another $1-2k

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thats news to me as Jake always said no warranty for any engine.. glad they made the change

Great feature just released from Porsche Club of America. You Tube

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He definitely says a warranty should never be an issue because his engines don�t fail. TBH I have never heard of one failing and I searched pretty hard before committing to the build.

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Charles, you have built a hell of an impressive business! Congrats!

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there was one particular car that scored and had to be rebuilt. Even Jake came out and said that the owner did not drove the car properly high revs before warming up. He even rode with the owner a few times. Anyway yes, this business is like Morgan Stanley, where they clearly only go for the ultra rich. But at one point Morgan Stanley recognized that there where not that many ultra rich customers so they purchased etrade and another investment company eaton vance (I believe that�s the name). The difference here is not sure FSI will last as long as Morgan Stanley. Even Tesla now is discounting their cars in China and their owners are pissed.

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Haven't seen anything in the website except the standard 3.4 and 3.6 builds. If you have a link, please attach one. Seems that we will have plenty of option when everything is said and done.

As a second hand owner of a FSI build with access to the original contract, as well as talking personally with Jake, there was a stipulated 1yr warranty for the original buyer, subject to certain use limitations. It wasn't transferrable, didn't matter to me.

Curious - what happens if you have a reputable shop that you work with in your area but they are not a certified installer. What are the repercussions of going that route?

Yeah, I dont know why anyone would spend more than 5k on a car. My 2005 scion xb always starts when I put the key in and gets me to.the dollar store and back every time. It even has FM on the CD player. lol. It's amazing people on a PORSCHE forum can express disbelieve that someone could spend x$ on anything. Hell there are exhaust systems that cost more than I I payed for my first 3 cars. Anyway, whatever one thinks about Jake, he has set up an enviable business (he probably has one of the coolest man caves anywhere) And his research about the M9x engines is unmatched. If you havent listened to his performance engine recording, you should. It answers an astounding number of commonly asked questions...like why did my engine explode on the sweeper at Sebring?

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Stocker (and Stage I, I believe) builds this year came with a 1 year unlimited mileage warranty. My Stage II comes with a 90day unlimited mileage warranty. My 996.2 should be arriving via enclosed transport later this week. That reminds me, I need to go charge my GoPros. I'd like to video the first drive, but knowing me I'll say, "forget that, I'm driving it now!" Likely I'll video the second drive. Ha!

Happy to hear you’ll be thrashing it soon Tex !

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ahh so there was a change.. That is good news... I know you have be excited to get back behind the wheel.. have fun be safe and share videos and pics

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Yes, my 3.8 Stage II came with a one year warranty and he was very clear the warranty was only for me. I should add he told me it would be void if I got within 2 miles of a track.

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Since 2015 the only engines that were advertised with a warranty of more than 90 days were the "Stocker" by FSI. Other engines are advertised with NO warranty as standard, but extending a warranty was always up to Jake on a case by case basis. Often times he would extend a 90 day warranty on engines up to Stage II, sometimes he wouldn't. With the new program the warranty will be standardized at 90 days for Stage II engines. In the sale of the first engine of the new program that occurred yesterday (it sold in less than 2 minutes) the buyer agreed to the warranty, the contract and all paperwork before the purchase. Each member of the notification list received detailed videos produced by Jake that went over the engine as he was creating it, and each got to see the purchase agreements and warranty up front before the engine was offered. FSI has always done business in this manner, and we want to perpetuate this in the future, as LN fills the role of engine distribution and support. FACT: I had interaction with all 24 of those that were on the M97.01 Tier 1 notification list, and of those people only one even inquired about a warranty. No one inquired about warranty concerns after they were provided with the LN Engineering engine warranty that covered FSI 2737 that sold yesterday. These documents are very direct, have no fine print and are always agreed to up front. People have to decide if they are buying a warranty, or an engine. The first engine for the new program was posted to the LN Engineering store yesterday at 3:00. Those that were pre- qualified and on the notification list received the link earlier in the week. After the engine was sold, the link was removed.The FSI website doesn't share any information about the new program. It will not until the EOL is reached and all current backlog is completed, with all previous FSI obligations met. Those who are privy to the new program are limited to folks that have inquired about an engine with FSI since February 2022. These people were informed of the program change, offered a pre- purchase application, and filled it in. From there they were either classified as a Tier 1, Tier 2 or DQ category, based on the condition of their engine, miles on their engine, if their engine had been previously rebuilt by others or repaired. These things coupled to their location, level of modification of their car, application and how they answered the critical questions within the application are what the LN/ FSI review panel used for classification. Once classified they joined specific notification lists (based on the engine designation of their engine) where no promises of cost or engine completion were made, along with nothing being committal, and no deposits being taken. As engines are finished that match these lists, the members of the list are notified with pics, descriptions, and extensive videos of the engine being built- as it is being built. These things are not shared publicly, the only people that we are concerned with are those who are interested, and pre- qualified. This is working very well and will likely be maintained as the program matures. As far as "standard" builds being offered the only thing that FSI is interested in building are Stage II and Stage II "Plus" engines. The only thing that Jake is building are the R- Series when he wants to. When you offer an engine that has so many new parts, it is tougher to build the engines when shortages exist, so keeping everything at Stage II or greater makes the most efficient use of what we can get. As our own USA manufacturing increases here, these shortages won't matter as much. As time progresses you will see how FSI and LN have created a plan to ensure that no voids are left in the marketplace, when it comes to the "Stocker" and "Stage I" FSI engines. Seeing the LN/ FSI program go from concept to maturity yesterday with the first sale was very eye opening for all involved. The support that the new program has gotten from prospective purchasers and our Certified Installers has been amazing. To expand on this, Jake doesn't care how long FSI "lasts". In February of 2022 when he tagged the line, he did so to SHUT DOWN FSI permanently. Jake was sick and he was done with everything, and everyone. He started the business that became FSI in a barn with a dirt floor as a 13 year old kid. He achieved everything he ever wanted to, and doesn't care about anything beyond this. Having worked with him since last spring I can say that you will never meet a man who is like him. He cares nothing about success or money, he lives to create and he is extremely simple. To further this, the only way we were able to create the LN/ FSI merger was the fact that he cares more about his long time employees than himself. Jud is going LN in March to be sales and support for the FSI engines and products, but aside from him all the other employees are going to be retiring within 6 years. One of them has 25 years as a Raby employee, and the other has 19 years, so Jake decided to allow them both to retire where they wanted to stay. I am sure that Jake doesn't care how many engines are sold under the new program, he just wants the business to continue long enough so these people can reach retirement. I have not heard this, but I have seen it first hand. In the beginning I simply could not understand how someone could create such an empire from nothing and simply not even care about it, or strive to make it larger. I asked him how he did it, and he replied "I don't really know, I never thought about it much" To the point about the "ultra rich" being the goal, you could not be more incorrect. These people are generally the ones that I have seen Jake turn work down rather than accept it. Most of them do not see eye to eye with him and his ways, therefore he wants nothing to do with them. He does do a lot of personal (Aircooled) work for Miles Collier and REVs, but that isn't because of what Mr. Collier has, it is because who Mr. Collier is, as a person and the ties that both their ancestors have to S Florida in the early 1900s. The idea of the FSI program is to supply engines to people that truly LOVE the car, aside from what anything may cost.The program is about zero compromise, and being unapologetically direct in the quest of doing business the old fashioned way. ​​​​​​​ There's lots of people that have learned how to build these engines in a lesser capacity, within such an extensive parts and processes list, slapped together in literally 4 hours of assembly. We all know that 3 dozen more "rebuilders" could jump into this game and the demand would still be more than all of those people could handle, due to inherent issues that plague these engines. The key is to create the engine that you want to build, price it and target it accordingly, then treat people right. You can't go that way. LN/ FSI engines are only offered for installation by hand picked, trained, Certified Installers. I have not seen a single application be accepted where the purchaser demanded that their local shop be allowed to perform the work, just because that was convenient. Jake, Charles and Tony Callas have trained these shops in hand-s on classes. The program has grown with more domestic and international Certified Installers being chosen. These shops are being trained now, and all existing CFI's are having their training brought up to date with the latest information, practices and checklists. Programs are only programs if they have firm requirements that are executed every single time, so allowing anyone to become an installer would make the program be no program at all. That said, since vehicle owners are equally vested in the positive outcome of the engine project, and therefore always do as instructed, the program does include an option for the owner to DIY the engine R&R. @bgoetz used this program to perform his own work, with flawless results. The fact is that owners that just have a lift, the proper tools and mechanical aptitude have a better track record of installing these engines than those, since it is their investment that is at stake. Random shops that are chosen because they are quick, cheap, or convenient are not vested in anything. It is not their engine, or their car, and they have nothing to lose if things go south. In some cases they want things to go south, so the owner learns a lesson for not buying the engine from them, or so they can make more money due to a warranty issue. Certified Installers do have a lot to lose if they botch an installation; since they lose their status, their training, and all of the perks they get with being a CFI Most CFIs have been part of the program since it started in 2011, so they have enjoyed the constant technical support, and benefits. FACT: To date there's never been a single CFI botch an install with an FSI engine and zero issues with DIY efforts of engine owners doing the same work. The "Premier" program that allowed these engines to be built and then remotely installed started in 2015, so there'e been plenty of time for the first issue to occur. The new program is nothing more than the "Premier Program" that has been in place for 8 years. It has only been refined and put onto steroid injections. This program is maintained in a military manner through the things that Jake has created for checks and balances. Jud has been supporting these installs primarily since 2017, Jud and I will be working with the engine purchasers and the CFIs to ensure that all the checklists are followed through, and the information is logged during every aspect from vehicle drop off at the CFI through the first follow up with the purchaser after the vehicle is returned from the CFI. Though I have only been here for 10 months I have never heard of this. Nikasil doesn't score (as much as the guys that install iron wish that it would). Do you have a link to this content, as I'd like to review it and see what the back story is. ​​​​​​​

Yes, I agreed to my warranty when I signed my FSI contract. But it meant nothing to me and I had to go look it up earlier just to see what I had agreed to. In my mind, if I NEED a warranty the item I'm purchasing is crap! It it's well built it should last! I hate that everybody (except for FSI) is trying to sell me "extended warranties" for things that should last well beyond that period. If I NEED that extended warranty I don't want to buy your crappy product!

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Yeah warranties are for pussies! https://www.porsche.com/usa/accessor...tion/warranty/

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You Tube

@BRS-LN just checked my paperwork and you are correct it is only 90-days. Shows how important the warranty was to me, I didn�t even read it 😂. Fact is I felt comfortable enough after talking with Jake that it really didn�t matter. Hell I just read a post on FB about a guy who spent $75K on a 997 turbo motor through a reputable shop who offered a 1yr warranty. Motor blew up after a couple of months and they blamed a supplier of a rod or crank, supplier blamed them for a bad install, owner is left holding the bag. That story is all too common. The feeling that I got from both Jake and Judd is that I would never be left high and dry if something were to happen. That they would be just as interested in what happened and why as I would be. Did I get any written or even verbal indication that this would be the case, no. Would it be within their right to tell me to go pound sand, absolutely. And yes I was my own certified installer and the whole process went as well as a large project like that could go. Judd was very supportive and continues to be very supportive. He was on the phone during my 1st start and him and I have had many conversations since where I continue to update him on how well the car is running.

This isn't a knock against the new parts, I'm sure the parts being offered are of the highest quality. But I can't help but remember how many threads and posts I read on this forum where Jake himself would call out customers with aftermarket exhausts, intakes and performance parts on relatively stock non-built cars. But now all of the sudden because they are making them they are OK? No other manufacturer is capable? Theirs are the only x-pipes, mufflers and intakes on the market worth anything? Yes there is some absolute trash out there, I had my own experience with a bad x-pipe recently, but I find the quick 180 opinion flip on aftermarket intakes, exhausts etc. to be a tad disingenuous. I get it they will market their research/development and years and years of knowledge of the M96 as justification... and rightfully so. With that said, I would love to get my hands on every single one of the parts they are putting on the market. I'll bet everything about them will be great and I look forward to their support for the 996.

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You know the answer to this. Up until this point, nobody has put all of the bolt on parts together in aggregate to test and see what you really have. To put it another way, to see if they deliver the performance gains as promosed. So someone with experience, equipment and time can think it thru and refine the components for further optimization and enhancement. Then they can write a fully documented book about it. Quite frankly, I have been waiting for this for over 21 years for my 996. It's about time.

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I think that you�ve created the �spin� that you mention. I can tell you from my experience over the past few months that most of the things you guys have seen releases are not new at FSI aside from the carbon airbox. The other items have been used in some capacity for years on FSI engines. This is why it only took a matter of weeks for them to be standardized, refined for retail sale and brought to market. This issues with general aftermarket bolt ons is the fact that they were not developed by engine guys. Most of them were just made to fit the car, look a certain way and sound a certain way. I can�t speak for him, but if I had to take a stab at it this is what created Jake�s stance on those items. His biggest pet peeve is every aftermarket intake out there that utilizes the wrong cross section at the MAF sensor location, which alone is a design issue that cannot be overcome. This is a classic example of people designing things that do not know, what they do not know. Also, none of what FSI has brought to us is targeted toward stock engines. He still thinks that stock engines should stay stock on the outside. The items that FSI has developed are for engines 3.8 and larger with most all developmental testing being done on 4.0L/ 400 HP engines. None of these items are being built to compete with any other aftermarket part. The testing I have seen has only pitted these items Vs stock components on large bore, and large bore/ stroker engines.

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excellent. Is Rennsport in Sealy Texas a certified installer. Please let me know. Now if I wanted to spend $39k this is what I would buy. Not for my Carrera 2 but for my turbo. This engine has to be sick. Once again I�m in the performance for dollar camp.

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Rennsport in Sealy has a history with our programs, since it was originally started by Mike Callas, the father of Jake's co instructor, and our first Certified Installer, Tony Callas. Tony operates Callas Rennsport in LA as well as Carrus- Callas Racing, which currently has their 2nd home in the back of LN Engineering. You can see their cars in the recently released PCA video that was shot here at LN. Mike passed away a few years ago, and the family does not operate the location in Sealy.. Sealy is only 4 hours from our Texas "Super" Certified Installer, Mayo Performance. This is a bit too close and could cause some drama with competing shops, so we maintain only one CFI in Texas. If we decided to add more CFIs in Texas, they'd likely get the nod to begin the process. Everyone values engines and purchases differently. Ultimately it is up to the purchaser to think about priorities and decide if the car is worth it to them. Luckily the no pressure way these engines are sold, coupled to the time period that people are on the notification list allows them to really think about whether or not they wanted to do this. When I first came here I was reviewing proposals and noticed that all of them had a 48 hour cool down period after being sent out. Jake wouldn't even allow someone to sign a contract right away, he wanted them to think about it and really make sure that they wanted to do it. This blew me away, because where I came from we were trained to strike while the iron was hot, not allowing them the time to reconsider. Sure enough a file cabinet drawer was labeled "flakes" and it was about 2/3 full of proposals that were generated by people who did reconsider during that period over the past 20+ years. He kept all of these on hand, in case someone came back later the red flag was already raised. I now have that filing cabinet drawer in my office. At the end of the days, if you love the car enough to spend 39K for an engine, then you likely love that car enough to keep it forever. These forever people are who this program was built for. Jake is building the original engine for Miles Collier's very first Porsche this month. It is being resurrected into a completely perfect concourse example to sit in the REVs gallery alongside his 356 SC that has been running a Raby built 1.9L, 160HP engine for a couple of years. He received this car in 1965 when it was new, and he still has it today. This example of keeping the car forever is what has built the business that evolved into FSI. As long as 1% of 996 owners still want this, FSI will remain relevant.

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MC I believe Mikes widow owns the shop. Warren Evans is an awesome mechanic he just dismantled and assembled back my transmission for my 996 turbo. Justin Hudson from Hudson Motorsports in Porter Texas has been the mechanic on both my Porsches. Anyway I first met Warren in January 2021 and when I drove my 99 coupe there he basically did a post purchase inspection on my car, putting it on a lift charging me nothing for it. So in the Houston area that�s my choice as a shop. I met Justin latter thru Tex squirrel. Anyway Justin helps Tony callas in his racing program. You guys should definitely consider Rennsport as a certified installer. Texas is way too big of a market to only have one certified installer. I will leave my car at Rennsport in Sealy or at Justin�s in Porter overnight and I will sleep with no worries.

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I've seen Justin's name on the class rolls for the M96/M97 hands on class. Texas is a big place, but the goal is never to have a gross amount of installers, because what comes with that is not what the program is about. What seems to be convenient for the purchaser can create program issues that detract from it according to what Jake has experienced, and told me about. Generally the rule is that there will be no more than 1 CFI in a given PCA region, but I know that Jake has tried to keep that 1 per state.

@BRS-LN - maybe you guys could hook @TheChunkNorris up with one of those slick carbon air boxes when he gets home from his next deployment. I know he lusts one and besides being a damn fine American - he’d do a great job showing it off.

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Justin and Bruce (Tex squirrel) have taken the engine rebuilt classes, that�s how they met. I understand Jakes way of thinking, you guys want to be Ferrari and that�s fine. Limit production sell a sense of exclusivity. The military way, my way or the Highway. Perfectly fine. Wish you guys the best.

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@3/98 911 coupe just think of all the cool ad ons u can put on the car if u bump the dispalacement. U might hit warp 2 . Good to see u back in the n/a board.

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I�ve heard good things about rennsport and Mayo� the real question is why didn�t you post your most recent BBQ awesomeness

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I think that if you were able to partake in the FSI Owner�s Lounge (very active forum BTW) that you�d see nothing that supports your posted assumption. What you would see are a joyful bunch that have been through the same program and came out the other side pleased and proud. Theres no �elitism� even with members that have bought as many as 5 FSI engines for various cars.

Is there a Cliff's Notes version of this thread available? I'm confused.

19 pages of mostly speculation and opinions� Reads like a TV �news� show�😏

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Fsi which is now owned or partnered with LN-E is developing bolt in product for higher displacement m96 motors and taking over the FSI engine building program.

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If you knew Jake, you'd know he would shy away from the uber-rich. They're likely to feel entitled and superior and Jake wants nothing to do with people like that, and I wouldn't blame him! Last night he was telling us owners we should do our own work on our cars. (oil changes, clutches, etc) That's not something you tell the entitled rich guy.

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I "met" Justin during the M9x 101 rebuild class. I met him face to face after he'd taken the M9x 102 hands-on class. I opted for doing the "hands-on" at home and purchased a spare M96 to rebuild. Later I purchased Jake's DVD series and rebuilt the M96 again and eventually gave it to Justin. I believe Justin was also in the 9a1 101 rebuild class at the same time as me as well.

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So have I.

�That's not something you tell the entitled rich guy.� Most entitled rich guys can�t do much of anything for themselves - if they tried, they�d be losing $

Nobody wants a male or female version of a "Karen" as a client. They are unreasonable, emotional basket cases that feel entitled. They come from all socioeconomic backgrounds.

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I been extremely busy working all the details of the upcoming lawsuit against Valvoline and in addition to that in December I had a car accident where I was in somebody�s blind spot and since I was driving in the right lane, when they side wipe me, I even jumped to the sidewalk locking my brakes. The driver who hit me was at fault , anyway I had to get the police report. The other driver has the insurance that Costco sells American Family. I wouldn�t recommend it. The original estimate that this insurance company wanted me to settle for was less than 50 percent of what the Ford dealer estimate was. Anyway I think I�ll have this resolved this week. More than likely I�ll be smoking a tri-tip Tuesday. Doing Mexican breakfast this morning followed by spaghetti meat sauce garlic bread, Cesar salad requested by my son. Definitely beers, bourbons and football. Now I blend my own bourbons, like I make my own bbq sauce. Feast on the smoked prime rib roast. While I make some more. I didn�t have any other option but to jump to the sidewalk. Both cars were drivable. Anyway I�m grateful that I was driving the truck, if this would have been any of the Porsches I don�t even want to think what would have happened.

^^^ that looks like it�ll buff right out�

You shouldn't drive in peoples blind spots... slow down or speed up.

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This guy crossed over two lanes to hit me, he was trying to make an entrance to a dealership. I always try to pass people fast, just because this blind spot issue. Specially fast when passing 18 wheelers.

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that sucks� what kind of smoker do you use for your bbq pictured a few post back

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Could be worse - at least you have a sweet turbo ready to rip. Pretty jealous.