Flex fuel Compatible

Have any of you race car drivers considered converting to Ethanol? Or programmed their computer so the engine can run on either Methanol, Ethanol normal petroleum or a mixture of any? Making your engine FLEXFUEL compatible? Just wondering after seeing a netflix documentary 'At the Pump'. http://www.haltech.com/flex-fuel-sensor-explained/ Please fully watch the Netflix documentary before blasting down an alternative fuel source for the Porsche.

you must be frickin joking, right? run a Porsche on E85? Really? Its like 87 octane E85 is nothing more that a government payout to corn farmers. Its lower energy, lower fuel economy and poorer performance

Plus no track will have it or make it available. Unless there is a Prius racing league.

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100% correct.

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While I agree that E85 is mostly a political thing, it is not "low octane" at all. In fact, an octane rating cannot really be applied to ethanol, but because of it's properties including a charge cooling effect, it effectively acts like a fuel with octane greater than 100. Ethanol does contain fewer BTUs per volume than gasoline, and thus people report lower fuel economy.

A kid in our office runs E85 in his Subaru "Rally Car" because he wants more torque. We pointed out his car is not flex fuel, and he is purposely using a fuel that produces less Hp than gas, but as he is under 25 and knows everything, he just smirked. I'd want more torque if I was using the car to tow a big azz boat, but for everyday driving? His logic eludes me. We are all waiting for his fuel lines to go ka-blooey. Theres a pool on when that will happen.

Don't be bamboozled or brain washed by the oil conglomerates. Watch the netflix documentary before making rash statements about octane levels of other fuels. How come since I watched drag racing back in the early 70s drivers use ethanol or methanol in their rides. I only ask because they have stations near to me where ethanol is sold as an alternative fuel. The garages are privately owned and have more then just ONE source of fuel on sale and the flex fuel soft ware can change the computer in your car to accept ethanol and methanol and other sources of fuel. The software can alter the computers of most cars made from 94 onward to accept a mixture of fuel sources. Ethanol BTW is much cheaper than the monopolized petroleum. We have lots of choices in everything we use except fuel for our car engines. That's why petroleum price are high and could leap in price overnight. I thought the Californian people would be the first to take it upon themselves to make the change as ethanol burns cleaner than petroleum. Just thinking that's all.

(something pithy - smartass comment - blah blah blah) WD40!! Luv ya Hurdi!

I caught the documentary and it was very informative. Burning the trolley systems to ensure bus service and a federal indictment that followed. The special is called pump and its on netflix and I would say to any who have not watched it, it's a must see. It made sense and having the former president of shell provide commentary was impressive.

Ok, I'm wrong about the octane.... We don't use E85 in So Cal because they they don't sell that crap in So Cal We don't have corn farmers Because you get lower fuel economy, E85 can actually cost more per mile than normal gas. The places it is lower cost generally have either tax breaks or additional; state subsidies. Once those are gone, the cost will be higher

Lots of heavily modified and very powerful cars use E85. Clearly though, cost savings are not part of that equation and you need to upgrade fuel systems because you need a lot more volume of E85 for the power level.

Personally, I'd rather try to adopt the methane powered approach to the 996, you know the one that runs on poop and is cheap? Poo-powered car hits the road - YouTube

My flux capacitor intermittently will act up so I'm always looking for a new fuel source.

Wow, Hurdi didn't even get his degree from Google University - he went straight to the top to the UN (University of Netflix). Since water is comprised of both hydrogen and oxygen, both of which are flammable (which I _KNOW_ because I just watched a Hindenburg documentary on Netflix). I suggest using a 50/50 mixture of ethanol and water. How come since I watched the ***** use hydrogen back in the 20s and 30s racing back in the early drivers use hydrogen in their rides. I thought people who raced their Porsches were idiots in your estimation, Hurdi. Is this just a plot to hasten the demise of cars owned by those stupid racers?

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Wow, I thought it was a joke http://www.geneco.uk.com/about-Us/News.aspx?ID=14

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It also takes more energy to produce (at least the corn variant we use in the US) and comes out to a big net loss even before you factor in the resources and impact of the farming. There are better bio sources for the ethanol used in other countries that take less to grow and less to convert. I'm all for an alternative fuel (at least part of the reason I drive an oil burner, but corn based ethanol isn't even close to the solution (and in public perception I think it is setting the process backwards).

There are many local racers here running E85 tunes in their flexfuel vehicles. A brz with e85 tune can keep right with an s2000, they pick up almost 20% more power amazingly. The turbo cars gain significantly more, it's basically cheap, widely available race gas. If I could fuel up my 996 with e85 I would in a heartbeat.

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Here's a basic breakdown: The BMW factory in SC for example also uses methane to power part of their factories. Supervisor to emloyees: "eat more, we need more poop!"

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Ok, that ruined my appetite for lunch LOL

I blend 25% E85 in my G63 Benz, makes a noticeable bhp and tq. gain, but I also have a weistec ecu and down pipes, so it really takes advantage of the higher octane (107 RON is the equivalent octane). The biggest problem with methanol is it's corrosive factors in the fuel systems. It is highly corrosive to all rubber and petroleum pieces in the car and if it sits around in an older car, it can be an issue. Newer, more exotic cars don't really have the issue as California fuels already have an ethanol component, so the newer fuel systems are less prone to corrosive factors. I also use 25% blend of ethanol in my other super high end exotics that are normally aspirated, and in California, where we have **** for fuel, it does make a difference, as the motor will adapt to the higher octane and add timing down low, which makes tq. The downside is the motor will run richer to compensate for the stoich ratios so you get a little worse fuel mileage but ethanol is super cheap so it all washes out. Also, its hard to find a station with E85, they are not common, but I am lucky to have one on the way to work Happy motoring all you farmers.

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http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/IndyCar_Series IRL, CART, Methanol[edit] At its inception, the IRL used methanol racing fuel, which had been the de facto standard in American open wheel racing since the 1964 Indianapolis 500 Eddie Sachs � Dave MacDonald crash. Methanol had long provided a safer alternative to gasoline. It had a higher flash point, was easily extinguishable with water, but burned invisibly. With the IRL's introduction of night races in 1997, the burning of methanol fuel was visible for the first time, seen with a light blue haze. With this in mind, in an effort to make it more visible in case of fire during daylight hours, additional mixtures were placed in the fuel. As a safety feature, the methanol would burn with a color. Ethanol[edit] In 2005, driver Paul Dana brought the sponsorship of the Ethanol Promotion and Information Council (EPIC) to his IndyCar team. EPIC is a consortium of ethanol producers that advocate the increased use of ethanol. EPIC was anxious to address public concerns that ethanol use led to engine damage and poor performance when used in street cars. As a marketing effort, it was believed that sponsoring an IndyCar could be used as a tool to promote education and awareness of ethanol use, and to curb the spread of erroneous information. Dana was killed in a crash in 2006, but the IRL already begun a transition to ethanol fuel. For the 2006 season, the fuel was a 90%/10% mixture of ethanol and methanol. Starting in 2007, the league advertised "100% Fuel Grade Ethanol", the first competitive series to utilize renewable fuel. The mixture is actually 98% ethanol and 2% gasoline for races held in the United States. It was provided by Lifeline Goods of Saint Joseph, Missouri. The additives satisfied the U.S. government's requirements that the alcohol be unfit for human consumption, and added visible color in case of a fire. The 2010 S�o Paulo Indy 300, held in Brazil � outside of the U.S. regulations � utilized a full E100 mixture, the first instance in the sport. To compensate for the gain of power due to the use of ethanol, the displacement was reverted to 3500 cc. Since ethanol gets worse fuel mileage than methanol, the fuel tanks in the car were increased in size. Compared to methanol, human contact with the current ICS fuel is much less harsh, and the fumes much less irritating. The fumes are often compared with the sweet smell of apple cider or apple cobbler. Unlike methanol, ethanol is not caustic and does not cause chemical burns when it comes in contact with skin. On May 2010, Sunoco became the official fuel of the series starting in 2011, running through 2014. Sunoco will work with APEX-Brasil and UNICA to provide ethanol for the series.[16]

I'm just here to **** Hurdi off and make him curse at me.

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Algae based oil. They have done some development in the Salton Sea, but due to some stupid law, can't use it in California. Go figure

Taking this subject one step further. With no other fuel alternative being readily available, America have soldiers protecting their oil interests abroad at the cost of their lives. Oil Companies providing Billions of dollars to fund the American Government. Not God Bless America. God Bless Sonoco and privately owned gas stations that are at least trying their best to provide us with alternative fuels sources for our vehicles. Think on that statement. Watch the documentary 'PUMP'. Further your education on this link https://www.google.com/webhp?sourcei...0the%20pump%27 Gentlemen and the odd lady 996 driver. The American Government in conjunction with the Oil Cartel have got US by the 'short and curly hairs'. Not so if we had an alternative fuel to choose for our engines. WE HAVE to a very small degree. I only asked if was any one was using it.

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Oh, good Lord. You left out the Trilateral Commission, lizard people and the Ministry of Magic. You forget the biggest beneficiary of the ethanol mandate is ADM. The biggest fans of E85 in the Porsche world are those with high HP mod'd engines. The Turbo owners particularly love E85 (with a few even going for methanol) for its high octane at affordable prices. (I'll let you research how these affordable prices are enabled/supported.) The stock fuel system could need upgrading to ensure at full chat the system can deliver sufficient fuel to the engine. Ethanol's stoichiometric ratio is quite richer than gasoline. Gasoline is about 13:1 (for "best" power), while ethanol's is nearly half that. Plus ethanol has much less energy in a given volume so it takes more ethanol to make the same power. As a result the fuel system from the pump to the lines, the filter, the fuel rails and injectors need to need to be sized -- so to speak -- to ensure adequate fuel delivery under all operating conditions. The stock Porsche engine control system is not designed to deal with E85 so changes will have to be made there. The DME will need tweaking to be able to from the O2 sensor readings recognize E85 is present (or some percentage over and above that which it can deal with as it comes from the factory) and fuel the engine appropriately. Or an ethanol sensor will need to be added to the system and from this reading the DME can then know the percentage of ethanol and fuel the engine appropriately. Frankly E85 holds no interest for me for a stock engine. And I'm of no inclination to so modify an engine to the point that it requires E85. At the risk of taking this way off topic ethanol is not a viable alternative fuel. It is an ecological disaster, forces food prices up for not only us here in the USA but really around the world, and requires a good amount of petrol-sourced fuel and fertilizer to produce. Keep drinking the Kool-Aid (ethanol laced no doubt).