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YOUR RESEARCHQuiet Performance Tires for Cabrio?
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All i can say is that they have changed my car entirely.
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Even tire technology has changed a lot since then.
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I�ve recently swapped P Zero Rosso�s N4 to Michelin PS 4s on my 2001 cab.
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I've used P-Zeros on my C4 for 3+ years and they felt awesome.
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While we're at it could you-all recommend longevity as well?
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Hi all,
I'm looking at a new set of Pirelli PZeros for my '99 cabriolet and wondered if something else might offer similar performance but also be quieter -- more appropriate for a cab.
I'm finding that, with the top down, highway driving is noisy, to the point of discomfort, and that most of that noise is coming from my own tires on pavement -- not wind rush from mine or other vehicles. Heaven forbid, I should be driving next to a concrete barrier (highly reflective) with the windows down. It's downright painful.
Any recommendations are appreciated.
Dave
Dave,
I'm going through the same process as you right now, and I've concluded that the best tire on the market for performance, comfort and low road noise is Michelin's new Pilot Sport 2's or PS2's. If you come to a different conclusion, let me know what it is if you don't mind. BTW, I'm currently running Bridg. SO2's, which are great, but I would like a little quieter ride as well.
Regards
I have these on a c4s, so far I am very pleased.
they are quiet, good in the rain and have great road feel
http://www.tirerack.com/tires/tires....ilot+Sport+Rib
My '99 Cab came with P-Zero's and I stayed with them for three sets, then last winter/fall I needed tires, and P-Zeros were out of stock all over the US.
I switched to Michelin Pilot Sports, and even though there was a bald vs new experience, the noise level on the Michelins was nearly zero compared to the sets of Pirelli's I had.
I would highly recommend the Michelins. And I know people in the tire business. Dunlop (not all models) is known as an LCR in the tire biz - a Low Cost Radial - mean more markup, usually lesser quality.
My C4S Cab came with Michelin's and I'm not crazy about them. I've used P-Zeros on my C4 for 3+ years and they felt awesome. The Michelins feel loose to me, and they scare me in the rain - never had that feeling with the P-Zeros, anyone else get this feeling?
Also, I think the Michelins might be better when the weather gets hotter as the compound maybe harder than the P-Zeros.
Rob
performing the same research (tirerack.com, Aut und Moto Sport (GY)..):
Almost every article agrees that Goodyear Eagle F1 GS-D3 is very quiet and
very good ride.
MPS2 has a bit better handling, numbers on tirerack.com show not too big
difference.
All this is just numbers (if you trust them), need first hand experience.
My 2000 C2 Cab has Toyo T/S-1, need quieter and better riding/handling tire.
On my 02 Cab, I originally had Pilot Sports on. IMHO, these are noisy tires (had them on my M3 as well). Current set is SO3s. Much, much quieter. Can't really tell any performance difference below 8/10 (haven't had the chance to go higher yet...).
My worn out Pilots are pretty noisy, looking forward to some new rubber soon. The Michelins have been excellent tires. I really like the PS2, best street tire out there IMO, but if I want a 285 rear I'll have to get the PS Ribs. Still trying to decide....
I found that the Dunlop SP9000s mentioned by JETSKIED were very vulnerable to side wall damage, also they don't appear to be as good at protecting the rims as the Pirrellis, which have a very pronounced ridge around the bead which probably stops most of the kerbing damage.....they were also very soft and were looking quite ragged out after only about 5K!
Yikes. Lots of conflicting reports here (but appreciated, all).
I wonder if some of the reports of things getting quieter after switching tire brands could, in fact, be attributed simply to new tires. I've read elsewhere that many tires become noticeably noisier at 5-7k miles. One might not notice this until the old are tossed for a new set -- ANY new set.
Granted, this wouldn't seem likely for some, like Eric, who went through three sets of Pirellis before switching brands. It's just a thought.
Dave
Well I used to have Pzeros until I got a nail in the side wall of one last year.
My cab has always had a strange sort of unsteady feeling at 82 MPH and then at 124 MPH. In between these speeds the car has been fine but at these speeds I got a lot of wheel shake. Anyway, I had a blow out and my tyre guuy talked me into getting a set of Goodyear Eagle F1 GS-D3s.
All i can say is that they have changed my car entirely. They are the quietest tyres I have had and in a cab that means a lot! They stick to the road like glue and especially in the wet. I have put about 3500 miles on them and the still look like new so they are wearing well. I will never look back again. These GD-S3s are the dogs danglers.
Rossos: I've been through 2 sets, and they're noisy as heck... hum like an annoying bumblebee on the freeway at speed. AND, they get worse as they wear. Fair in the wet - great in the dry IMO.
S-03: This makes for a good
street
tire IMO. Softer than the Rosso, much quieter (at about 3500 miles), great in the wet, and pretty good in the dry. This tire lacks a little feel... which actually improves its comfort and streetability.
The only Michelins I've run are the Cups, but that's not what you're looking for.
GL.
There are no quiet performance tires... road noise is just a fact of life and has more to do with the type of road surface that you are driving upon. Some surfaces are some what quiet, others sing and scream.
I do quite alot of long roadtrips with driving stints of 8-12 hrs and have found that foam ear plugs really help cut down the road drone and my head is clearer at the end of a stint.
I just had a set of the AVS Sports installed and am quite satisfied with them. Their tread pattern is similar to the coveted GY F1's, which many have the opinion are the "quietest" max performance tires.
A couple truths to keep in mind:
1) New tires with full tread depth will always be quieter and more "squirmy" feeling than worn tires.
2) High performance tire characteristics are at odds with the goal of a smooth and quite ride.
3) Porsches, especially with 18" tires and sport suspensions, are extremely stiff and unforgiving and will amplify any road imperfections and tire imbalance.
4) Our tires are wide which results in tramlining and have short, stiff sidewalls which transmit all road irregularities directly to the unforgiving suspension noted above.
As an aside, if you live where the roads take a beating from freezing weather and truck traffic, like me, a Porsche is really not a good choice for a daily driver! I am not a fan of SUVs, but when I watch one lumber over a pothole that would probably cause a bent rim if I wasn't paying close attention and dodged another bullit, it does make me reconsider my priorities (but not for too long
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I agree with your numbered points... however, I disagree with this last statement.
I drive from Orange County NY to Stamford CT everyday... 110 miles round trip. First in my 01 C4 and now my 04 C4S Cab... My Porsche is no more/less uncomfortable than any decent car. Is it more comfortable than my wife's Lexus RX-330 - I THINK SO, but most would say no.
Either way they are awesome daily drivers.
Rob
Dude...a lot has changed since this thread was started in 2004 - 18 years ago. Even tire technology has changed a lot since then. Perhaps if you have tire questions, start a new thread, or do a forum search. And you will get a lot of opinions on which tire is best..
Bridgestone Potenza S03, I'm guessing? Summer high performance tire.
For the record, I went with the Michelin PS2s and have stayed with them ever since. To my ears, they seem quieter. The grip is terrific, but I agree with those who've said they can feel squishy. This can be unsettling, but when you push 'em hard, they 100% dig in. It took me a while to get used to it. Perhaps somebody can provide a technical explanation for this? I've always wondered what to call it.
I�ve recently swapped P Zero Rosso�s N4 to Michelin PS 4s on my 2001 cab. I�m running 225/40/18 front and 255/35/18 rear. IMHO the Michelins are a big step up in terms of grip and noise. Phenomenal tyres!
I've had good results with Sumitomos. Not as good as the Michelin but close and a lot less expensive. Quiet and good grip and reasonable wear.
Oh, I have a cab too.
