New generation of Porsche snobs

Gang I have been making sure my observations in the Denver metro area are right. The Porsche owners around here are snobs. As many of you know I have had PCars for a long time. It use to be that MOST of the time you would flash your lights or wave at other PCar owners. Not now. Over the past 6 months I have seen a huge drop off that I noticed of the PCar camaraderie. In the past few weeks alone I have noticed even driving next to a PCar they ignore me (Maybe it is because my car is green and blends in). Granted they are all 997+ peeps. I do see more PCars on the road than in years past. Just kinda sad as it use to be like "Hey another Pcar!" How are things in your area??

Check your high beam controls Or maybe they think your warning them to slow down, police ahead

VW Beetles used to be that way, Motorcycles too. Not so much now, at least around here. I have to say with the similar looks I almost waved at a Boxster the other day, totally mortified.

I am a long time Jeep Wrangler owner and get a wave from most other Jeeps. I expected to get the same in my 84 Carrera and the 996 and haven't had one other 911 wave at me in my almost two years owning 911s.

If they're driving a Cayenne I don't expect anything. A Boxster or 911 and there's usually something although the 997+ crowd seem to think they're above the rest of us.

A lot more posers these days than true enthusiasts for sure...

No wave back from anyone in 997+ crowd in the Boston area either. As others have commented, I don't look for nor expect any greetings from soccer moms in Cayennes.

I get the most responses from Boxter drivers (if it has the shield I'll wave at the driver). Then its 944/928, followed by 911s, Cayennes, and Pannies and Cayman bring up the rear. I get more responses in the 996 than the 958, but I did get a positive response from a 991 in the P!g once. At least in my area Porsches are too common and is more of a status symbol than something that they love. It also seems that PCA membership is way down compared to the number of owners. I also think its just been lost. I have a neighbor with a Boxter (987) that had a wet floor. She couldn't understand why me and another guy (986 & 955) a few blocks away loaned her equipment/time/knowledge to get it taken care of. She had no idea that Porsche people are just supposed to help other Porsche people.

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+1 In SoCAL, even Ferraris may not raise eyebrows. Let alone Porschaaa haha

I've noticed a big falloff of the flash or wave too in CT. I don't bother with Cayennes either and the rest seem 50/50. I used to get a wave from almost everyone. Chris

In the south (Atlanta) I find it still hit and miss. I seem to get more interaction with 911 Turbos than any other models.

Same here in Cincinnati. But I can say when I get waived to it ranges from what pcar they're in. Wether it be a 60s 996 997 well I have yet to be waived to from a 991 lol btw on top of that I live a block away from Porsche.

Same here in NYC. Not much going on as far as events. I even give people in Porsche's a thumbs up and I have got the bird back a couple times- really? I hang out with mostly people I meet at my local shop since they have events here and there. But no one is really into it like I am.

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That made me laugh. Sums up the NYC stereotype. "You lookin' at me?"

Here in NC is a bit different, Besides my Pcar i also own a Mini CooperS and I do have to say 99% of mini cooper owners give the 2 finger wave I have NOT encounter one that hasn’t wave back ( mini coopers) as far a Pcar well not too many Porsches around my area however I went to a cars and coffee last month and there were several 911's and 944's and we all parked together and had a great time.

I think its mostly the newer model owners as many are not enthusiasts.

If I waved at every PCar I saw on the roads here, I'd need a shoulder replacement.

I actually get more waves from fellow 911 owners than I do with the Boxster owners..even aircooled guys give the wave. It seems 997s are hit or miss but 991 owners seem to be oblivious and can't see past there nose because it's so high up in the air!

I give a wave to all Porsches from 911's to 924's. If they choose to wave back or not fine. When I was a teen driving my Healeys and Triumphs back in the early 70's all sports cars drivers waved to each other. My first days driving around in my 996 a guy in a very tired looking Jaguar XK120 gave me the thumbs up.

So many Porsche owners haven't a clue about responding to the 'wave'. Most are not even forum members or hard core enthusiasts. We all waved when my only car was a bug-eye sprite and you passed another English car, it was expected.

So this is interesting to me. I have owned a 924 before, I know the poor mans Porsche, great car and it is responsible for my Pcar addiction. With that said I didn't know that it was a thing to waive at other Pcar owners. I also ride a bike and here in the south all nikes pretty much wave.

I wave at all Porsches that aren't SUVs. Soccer moms on the phone aren't going to wave back. I definitely will wave at someone driving any 30-40 year old Porsche. I'll even start up a conversation in a parking lot. It isn't easy keeping an old car going.

Meh, no surprise. New owners don't get it, some chick in a Boxster is just going to think you're trying to hit on her, and the 35-year-old who just dropped more on his new 911 than I spent on my first house is WAAAAY too cool to wave at anyone in a 10-15 year old car. I like driving the 911 more than the Corvette, but Corvette owners are all about "the wave." It's kind of fun, and it doesn't matter if you're driving a beater C3 or C4 or a brand-new C7 or some monster C6. They almost all wave.

Maybe I'm doing it wrong. What does the wave look like?

I got just one wave from another 996 owner in a Coupe in my way to Orlando, I had another 996 same color, cabrio I wave the guy he was looking at me like, what the f@%! I was doing, I feel so traumatized I stop waiving, there are lots of 991 around my area, driving mostly from women, If I wave they may call the cops or sue me for harassment. Well this is South Florida!!!

Porsches are relatively uncommon here (not counting Cayennes.) I always wave (not counting Cayennes), and 90% of the time I get a wave or light flash in return.

Picked this thread up from "New Post" and man you guys are tough on the 997 owners...LOL I own a 997.2 and I wave all the friggin time and get nothing back regardless of the model...I know there are PCAR enthusiast here in Tampa FL but I have not seen any on the road yet??? I aslo know the wave was a Corvette thing when I owned mine...are you saying that waving is a Porsche thing also...with the lack of response I have been getting I thought maybe I was supposed to be doing somehting different like flashing my lights???

No wave, but this did happen last Saturday. I was at a light and across the way was a black/orange GT3RS. He goes south and was turning that direction. He could have made the right hand turn but waited for the light to turn green first. I had to wait for some oncoming traffic but he was waiting for me, driving at the speed limit so I could catch up (probably the first time that's happened). I caught up at the next stop light and he was already rolling down his window. We chatted at the light for a minute, then both took off. As soon as we hit the freeway, I went east and he went west. Since I was again at a light I got to see that GT3RS take off up the on ramp. I guarantee you that this time he was not going the speed limit!

If I'm in my '84 Carrera and see another air cooled car on the road (relatively rare occurrence), I'll usually give a hand out the window, or peace sign, or similar. When I'm in the 996 and see an air cooled 911, I don't even bother because I know they think I'M a poser and think I'M driving something beneath their charmed air cooled 911. When I'm in either car and pass another newer Porsche, I usually look over, but almost NEVER see anything but the straight ahead stare, so I just drive on by typically. I think most of these drivers really like their cars, but they're not "enthusiasts" per se. Nor do they need to be.

No one returns my wave or flash in Houston. So I just ignore them back. Bunch of Ah01es!

No wave in the San Diego area. But, Porsches are a dime a dozen here.

Wel lt this is funny, On the way home from work I got waved by a cute girl in a Cayman, we ended up at the same gym parking lot, she parked next to me and said "Nice 911" so there is still hope for people to acknowledge each other in Pcars.... lol

^^^ So, when is your second date?

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Extend your arm palm facing the target of the wave, fingers outstretched but not splayed. Smoothly move your hand at the wrist 23 degrees counterclockwise, then back to where it started. Without stopping, continue clockwise an additional 19 degrees - but no further! - and then back to start position. Repeat 3-4 times as necessary.

I get wave back usually from older Porsches even when I am in my lowly Boxster. The newer car drivers don't seem to care. Riding the m-cycle, I get a very few waves back in CO, but when I lived in MN, every m-cycle rider waved. I didn't have a Porsche back then...

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Thanks. I shall move a mirror into the garage and practice. I'm concerned that if I do it wrong, I might risk IMSB failure!

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Damn it! No wonder I get so few responses. I was only doing 17 degrees on the backswing...

I got a wave from a Cayenne once, caught me off guard and i barely got a return in before we passed.

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I moved to Jacksonville from Cincinnati 5 years ago. Lived off 48 and frequented fields ertle daily. I come up there once a month still!

I had a guy pull up a couple nights ago along side me...straight away for 1 mile an no other cars. He was in a brand new ish Viper. Gorgeous car. My son who is 9 was drueling and so was I. He blipped the throttle and i giggled...no way i am chasing this guy. He rolls down his window and gives me a huge thumbs up and tells my boy to take care of that beautiful Porsche! My son was in heaven cause the guy in the cool car said ours was cool. I have never in all my years of Pcar ownership had another Pcar owner do anything like that. Hell one of them told me he liked my carmen ghia...which just happened to be my 356 Speedster! I dont think half of them know what they have! I am the thumbs up guy here in Jax. Anything cool...thumbs up from me...

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For the 991 driver the wave is a "jerk off" motion

Td my buddy works the parts counter at the fields ertel porsche named Todd. I'm actually about to move to the coast. Hoping to meet some new gear heads through PCA meetings. I actually get stopped quit a bit but, that's bc all of my porsches are heavily modified. The most common question is who built it or comment how much the love it. I can also same I'm a thumbs up kind of guy for anyone with great taste in a automobile. Now if you have a porsche or whatever it be done up tacky I will ignore you Bc it makes my heart hurt for that piece of machinery.

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Cool...where at on coast?

Around town, in stop-and-go traffic, or on urban commuter highways, I never wave or flash on my motos or 911 or get any waves or flashes. Too many cars, too many tools. On a twisty mountain or back roads it's a different story.

Porsches are still pretty rare in traffic where I live. If it is daylight, I usually do a quick flash of my lights instead of waving. Response is maybe 50 - 60 percent. Almost all older Porsches will respond. Very few with newer models will even look. Never had a Cayenne respond.

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That sounds snobby.

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I just do this back to them.

No one waves or anything in the UK.

I wave, regardless of P model. But that's just me. P-cars are relatively rare in our 'hood. And, I didn't move from NYC to be a grumpy cuss...T

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i also wave at all other po,s and i really do not care too much if they do not wave back. they will lose some of their snobbery after the first of many smack downs from corvettes

Got a really nice smile and thumbs up from a Vette the other day! Up here almost every MC rider acknowledges with a wave or nod!

I only wave when I'm in my non-Porsche SUV. Then the looks I get are classic! Actually I'll wave to any P-car I see but I usually have the windows up so unless they're looking straight at me they won't see it.

waving at people who purchases the same transportational device as you is one of the lamest things ever. Maybe when porsche made 10k cars per year and maybe 3,000 of them made it to america, it was like a cult thing. For the past 20 years, thats not been the case. Do you wave at people who have the same pair of shoes as you? Same cell phone? really, who freaking cares.

You sound like a fun guy.

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ah, so I'm not fun because I don't wave at the dorks who buy these cars? Guess I prefer others things to waving at complete strangers who just happened to buy the same type of car as me.

+1 DTMiller

lol, wow thanks for the laugh...

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Indeed. .

^^^^Priceless

Miami Porsche's seem to be everywhere. However, there are definitely two types of owners the enthusiasts and the poseurs. The poseurs sadly out number us however I still send out a wave to my 996 brethren and occasionally I will even get a wave back.

A green porsche? No wonder they ignore you. I would laugh at the sight of a green porsche.

Just because it's a porsche, you expect a wave from another porsche driver? LOL You're the snob

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You know the more I read this thread it has made me remember that I have had one very cool encounter and it was with a 996 Turbo. I was driving home on the interstate and I saw a 911 two cars behind. I had a chance to move over and wait to see what it was and it was this sweeeeeeeeeeet 996 Turbo. As he slowed down to pass by we nodded politely at each other and then he hit the gas a little (car in front of him) for me to hear it...but then my lane opened up and as I went back by I gave him a ...he then jumped in behind me (slower car in front of him) and I got back in the left lane. He could have accelerated around but just tucked in behind me as we escalated our speed to a more comfortabe 911 speed than posted...LOL Soon I had to move over to get off the interstate and he slowed down so we could give each other another and then he sped away...very cool encounter!!!

1) Crotch rocket days we all waved at each other and I still see them do it today. 2) Subaru STI , we all waved to each other and still see others do it. 3) Porsche....eh most of the time they don't even turn to look at you, specially the older crowd (no offense to the older guys on this forum) and I always think to my self that if I was that old fart and got my dream car at the age of 60 and some 30 some year old pulled next to me in the same car I would probably be pissed too LOL..... 4) Every driver of a Vet always waves even going opposite sides on the freeway.

On bikes, I used to get "the wave" about 80% of the time. I'd say it's about 30% now. On the freeway, whenever I see a bike approaching, I move over to give them space. I'd say about 50% or more give a wave of acknowledgment. I gave the "wave" to a Carrera GT awhile back, and he smiled and returned the wave. Today I passed two 911 Carreras, a Boxster, and a Cayenne. None even gave me a glance. Maybe it's because I have a 996 though.

In my area of Portland the Boxter drivers seem oblivious to a friendly light flash or wave. Seems 911 owners are always aware of other Pcars. Maybe it is due to the low cost of Boxters nowadays where anyone with a job can buy one if so inclined.

I give a nod to any high performance car I pass--vettes, STi's, S2k's. On the NW and North side of Indy, we have a thriving light-flashing culture. Even had a 991 surprise me last week by flashing. I only had time for a quick wave since I was taken so aback. As I posted a few weeks ago, I had a spirited dash on the interstate with an SC, parting with a mutual thumbs up. There is also a maroon Boxster who I've run with on the interstate a couple times. I DO NOT wave at Panameras or Cayannes...except the Panamera S that I occasionally see Tony Kanaan in... TC

vu.q.le Bite me

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Since you are always so positive, I'd be sure to give you the finger.

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STFU you ignorant n00b. No one is interested in your juvenile drivel. When you can do better than a 7th hand 100K+ mile beater boxter then you may be given permission to speak with your betters. There, how's that for snobbery you Komifonia douchebag?

^^^this^^^ I have owned Porsches since 12/85. All 3 are 951's. Back in the 80's and pretty much the 90's and into the 2000's, almost every other Porsche owner would acknowledge me. Now it is more of the exception than the rule. I gave up on the Cayenne's and Boxters a few years ago and never started with the Pano's. I miss the sense of community on the road but love the community I have discovered on Rennlist! You guys are Awesome!!

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Haha! I would love a green 911! I haven't had a green car since my old Alfa! I've noticed the lack of response around the denver area Tim. Up in Evergreen it's not bad. There was actually just a thread about this on the 997 turbo forum too. Tim you should come out to more of the Cars and Coffee events or the Porsche Breakfast Club events. Everyone is enthusiastic there and nobody cares what kind of Porsche you drive!

I have had a Jeep and a mustang GT owners certainly did the wave thing. I agree that a big portion of Porsche owners are snob and buy the car only for the prestige. Like I said earlier in Miami Porsche's and the douche bags that drive them are a dime a dozen but every once in a while I do run into another enthusiast. In the meantime I will keep waving at 911's, screw the other Porsche models

No signs of life here in Northern New Jersey either, but certainly some in the Garden State have an opinion on this subject. I think this goes farther than people in P-cars. I can't remember the last time I saw someone slow down at a yellow light to allow someone on the other side of the intersection to turn before the light turned red. Or a day when most people used their turn signals. People do what they want to do, but it seems to be at the expense of others. Acknowledging another P-car driver? It just doesn't compute for people in this neck of the woods.

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I have no idea what you just said.

I've got my original IMS bearing hanging from the mirror, instead of dice; and I get a lot of waves

Hey Dennis... was your Alfa green because moss was growing on it? Or did the car actually run once in a while? kidding! And, I still get a smile or nod from other Z3 drivers when I'm in my Z3.

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It did actually run once in a while, but not often! I was very proficient at push starting the car by myself. Right foot on the clutch, car in reverse, left foot out the door to push the car backwards. I think it was green to symbolize the amount of cash I spent to keep it on the road. Every Alfa owner has had a passenger say something like: "Do you smell smoke?"

LOL! That was funny. I'm only messing with the previous posts about the green porsche.

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What a shocker.

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I won't lose any sleep over it.