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YOUR RESEARCHIMS Problem - Way overblown?
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I then replaced a cracked windshield cowling and both 3rd brake lights from tinted back to stock.
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I'm pretty confident that used 996 sales are taking away from a lot of the other new car sales of cars like BRZ, 370z, Miata, etc.
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Cult following always leads to higher used car prices.
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Chances are it will run another 62K+ without issue.
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The car was still running when it was brought in but burning lots of oil according to the shop.
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They're the ones that would rather buy new or CPO with extended warranties, thus severely increasing inventory levels and bringing down used car demand for that brand.
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This morning while I was having a minor problem fixed on my 996tt (because I was too lame to do it myself) I was able to see first-hand what a failed IMSB looks like and does (or can do) to the engine, The ***** of the bearing were smashed and distorted, the ONE that was found, the shaft collar was egg-shaped, but worst of all was the very deep scratches in the cylinder wall, essentially making that side of the case unrepairable.
In August 2015 paid $21,470 for a '99 with 57,000 miles from the delightful folks at Napleton Porsche in Westmont, IL.
Have been driving the blazes out of it for the last two months. Including two track days at the Autobahn Country Club.
Now have 62,000 miles. Because I use it every day.
THANK YOU, THANK YOU, THANK YOU, THANK YOU to all the ninnies who have destroyed the resale value of early 996's!!
...and hopefully you won't have to sell yours because a '99 narrow body with 65K miles is probably worth $16K in todays market considering thats the sweet spot for IMS failure
Kind of curious myself how this will work out? I drive 35,000 miles per year. If it lasts 2 years and EXPLODES, I'll likely find another one and do it again. Cheaper and more fun then alternatives? Have been getting between 20 and 27 mpg by the way.
The only thing that has hurt the value of the 996, is the same things that have hurt the value of EVERY similar european car of the era. Its not limited to the 996, look at Cayennes, BMWs, and Mercedes values and you'll see the same percentages of degradation from the sticker price, to the values today.
I bought a 2001 S430 a couple of months ago for 2500 bucks, it had just over 100K miles, and needed nothing except one low beam head light bulb. Look up what that fully loaded Mercedes cost new.
Congrats. Looks like you're really using it and getting your money's worth.
As much as some don't want to admit it, I think majority of us echo this sentiment as most of us wouldn't be here if the 996 values had stayed up there.
I'm pretty confident that used 996 sales are taking away from a lot of the other new car sales of cars like BRZ, 370z, Miata, etc.
You just can't get this level of performance for the buck these days.
That seems to prove the percentages of depreciation are higher for those others than 996's. That S430 cost $75K new, about the same as a C2. You got a steal avg around here for one in good cond w/100K is $4500, but that's what you'd pay for an '01 996 with a blown engine! Merc SL roadsters are the only ones that come close to 911's in holding their value and eventually after many years, begin to appreciate. Of all the mass-produced autos out there, an SL and a 911 would be the only two I would shovel more cash into than I could sell them for. They never get old, just vintage
I don't fully agree with this as it's not a apples to apples comparison. The other cars have more mass appeal and isn't a niche specialty sports car that is often thought of as a luxury second car or weekend drive car.
People buy the other cars as their daily drivers primarily and in that regard expect a trouble free/reliable/luxurious ride as their primary focus when buying used in which case these car's don't always deliver that perception to the general public, hence the hit in values for those.
Even though some people use the 911's as a daily, most people shopping for this car have slightly different focus and priorities.
As for Mercedes, that one always takes a hit as traditionally, the demographic audience tended to be older and the older ones are the ones that least want the hassle to fix things or risk any breakdowns. They're the ones that would rather buy new or CPO with extended warranties, thus severely increasing inventory levels and bringing down used car demand for that brand. Obviously, they are trying to change that image now a days but it still hasn't caught on by the masses. You still see more younger people driving Audi's and BMW's than Mercs. Which also brings up clubs and cult following which Mercs severely lack vs Audi's and BMW's. Cult following always leads to higher used car prices.
My $.02
That's an important point. Heck, I was Corvette shopping when I stumbled on a low mileage 996 for $25k. I would never have thought I could find a deal like that. Would've almost been rude to pass that up.
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The buy-in price is the easy part.
The stay-in the game price can be alarming if :
1.Your significant other sees the invoices
2. You have any one of the 20+ Modes of failure.
3. You don't have a really good Indie & did not use him for the PPI
Otherwise they are great cars. Just make sure that if you drive hard,you know how to handle a rear engined car. Test your skills on the Track ?
Membership on Rennlist will certainly help you enjoy the car.
I've seen quite a few 4-5 y.o. low-mileage 6-sp Vettes around here for the price I could sell my '05 base C2. I suppose they have their issues too (though probably not catastrophic ones like the M96). I never looked into it because I have to have a back seat.
This morning while I was having a minor problem fixed on my 996tt (because I was too lame to do it myself) I was able to see first-hand what a failed IMSB looks like and does (or can do) to the engine, The ***** of the bearing were smashed and distorted, the ONE that was found, the shaft collar was egg-shaped, but worst of all was the very deep scratches in the cylinder wall, essentially making that side of the case unrepairable. This car was a 40th anniversary edition. The car was still running when it was brought in but burning lots of oil according to the shop. I am a novice with porsches so my terminology may not be correct but it was a mess. Shop owner reminded me that I was lucky to have the turbo as they don't have "that" problem- not to worry, I'm sure I will have other annoyances. This is the third Porsche I have owned, an old 912, which was little more than a VW, a 1986 911 Carrera Targa which was really a great "sunny day car", but I bought the 996 to drive more daily so I hope she does not break the bank with these little problems.
In my mind the 911 is a stand alone vehicle. I don't even think of, compare or even want any other vehicle because I own a 911 outright. I don't think of any other Porsche model either. I think 911. The 911 comes first to my mind then comes the model number. Air cooled or water cooled means nothing to me. The 911 was a car that was always beyond my financial means. Not so today. I feel blessed to be a 911 owner. The people who compare the 911 to another vehicle should go out and buy another vehicle and talk crap on some other page.
NOT THIS PAGE.
Thanks to everyone for your thoughtful and (for the most part) constructive comments.
I work for the railroad. We're all a bunch of car nuts. NOTHING in the parking lot has drawn as much interest and generated as many positive comments as has the Porsche.
It's been amusing when I've asked what people think I paid for it.
If they only knew?
Many of you have had the same experience? How long can we keep the secret of the INCREDIBLE value that is a 996 911?
Shhhhhhh........
I bought a 14 year old car with 32000 miles on it, drove it for three days and then raced my first ever AX in it. The following day I dropped it off at my Indy and had fresh brakes installed all around and IMSB replaced and all fluids changed and the A/C recharged. I then replaced a cracked windshield cowling and both 3rd brake lights from tinted back to stock. Finally, I swapped out the factory tape for a re-furbished factory CD.
Pretty much the same type of stuff I would plan on doing with ANY 14 year old vehicle - address all the known possible mechanical issues, give it a full tune and fix all the little stuff.
And then drive the snot out of it.
I am still well under $30K for an awesome sports car that I am not afraid to drive anywhere or park in any lot. In fact I have another AX tomorrow.
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