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YOUR RESEARCH2003 Carrera Clutch Repair and IMS Bearing
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And Yes, you DO NOT want an Infiniti dealer doing a IMSB replacement or probably a clutch for that matter as the DM flywheel also needs to be checked and someone that does not work on Porsche cars may not know that
Check bits (assuming the filter hadn't recently been
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With 66K on the clock I would want at the very least to get a look inside the oil filter to check for bits (assuming the filter hadn't recently been changed), and more likely I'd want to drop the pan and look in there too.
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With 66K on the clock I would want at the very least to get a look inside the oil filter to check for bits (assuming the filter hadn't recently been changed), and more likely I'd want to drop the pan and look in there too.
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Ask among the local Porsche Indy repair guys for a known ,well maintained,enthusiast owned car.
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With 66K on the clock I would want at the very least to get a look inside the oil filter to check for bits (assuming the filter hadn't recently been changed), and more likely I'd want to drop the pan and look in there too.
Replace imsb is minimal if you are doing the clutch
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the additional labor to replace the IMSB is minimal if you are doing the clutch.
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With 66K on the clock I would want at the very least to get a look inside the oil filter to check for bits (assuming the filter hadn't recently been changed), and more likely I'd want to drop the pan and look in there too.
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With 66K on the clock I would want at the very least to get a look inside the oil filter to check for bits (assuming the filter hadn't recently been changed), and more likely I'd want to drop the pan and look in there too.
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And Yes, you DO NOT want an Infiniti dealer doing a IMSB replacement or probably a clutch for that matter as the DM flywheel also needs to be checked and someone that does not work on Porsche cars may not know that
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I've been negotiating the purchase of a 2003 Carrera cab with 66K miles from a local dealer - infiniti, not Porsche - and when the PPI was done it was determined the vehicle needed a new clutch, among other items. This led to a back-and-forth with the dealership over what they would and would not do. I requested that if they're going to do the clutch that the LN IMS upgrade kit be installed. This was at the advice of an Indy to both the dealer and me. Another Indy wasn't as hot on the install on the LN kit. What do you folks think? I can get the deal done with a new clutch, just not the IMS upgrade. Move on or move forward?
+996, not to mention they will not spend the extra money on the tools if they haven't already done one before. Which brings me to the point that considering it's an Infiniti dealer, do you really want yours to be the first IMS retrofit they do? Even if they agreed to it?
It makes sense to do the IMS while the transmission is out. That being said, you'll still need to pay for the parts/labor for the LN IMS while the dealer should pay for the clutch.
Doesn't matter. If they do it, they will want it done as cheaply as possible and you will get little if any input or feedback.
If you do it after purchase then you know exactly what is being done and you get the have the "while we're here" conversations with your Indy for the additional things that will invariably pop up.
This seems easy:
Step 1 - get an estimate for the cost of a clutch/IMSB replacement combo (plus any other deferred maintenance) from your mechanic.
Step 2 - split that cost with the dealer as your final offer.
Step 3 - buy car, perform deferred maintenance, enjoy the car
Who did the PPI?
How did they determine the clutch needed to be replaced?
And Yes, you DO NOT want an Infiniti dealer doing a IMSB replacement or probably a clutch for that matter as the DM flywheel also needs to be checked and someone that does not work on Porsche cars may not know that
PPI was done by a local certified Porsche mechanic. The other issues were pretty minor. A lot I could probably fix myself with the help of Pelican and this board.
The Indy quoted about 2,500 just to fix the IMS Bearing issue with the LN solution.
I'm thinking I let the dealer pay for the new clutch and some of the other little wiggly bits, and I eat the LN solution. It's essentially an even amount we are splitting based off of the quotes received for the clutch. These quotes are coming from two respected Indy shops here in my area.
A slightly different option is to explore extended warranties for the vehicle and let them take care of the IMS should it fail.
the additional labor to replace the IMSB is minimal if you are doing the clutch. The bulk of the labor id removing and replacement transmission
Did they say how they determined the clutch needed to be replaced? Was it slipping?
A clutch can last 25k or 100k+ all depends on how it was driven.
It was definitely slipping, I could feel it when driving. Also, engagement was extremely late. You could tell there was something wrong by the way it drove.
With 66K on the clock I would want at the very least to get a look inside the oil filter to check for bits (assuming the filter hadn't recently been changed), and more likely I'd want to drop the pan and look in there too. If there is any evidence of a failing IMSB I would pass on the car because if the IMSB is in the process of disintegrating and there is debris in the engine, there's a high risk to the open LN bearing.
Looks like we are at the point where the dealer will pay for the complete clutch repair - including flywheel - as well as the driver's seat motor replacement, and I will pay for the LN IMS upgrade. We are working with the Indy to get a complete best possible quote.
The total, as of now, seems like it would be in the $26.6/$27K range for the car - not including taxes. What do folks think?
Please just split the difference and buy the car. Then have a real 996 Indy do all the work. They will catch other things while in there, like how worn the flywheel is, the bolts, throw out bearing, etc.... I have seen some shady crap from dealers in the past where they only replaced the clutch disc and left the old pressure plate and throw out bearing. My $.02 cents.
I thought it was 24,1 that they were asking. How has it jumped in price?
You asked for advice, but are consistently ignoring it. Don't have the dealer be responsible for any of the repairs. Negotiate the price down based on what is needed and then take care of the repairs yourself.
The path you are following is more likely to bite you in the *** than turn out well.
I'm sorry if it seems like I am ignoring advice, as that is certainly not what I am doing. In negotiating the price, there are items the dealer will pay for an a well-respected Indy to perform - full clutch and seat - and items that the dealer won't pay for the Indy to perform - the LN IMS solution. Again, not a single ounce of work is going to be performed by the dealer. The price jump was based off of me rolling in the LN IMS repair and some other work. I should have been more clear. That number is reflecting the purchase plus my investment to get the vehicle well-sorted.
I used to work for a dealership.The car is not in saleable condition. I'm astonished an Infiniti dealer would try to sell it in such poor condition. I would not buy it . Ask among the local Porsche Indy repair guys for a known ,well maintained,enthusiast owned car.
You are not just buying the car ,you are also 'buying' the honesty(?) of the dealer.
The advise you are ignoring is that you are continuing to let the dealer manage the repair.
If you continue to do this, during the repair, if any additional items are found, or a decision needs to be made, it will be a decision that the dealer will make. Their interest in that decision is/will not be the same as yours. So if any decisions are made, it won't be in your best interest.
You should therefore negotiate the cash they would be paying for the repair. Then take the cash and have an indy do it for you. That way YOU are in control and can make the decisions that are best for YOU
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