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OK, I know I saw it somewhere (I think), but I can't find it (I did do a search or two, before I posted). I am looking for a production breakdown, year by year, model by model, to include things like how many came with a manual trans vs a tiptronic, black vs tan (or whatever colors) interior, exterior colors, etc, etc, etc. Did my old eyes deceive me or does such a breakdown exist for us older, less skilled goggle searchers?
Thank you.
Here is a thread focused on production numbers. Unfortunately things like colors or numbers of import to the US have never surfaced. If there is more new info, then adding it to this thread is probably useful for the future.
https://rennlist.com/forums/996-foru...nd-dicing.html
Thanks. I saw this one and it doesn't breakdown anything except how many different basic models C2 HRDTP, C2 Cab, C4 HRDTP, C4 Cab, Turbo, etc by year of manufacture. I did find a more comprehensive data base in the Turbo forum, but is was only for turbo cars. I think it would be great to have a well sorted breakdown of all the 996's, by year, model, and major equipment options (like Tiptronic vs Manual, etc.). Color and other options would be more difficult, but basic numbers of how many were produced, like how many white (and all the other colors) cars, cars with X50 (factory), interior colors, etc, for all model years. I am probably spinning my wheels, but I'd thought I'd ask.
That would be a useful database but the only place it probably exists is in the Porsche archives. Building one form scratch would be a monumental task given the size of 996 production. The info in the Turbo forum was assembled by owners contributing their individual car details, something much easier to do with the smaller sample produced.
You are going to have to accept it doesn't exist. It's like asking if you can determine the engine number from the VIN...no list exists. Try WikiPedia for estimates of production numbers.
There may be stats in tan old Porsche Excellence magazine or Total 911. I got basic stats out of The Essential Companion. May be more stats available in newer printings but I havent checked.
It's not free, but you can get an engine number from a VIN if you purchase a vehicle report here:
https://vinanalytics.com/
For $12.99 is a very comprehensive and accurate report...and IMHO as good as the famed Porsche "Birth Certificate" program costing hundreds of dollars more. They pull their data from the Porsche database.
Color (interior and exterior combo's) is just one thing I was looking at, but more of an aside for a data point. I was mainly wondering how many of each year, and each years different models, came with a manual vs Tiptronic. Then a breakdown of how many came with different major options, like X50, heated seats, aero kits (factory installed), upgraded leather, etc., etc..
Mind posting a picture of your 2001 C4 Cabriolet exterior and interior? With the picture(s) we can determine if you efforts are worth the time. Who knows, you might just have a unicorn.
Not sure you're going to get more detailed information beyond model year and type which are readily available online.
This is a pic from last year, right after I brought her home and after a quick rinse. I don't believe she is anything close to a unicorn and that said, the information I am looking for is not for the car I current own, but for my next "possible" acquisition.
My interactions have been that Corvette owners are very concerned with detailed production specs, and GM provides that data. Then they talk about their pretty typical car as a "unicorn" 1 of only 100 made, which are 2008 automatic convertibles in maroon red, not cherry red, with the aero package, but not the Z06 package, which were built on a Tuesday.
Didn't pan out in this case.
LOL! Sorry to disappoint. I am not on the hunt for any 1 of this or that. Plus, the rarer the car, the more expensive it usually is.
The reason I am looking for the numbers is that I am thinking about another Porsche (this IS a disease). I am on a beer budget (good beer, but beer none the less) and am careful when I move forward (or try to be). I am a bit **** and like to look at stats. I am looking at several very different cars and weighing out the plus and minuses of each. In addition to documentation and maintenance, knowing how many of this and that were made also relates to value (for some), both in the short and long term. Some think their car is 1 of whatever, but it really isn't. I know I am not the first to think of this, but being able to look up the stats would help us all and it would be really nice to have a spreadsheet all of us could view, helping educate us about our cars more.
My limited experience is that 911 buyers relate value to the following:
GT3 > Turbo > NA;
C4S > C4, C2;
MT > Auto;
Coupe > Cabriolet;
Color > black, white, grey
Less miles is better
Documented history is better (IMS repair, etc.)
There are a few other things, within the large categories above, all other things being equal, that can factor in: Aero kit, 50th Anniversary edition, x51 kit.
People don't look for an Aero kit because it's rare, they do it because its a nice looking add on that, has some performance benefit, and was an expensive original option, and that conveys value.
I don't think that rarity, in and of itself, factors in. So what if there are only 500 black auto coupe C2's compared to 1000 black auto coupe C4S (I'm just making it up, I don't know that.) The C2 will NOT be considered more valuable. Or maybe you find some combination of factors where there are only 100 C2's just like it. So? It will still be priced in the C2 range based on the transmission, miles, quality, color, etc.
Another thread pointed out that there are about the same number of 996 Turbos in the US as there are GT3s. Whether that's true or not doesn't matter. GT3s are still worth ALOT more.
It is the same amount of "manual coupes" turbos as gt3(all r manual coupes). I have not actually researched this but there were only about 1200 gt3 brought to north america. It seams there woild have been more 6 spd turbo coupes out there but ???
This type of data exists for the Porsche 968. There is a guy named Jeff ______ who is the designated registrar by the PCA for the 968. He has all kinds of production data on the 968 and often writes things like "your 968 In Marine blue over black seats as a coupe with a manual transmission is one of only 5 built." (an example). He does the same for the 968s listed on Bring a Trailer. The registry:
https://968register.org/
So somehow be got that data from Porsche for the 968. I wonder how that data could be obtained for the 996.
There is a copy of a Porsche database floating around with a few select people having access to it. I have also seen this type of info given out for 928's & 944's. Question is...what year was the data dump obtained? I believe the data was pre-986/996 production as I have never seen anyone give these types of details for our cars. Below is a BAT comment made on a recent 928 GTS auction that supports this:
"Many years ago there was a version of Porsche’s PET database that wasn’t, let’s say, so secure. Someone in Europe wayyy more tech savvy than me made an extract of the database and was willing to share on the condition that A) I don’t share the source data and B) I don’t ever benefit financially from it. It doesn’t contain data for the ’78s or ’79s, just ’80 to ’95. We decode options on request regularly on Rennlist, just for giggles."
