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I will agree with the article- guy I replaced (I work on warships and routinely am referred to as a "technician") was a corvette dude but did **** like drilling through his hand, rebuilding an engine but not putting the timing belt back on, etc.
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Once they have a lot of experience repairing the learned system that some engineer designed, they can come up with hacks and mods to make that particular malfunction less likely.
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I run an engineering department that modifies aircraft.
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And then these ideas are presented as fully robust and equal to production work (which was actually designed and tested by engineers).
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Once they have a lot of experience repairing the learned system that some engineer designed, they can come up with hacks and mods to make that particular malfunction less likely.
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Repair porsche , here is an explanation
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If you are an Engineer and are humiliated by the wrenching prowess of mere Mechanics in repairing your Porsche , here is an explanation for your inadequacy
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Repair porsche , here is an explanation
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If you are an Engineer and are humiliated by the wrenching prowess of mere Mechanics in repairing your Porsche , here is an explanation for your inadequacy
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I will agree with the article- guy I replaced (I work on warships and routinely am referred to as a "technician") was a corvette dude but did **** like drilling through his hand, rebuilding an engine but not putting the timing belt back on, etc.
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That matters as much to me as the color of their car- sorry, makes no difference to me.
If you are an Engineer and are humiliated by the wrenching prowess of mere Mechanics in repairing your Porsche , here is an explanation for your inadequacy
http://jalopnik.com/engineers-are-no...ics-1795601329
What the article fails to mention(from our perspective0 is the different Technical education system in Germany and the much higher staus(& pay) a Meister enjoys. If you are academically gifted enough to study Engineering at University but you have an aptitude for mechanics they will nurture and reward that.
Yup. Pretty accurate. I finished EE and I still have trouble with auto electrical systems. Not a lot translates from theory and development to repair. Two ends of the spectrum.
It's also the the whole attitude that mechanics feel engineers over engineering make simple tasks difficult. I think it's a healthy competitive think tank.
So I am an engineer - Mechanical BS, Software MS. I run an engineering department that modifies aircraft. I have a few engineers that are just text book savvy, however since we design, build and install modifications - most my engineers are handy with a wrench, and quite a few of them are car guys/girls.
I am a mechanic, and seeing some of the design choices that have been made on the brand I work on, the question "who the f**k thought this was a good idea ?" is a daily occurrence.
Having the opportunity to work on test bed cars also makes me realize it's not all the engineers fault. Most of the test bed vehicles, if not all that i have seen got full services because the cluster said it was due by time, not miles. While some engineers are not in contact with the real world of potholes, road salt and improperly maintained vehicles, accounting comes into play with alot of decisions that are made. Many a Mercedes M272/273 intake manifold has been discarded because of a plastic lever that should have been metal.
Its a s***ty slope, just hits the last guy down the hardest, that being the mechanic.
I have worked on cars for decades, less so these days in my older age. I'm also a design engineer by trade and worked for many companies on many projects/products.
Bad designs exists by default, to avoid bad designs takes effort. If the bad design does not directly affect the customers or a sale then it is not a high priority to replace it with good design.
Still working on my new to me 996 and there are lots of poor areas that could be better designed to save customers time and money on repairs, but that would mean *less* profit for porsche as less hours to bill.
The whole "its a porsche therefore must be expensive" is a tail porsche plays well.
A lot of market share for brands such as this will lose out in the next wave of EV's and car sharing due to dramatically simpler designs and lower costs.
My feeling is its why porsche has been slow to adopt EV tech, they simply can't figure out a business model to force you to the dealer with an inherently reliable simple EV, but its going to cost them in the long run...
Went to engineering school (Ga Tech) and work in an office, but I love to wrench on my cars, and fix things in general. I get much more satisfaction out of fixing something and using it than working on a never ending project that involves primarily paperwork.
I'm a mechanic that got an engineering degree. Now I can pick and choose what I work on and what to hire out. True story the class that made me angriest was mechanical engineering design 1. For the life of me, I couldn't comprehend how many 3rd year engineering students could not understand nuts, bolts, washers and their various types. It was infuriating. I started helping in the race car shop at 5. My first job was using a wire wheel to beat back surface rust on the new race car chassis.
What I don't understand is why people that email us always have to say "I'm an Engineer" when making inquiries... That matters as much to me as the color of their car- sorry, makes no difference to me.
Its like they are applying for a job here, not enquiring about purchasing an engine.. It's not like I'm going to allow them to design their own engine, or even give me a single word of advice about how to do my job.
Doctors, surgeons, attorneys, and no one else in any profession does this. I've built an engine for an astronaut , and he didn't have to tell me that he was an astronaut...
I had a 3rd year British Engineering student come here in 2007 for a 6 month apprenticeship... In the first 3 weeks he lost tools, left fasteners loose, and almost burned the shop down when he started a fire in the dyno test cell.. I sent his *** home 5 months early.
Ok, rant off!
Mechanics don't design systems. They learn other's systems and how to repair them. Once they have a lot of experience repairing the learned system that some engineer designed, they can come up with hacks and mods to make that particular malfunction less likely.
Being a good wrench doesnt require
engineering skills, just the ability to understand someone else's system and follow repair procedures, developed by engineers. Those wrench monkeys, will eventually realize through repetition that a particular design is flawed and should be modified.
Engineers have a different skill set. They are problem solvers/solution designers and not fixers.
Common to great engineers and mechanics is creativity. Creativity is what separates great engineers and mechanics from the average ones.
Just my humble opinion.
Lol! ME here.. and I can confirm all that has been said.. On the other hand I have friends (ME's) that can program a vvt turbo to make life great. I used to mechanic, and wrench for a long time before i got to get a piece of paper sayin I could work on other stuff.. Love all the funnies, it's awesome. Jake, I would like to build a 996 motor at some point. I'm gonna do you're class so another ME on the hook..werd
And some of paid our way through university working in European car garages . I got my red seal and a couple years later an engineering degree .
both are of equal value , it's more and , not either or.
Huh? Engineers don't fix things? The crazy stuff we have to read on the internet!
My concern with the different skill sets is when mechanics/technicians who are not engineers create after-market parts or alternative designs, which somebody else above appropriately referred to as "hacks and mods". And then these ideas are presented as fully robust and equal to production work (which was actually designed and tested by engineers).
I read somewhere that Canadian Engineers are presented with an Iron ring (Stainless steel now) to remind them to have Pride , (which I'm sure many of you have) and Humility (That's not showing up in a lot of postings here.)
It was put in place after the first Quebec bridge collapsed due to ....wow, would you look at that, the poor planning and oversight of engineers.
I am not saying one is better than the other.
All I'm saying is don't forget the little guys that have to fix your messes......
My last automotive engineering job was redesign of things based on customer or plant assembly or maintenance complaints. I'm glad that's not my current job. Trying to re engineer marginal designs for no budget is a huge headache.
humility? My first job ever was road maintenance in the Texas heat in the area that is a desert. I'm glad that's behind me too. I will freely admit I pay others to do difficult mechanic jobs now, but I won't be ripped off either due to my background.
Jake,
As I am almost positive that I did this, I'll tell you why. I just want you to not hold back any technical information for fear that it is "over my head." I want the grittiest of details when we are talking about the procedure. It sounds like maybe revealing that I'm an engineer encourages you to do the opposite haha
I get that almost any 996 owner is a "car person" and not just a car user, so it's not like you've got many of the type of customers that are dropping it off like you're Jiffy Lube anyways.
I will agree with the article- guy I replaced (I work on warships and routinely am referred to as a "technician") was a corvette dude but did **** like drilling through his hand, rebuilding an engine but not putting the timing belt back on, etc. I do both, but lots of engineers can't.
"Are the rumors true that Grinder was conceived by an out-of-work, frustrated mechanical engineer?"
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Unmasking yourself just makes me be that much more careful with accepting the job- in most cases. It won't make a single difference about the technical details that I share, as thats the same with everyone, every time. Most of the time I handle things this way, as I want to see how the person responds to the information I have given them. Its not what they say, but how they say it that tells me what I need to know about working with them.
Let's just say that the last 27 years of owning this engine building business (I had my first paying customer at age 13 for a 914 engine) have taught me more about people, than about building engines.
Doesn't matter who they are, where they come from, what they do for a living, or where they are. We do business the same way every time, follow the same punch lists from admin to technical sides of the process, as well. I run this place in a military manner.
I work with mechanical things, and even though the name "mechanic" today isn't cool, and is generally derogatory. I accept that title as I work with mechanical things, and thats my life; but, I prefer Inventor.
what they are trying to get across is that you can be technical. If my wife calls you and asks for an engine she has no idea what compression ratios are, timing advance, bore and stroke, etc. Most engineers do (from my experience).
There's a certain amount of backlash, and some level of eye-roll that often goes with the job.
I think it has to do with the fact that an engineer designed that 'thing'. Whatever it is, from a guitar pick to a nuclear reactor, an engineer is responsible for the design. Some things are designed well. Some are designed poorly, and some are a masterwork of elegance. There's a lot of in-between too. I designed the radiation monitoring system for some older style pressure water reactors. It was not a masterwork of elegance. It was not a mess either. However, I've come across designs which are absolute dreck.
Look at what we're talking about with the M96. Some jack banana Hanz or Franz decided that the sealed ball bearing was suitable for the end of a shaft, inside an engine where 200F moderately contaminated oil would exist. That = 'eye-roll' time, or even worse a certain amount of hater-aide.
Also, when you get to know people it's common to ask 'hey - what kind of work do you do?'. I could(and have) tell them I'm a baker, or a salesman, or a pool contractor. No one notices, or cares. When I say in response, I'm an engineer - well, it often tends to set off a reaction. Back to the eye-roll or snicker. You noticed it, so do many others. Sorry, but it's a good job, and I enjoy it.
I see the problem here! I have owned a bunch of MGs and Triumphs and have had more than one try to burn themselves down! It's that "British Engineering".
There are also other things to take into account. My father never had any formal education in engineering but he is a great engineer in every sense. He used to design and build race car parts that were lighter, stronger and better than the competition which is why he was a crew chief at small events including the 24 hrs of LeMans.
There is a difference between being a pure mechanic and book smart engineer. Every now and then you will find a person that can do both. My first boss was a registered professional engineer with a high school diploma.
