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YOUR RESEARCHTracking a cabrio?
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Install roll bars and/or �pop-up� bars
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(Examples of manufacturer-documented roll over protection include hydroformed and reinforced a-pillars or windshield frame and factory installed roll bars and/or �pop-up� bars that are designated as roll over protection.)
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I like running with TNIA and our local events are very well run and the participants among the best behaved of any group I have run with.
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Anybody have any experience tracking a cabrio 996? Would fitting the hard top make it kosher? Or is the only stairway to heaven available from a fitted roll cage/bar?
(asking for a friend 🥸 )
Rollover protection with a bolt in bar is probably the simplest route to go. Be careful as there are specific bars for the cab vs coupe.
Each venue, be it PCA, Chin, Just Track it, SCCA have different rules so check there first.
Pca will allow you to DE your cab or boxster with the top up. However, you will need to stay in the slower groups unless you have a roll bar and harness.
Your call of you feel more comfortable with a hard top on. Depending on where you are located, you can always go out to a pca de event and check it out to see what the folks are doing.
It's worth it to see.
This may be region specific but PCA minimum requirements only require roll bars for cars without factory rollover protection.
https://www.pca.org/drivers-educatio...nimum-Standard
I have friends driving stock 981 Boxsters in the red group.
Yep, sounds like it's region specific rules. Is your red group the fastest? In Chicago we run green, yellow, white, black. Black being fastest.
Black group requires roll bar, harness, Hans. All other groups don't require them.
Hardtop only adds weight up top where you don�t want it. Every different track has different rules, and different outfits have different rules, as others have said. I�ve tracked my cab at Road America and Autobahn and Blackhawk with Porsche and LAPS in the slower groups with just the soft top in the up position.
What does “ slow group” mean? Like no passing rules or what? I’ve been on a track once before with a different car. ( summit point, noobie group, ) now that I live in Jersey, hopefully can take advantage of one of the pca events at Jersey motor sports park without too much fuss.
Once before is still beginner group. Most of the first timer events I�ve done are with an instructor. Lots to learn. Passing isn�t an objective, but with an instructor, they may teach or command passing only on specific areas of the track as long as it�s done properly and safely. It isn�t until you�ve had quite a few days under your belt that you want to be passing on your own. It�s not just for your own safety, it�s also the car being overtaken that needs to know how to be passed properly, and they might not even know how to do that. So most of these 0-4 days of experience all have instructors in the cars.
Kince, go up to post #5 which outlines the PCA DE groups. Every region may call the groups by a different name or color but it's all the same. Novice, intermediate, advanced.
Novice is someone that is new to tracking which typically has an instructor sitting next to them. Novice is also a relatively new driver that may not need an instructor on that day, but is still working on gaining skill and speed. The instructor will advance you from needing an instructor to being able to solo. Quite frankly, you want to use an instructor as much as you can even after you solo to refine your skills. Heck, I am an instructor who has run in the fastest group for years and I still get in the car with other instructors to help them or for them to help me to shave off time. We all need help.
The intermediate group is someone that is gaining speed and skill that is just too fast for the Novice group.
The advanced group is typically two groups at least in the Chicago region. Both are fast.
The first of the advanced group is the white group which are fast guys with newer cars that don't have a roll cage, harnesses or hans devise.
The second is the black group which are fast guys with cars that have a cage, harnesses, Hans. This group is typically made up of the fastest guys with serious hardware. Alot of club racers in this group.
So you will start as a novice with and instructor, then advance to intermediate, then advanced group less safety equipment, then advanced with safety equipment. It's an evolution over time as you master the skills. Remember this, we all start slow. It will seem fast at the time...
But it's something you gotta try.
Last month I instructed a guy in a 997.2 cab. It was a cold rainy day. Top had to be up, windows had to be down. Ended up being a great instruction day because at best folks were going 3/4 speed on street tires so we could work the line, braking points and turn ins without folks going hog wild on the first day out.
I'm the safety chair for my PCA club. For Boxsters, you are good as long as you pass the broomstick test. For 911s with the pop-up protection, we only allow it for our one day intro program. After that, you must have a fixed roll bar. Hard top on or off makes no difference. The fiberglass is not going to help with a roll over.
Here is the SCCA Track Night In America convertible policy. I like running with TNIA and our local events are very well run and the participants among the best behaved of any group I have run with. A lot of people get their start running with TNIA, including me
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It is highly recommended that all convertible vehicles be equipped with an aftermarket roll bar that meets or exceeds the "Safety Level 2" standards set in the
SCCA Time Trials Rules.
However, convertible vehicles may participate in most Track Night events provided the vehicle meets at least one of the following criteria:
1.
Convertible vehicles up to and including the 2005 model year must have rollover protection meeting one of the following criteria:
A.
Documented factory installed roll over protection. (Examples of manufacturer-documented roll over protection include hydroformed and reinforced a-pillars or windshield frame and factory installed roll bars and/or �pop-up� bars that are designated as roll over protection.)
B.
The convertible vehicle is equipped with an aftermarket roll bar that meets or exceeds standards set in the
SCCA Time Trials Rules
. (E.g., �style� bars are not acceptable.)
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Braces and portions of the main hoop subject to contact by the driver�s or passenger�s helmet, as seated normally and restrained by seatbelt and harness, must be padded with a non-resilient material such as Ethafoam� or Ensolite� or other similar material with a minimum thickness of 1/2 inch. Padding meeting SFI spec 45.1 or FIA 8857-2001 is strongly recommended.
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Convertible vehicles of the 2006 model year or later do not have to have a roll bar if:
A.
The vehicle is six (6) cylinders, with the OE engine and may only be naturally aspirated.
B.
The vehicle is four (4) cylinders or less, with the OE engine, including the stock turbo/supercharger.
Note:
This means that for 2006+ vehicles, if the engine is not the original equipment model as delivered in that vehicle, aftermarket forced induction has been installed, or the vehicle has more than six (6) cylinders or six (6) cylinders and forced induction of any type, the vehicle must have aftermarket rollover protection or documented factory rollover protection. (
Examples of manufacturer documented rollover protection would include hydroformed and reinforced a-pillars or windshield frames, and factory-installed roll bars and/or "pop-up" bars that are designated as rollover protection
.)
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T-top/Targa cars do not count as convertibles.
4. IMPORTANT NOTE:
Some tracks require more than the minimum standards outlined here. VIR and NJMP are two examples but it is best to check the "Track Rules" for each individual event to make sure. If there are no specific rules for convertibles on the track page - then these rules are all that needs to be met.
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the factory hard top isn't fiberglass.. it's all metal and heavy. I can imagine since it is a factory OEM part is has passed some sort of test for roll over protection.. not really sure there is fiberglass anywhere on the 996.. maybe i'm wrong.
I run with MoE regularly at njmp. Not near as rigid as a pca but Delaware pca does a real good event. U can get instruction with mo-e too. Pm me if u want to do either, ill help u ease into the track life if i can.
this is their broomstick test for convertables. Scroll down for the down load.
https://moehpde.com/downloads
This is a source reference. Confirm exact model applicability in the original material.
