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I also have a quote to get the RMS and IMS replaced for about $2,000.
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Congrats same situation happened to me just 3900 miles, took the car to a Porsche dealer, did the 2 year major maintenance, changed spark plugs, serpentine belt, changed all the fluids and filters, recently I change all tires, 2600 miles later no problems (knock on wood)
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Congrats same situation happened to me just 3900 miles, took the car to a Porsche dealer, did the 2 year major maintenance, changed spark plugs, serpentine belt, changed all the fluids and filters, recently I change all tires, 2600 miles later no problems (knock on wood)
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Cars are kinetic machines, they are meant to be used so that they lubricate themselves.
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Congrats same situation happened to me just 3900 miles, took the car to a Porsche dealer, did the 2 year major maintenance, changed spark plugs, serpentine belt, changed all the fluids and filters, recently I change all tires, 2600 miles later no problems (knock on wood)
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I don't understand the urge to replace a non-leaky RMS...You're just as likely to create a leak - some people go through two or three and then just give up.
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As far as the IMSB - if this were my car, I'd replace the single-row with either the new dual-row retrofit or the "solution." The "just wait for the clutch" advice doesn't seem like the best approach in this case, since the car for all intents and purposes is still brand new.
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Congrats same situation happened to me just 3900 miles, took the car to a Porsche dealer, did the 2 year major maintenance, changed spark plugs, serpentine belt, changed all the fluids and filters, recently I change all tires, 2600 miles later no problems (knock on wood)
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Well not eggsackly, but I came across a 2003 Carrera with 7,600 miles sitting in a private collection. A real garage queen.
I have read others warning about cars not driven too much which can have problems of their own. Any suggestions about this?
I also have a quote to get the RMS and IMS replaced for about $2,000. Any sense in doing this immediately? Or wait for oil leaks on the garage floor and oil filter shavings?
Check the maintenance records. Even with low mileage, there is a time schedule for fluid changes. Neglecting the time schedule can cause all sorts of problems in low mileage cars, including corrosion from moisture in the fluids. For example, brake fluid is hydrophilic and should therefore be changed every two years regardless of mileage. Personally, I would change the IMS proactively if I was the one buying the car. If the car is still on the original tires then they should be changed also, regardless of the appearance of the tread.
It could be a really great find, but do your homework to make sure it's not a maintenance nightmare.
Collectors tend to care for their cars, so a lot of the things you might worry about w/ a car that's just been underused may not apply to someone who actually collects and maintains vehicles.
I don't understand the urge to replace a non-leaky RMS...You're just as likely to create a leak - some people go through two or three and then just give up. As far as the IMSB - if this were my car, I'd replace the single-row with either the new dual-row retrofit or the "solution." The "just wait for the clutch" advice doesn't seem like the best approach in this case, since the car for all intents and purposes is still brand new.
Sounds like a nice find, if the price is right.
Again as said above, add up all the things that have not been done over the years and plan on doing them. At this point I don't see any premium price wise because of the low milage...you will have to pay for all the deferred maintenance...including new tires. I am guessing that all the engine seals are dry and maybe brittle. Same with all the seals in the shocks and the brakes. Cars are kinetic machines, they are meant to be used so that they lubricate themselves. Wheel bearings may have flat spots, make sure all the electrial motors work, etc., etc. etc. Honestly I'd rather by a sixty or seventy thousand mile car with a good service history than an ultra low milage car that has been sitting all these years.
I agree with the advice to check and replace maintenance items including the IMS.
I think the car does have more value due to ultra low miles. A car is original, tight, and rattle free only once. As pointed out there are potential problems with low usage, but they can all be addressed and you can end up with a sweet car.
If the owner has done the maintenance, great.
If not, deduct the cost from the value he thinks the car is worth.
Postings about ultra low mileage, near "barn find" p-cars come up every couple of weeks, and invariably the majority of rennlisters say beware, run the other way, etc. And yet the postings continue.
I don't get it...do those who make such postings actually think rennlisters are going to change their minds about such cars?
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(rant, rant)
Thanks to all for their sage advice. However, I decided to throw caution to the wind and plunked it (low $30s) down Saturday and drove the **** home 100 miles on the NY State Thruway at speeds approaching 100 mph. (Ist das nicht ein Autobahn?)
Despite needing a brake flush, THE BRAKES CONTINUED TO WORK!. The original tires DID NOT DELAMINATE! Dry, brittle engine seals DID NOT LEAK! Dry seals on shocks and brakes CAUSED NO PROBLEMS! Flat spots on wheel bearings (whatever that is) WERE NOT AN ISSUE! And despite my best efforts to blow it up, THE IMS BEARING REMAINED INTACT!
But seriously, I did have a bit more intelligence to discuss these issues with the indie shop I will ultimately have doing the 'deferred' maintenance. I look forward to spending more time with the forum.
My sentiments exactly. I mean, who in their right mind would want a car with 60k miles over one with far, far, lower mileage? I don't know why people on this board insist on perpetuating this "low-mileage-is-bad" myth with no factual basis. All parts on a car have a useful life. The more miles on the car, the closer those parts are to the end of their useful life.
My post didn't say that a low mileage car was a bad thing, it simply said that an older car with low mileage will have some maintenance needs. If those are addressed, then it could be a good thing. The maintenance schedules for time and mileage are published by Porsche - I didn't fabricate the numbers. There are plenty of stories on this board about people with low mileage cars having major issues. As a buyer, i would certainly want all the relevant information so that I could make an informed decision. Telling a buyer not to worry about anything and that everything will be fine on a low mileage car is every bit as silly as telling a buyer that the engine will fail on a low mileage car.
Congrats same situation happened to me just 3900 miles, took the car to a Porsche dealer, did the 2 year major maintenance, changed spark plugs, serpentine belt, changed all the fluids and filters, recently I change all tires, 2600 miles later no problems (knock on wood)
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Ah, got it, thanks.
It is an interesting purchase decision. When the bought my 996, all the low-mileage cars were out of my price range. Problem solved!
Hmm so a car with 12x,xxx is gonna need some maintenance, may have some issues. A car with 6x,xxx is going to need some maintenance and may have some issues. A car with <10,000 miles may need some maintenance, may have some issues.
Wow who would've thought, it's a car!
Most low mileage collector cars do not just sit. They get started enough and even driven although not much or far. Most collectors are fortunate enough to have money and some knowledge of the cars they collect so they have the means to keep the cars up. This is different from a car whose owner passed or went to prison or whatever and the car has been sitting in a relatives garage for whatever reason for many years. I have bought many cars from collectors and for collectors and in my opinion the new owner who want to actually drive the car will be a happy man. I just got an 18000 mile 14 year old 996 on a trade from a guy with several Ferraris and other vehicles in his stable, none of them have very many miles, he has things done mostly because of the time not the miles. He is financially able to do that without it bothering him. I think he gets just as much pleasure looking in his garage as driving any of them. I have met many just like him.
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