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YOUR RESEARCH1999 996 - Considering purchase
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I also did not have a PPI done, but then not long after purchase found an LN certified installed on their site, had all the checks done prior, then updated the IMSB and had other things replaced like AOS and clutch.
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I also did not have a PPI done, but then not long after purchase found an LN certified installed on their site, had all the checks done prior, then updated the IMSB and had other things replaced like AOS and clutch.
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You could check a local locksmith to see if they can cut a laser cut key.
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Also, check the underside of the Aerokit wing to make sure it's a legit Porsche part.
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You can buy non aero cars for $20 or less, but a clean aero car is worth quite a bit more.
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I also did not have a PPI done, but then not long after purchase found an LN certified installed on their site, had all the checks done prior, then updated the IMSB and had other things replaced like AOS and clutch.
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I also did not have a PPI done, but then not long after purchase found an LN certified installed on their site, had all the checks done prior, then updated the IMSB and had other things replaced like AOS and clutch.
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Ask for a picture of the option code sticker under the front hood....factory aerokit option code is XAA
If a factory aerokit car and with those miles...plus it's an early build car....that price is fair if everything checks out. Red interiors (and sports seats) seem to bring a premium these days
'99 (dual row IMS bearing) has a lower failure rate. But, can still fail
I have an early '99, built 4/98.
I've been considering the possibility of selling it.
I see you are in Maine.I am in Massachusetts.
I am the 3rd owner, there are 86k miles on it. It has a Jake Raby FSI Stage 1 Street Performer 3.6 with about 13k miles on it. So, it has the Nicky cylinders and IMS Solution, etc. Most all the M96 worries are addressed.
You can read about it here..
http://flat6innovations.com/services/performer/
I've added more preventative work and parts along the way.
BUT, I'd need to get slightly more than the car you are looking at.
If you are interested in knowing more, PM me and I will send my phone number.
Good luck with your search.
If that�s a factory aero kit and PPI checks out I think that cars worth every bit of $25k. Boxster red interior with sport seats, aero kit, low miles, and a 1999? I�d make a offer and see what happens.
https://bringatrailer.com/listing/19...1-carrera-111/
https://bringatrailer.com/listing/19...11-carrera-97/
https://bringatrailer.com/listing/19...1-carrera-126/
I think this assessment is spot on. You can buy non aero cars for $20 or less, but a clean aero car is worth quite a bit more. Go price OEM Porsche aero parts....
If you’ll do some research, you’ll find out that this is a GREAT deal!
If I were in the market for a first(and last) 911, then this would likely be it!
Wish my budget was enough to buy this one!
I agree with the 25k estimate. Lots of unique stuff there, But definitely verify with the options. If it’s factory, it’s reasonable to guess that it also has an LSD given the configuration.
Of course, I’ve got a silver over red 99, so I’m a bit biased...
Early 99 with the ambers and fried eggs.
Boxster red with Aero and sport seats is nice.
Don't like the black wheels but that's easily fixed.
Get a picture of the option code listing under the hood.
Those rear spats look factory but I think they were an addon to the factory Aero - could be wrong though.
I paid $16k for mine three years ago. It had 83k miles, had no recorded accidents, and came with receipts for an LN Engineering IMS and RMS replacement at 60k miles. That car has got some nice features, but not $28k worth. And considering it�s a dealer, add $3k or more to get it out the door.
Nope.
early '99 low mileage aero kit cars with red interiors bring a premium these days. Seriously. Values have gone up on cars like the one the OP posted (assuming it's a factory aerokit car and the engine checks out).
It will take the right buyer to see the value and pay beyond the average 996 prices.
Some additional highlights are 18" Turbotwist hollow spokes, bigger red brakes, full leather, new Topline headers, 200 cell cats, 4 new O2 sensors, new coil paks. This is a drive and enjoy car. It should have very little needs for miles to come. According to Jake, I still have a couple thousand more miles to consider it broken in. I also have a couple oil changes worth of DT40 for when the day comes, after the motor logs 15k miles.
I can tell you, there is over $50k invested in this car. I'm not complaining and planned on it when I bought it. I wanted the best 996 experience I could get, money aside. I've had that and would expect it to continue if it stays with me.
Search my posts and you will see more of the car.
I'm not ready post an official "For Sale", but will talk to a serious buyer. I'm not ready for BAT, but maybe in a year or so for that route.
The FSI engine is probably worth $15-$20k depending on milage.
The engine is over $20k new.
If you can buy a $20k car with FSI engine for $30k then it's a great deal.
I'm sorry, and did not intend to start or want to start a "For Sale" thread. I don't want to reach or deal with the "wider" market. I'm looking for that 1 person who sees the value. I posted, because I saw you were from Maine, driving distance from me.. I'm looking for the buyer that can come to my house and spend as many hours as they need to really know the car.
I really wish you the best of luck.
I'm out.............................................
Perhaps. But also know that the IMS bearing failure is higher on cars that barely get driven. If it hasn�t been addressed, I�d take care of that before you drive it much, if at all.
Exactly. Mine is a 99(build date 4/98 with the dual row IMSB), just turned 102k and no issues. I drive it daily. Recently listed it so we'll see if it gets any interest.
my car is sitting in the shop getting an IMS done right now, but how do you know any of that? Please dont tell me it's because you've read it here. I've read it all as well and listened to some of it but I'm not confusing that with having real knowledge on the subject.
That�s a nice looking car and worth $25k all day long. Not a fan of the black wheels but that�s easily changed. For comparison, I sold my 99 factory aero with 81k miles on BaT last year for $25k. The days of $20k well maintained aero 996s I think are long gone.
My 2 cents worth - there are a lot of one or two owner 996's out there that already have the IMS done and have been very well taken care of with a stack of receipts, and can be bought for high teens to mid twenties. PCA has many listings every month, and tuners and independent Porsche repair ships often have good leads for well maintained customer cars. However, if you love the car, buy it as long as you are okay with the price. Porsche's are like puppies - the initial purchase price is just the beginning of an expensive life together!
yeah and that's my point (not a knock on you) I've purchased an ln part and wil continue to support some of these vendors any chance I can get. But there were 175k+ 996's produced and while there is some solid information on this site and contributors on this forum the rest of it is vendor ads masked as posts. If/when these cars depreciate another 2k the economics of replacing an engine vs buying a replacement car is a no brainer and that is going to hurt some people/vendors but it's still a fact. Ims last week, aos this week everlasting gobstopper next week and zero qunatatative evidence only marketing. 996 is a great car it has faults and it's priced accordingly ( its old and mass produced accept it). I just got a bill for a 3rd of the value of the car. I'm ok with that it was 100% elective not peventivitve maintenance. It's a 996 not an f40. There are NO real numbers to support the claim your cars going to explode just ads and opinions driven by those ads/posts as you just acknowledged. Enjoy it and if it helps you sleep than absolutely buy "x" part and support the businesses that is putting out good axillary content, but you should also accept that it's an ad.
Nice looking car...but they always are in online pics! I agree...should be around 20k. if everything is on the up and up. I bought my 1999 cab with under 70k for around 17 in 2017...with the IMS done. Don't drop any of the Maine lobsters in there, you'll never find them!!
It�s a full leather car, which personally is a must-have for me in a 996. As said above, you�re looking for XAA to confirm the Aerokit, XAD will confirm the rear spats, and 220 for LSD and M030 for the sports suspension are also other desirable options.
Btw, the rear taco wing wing is missing the Gurney lip spoiler on top of the lower wing element. That makes me suspect that this isn�t an XAA car. If it isn�t, then I�d still say the car is worth $22k-$24k assuming everything else checks out.
You�re absolutely right. That�s why I put those comps up. They all went significantly higher than $25k.
The car in question is worth every bit of $25k withstanding the aero kit from factory even with questionable maintenance history.
Show me a comp purchased in the last 6 months for less...
Not real? I sold a car on BaT and got paid in legal funds from a US bank by a real buyer. Total time from contacting BaT to sold was 2 weeks.
BaT probably does reflect the upper end of the market, but it�s very real. And honestly it seems like outside BaT prices are trending that way. I bet my 996 would bring more than I paid, but I�m not selling.
FWIW I purchased my factory XAA guards red on beige 996 from a dealership for $27k with 23k on the odometer. It even has a few less options than the one posted. Turned around and put about $3,800 into preventative maintenance after purchase. It was worth every penny, albeit my own personal opinion, but when it comes to purchasing a car for
yourself,
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opinion matters.
Drive it, check the maintenance history, PPI if you feel so inclined, and if it ticks all the right boxes then go for it. You'll always get people saying "x" car costs too much, or too little, is a garbage deal, or a great deal. That's just the way it is.
This one is posted over at Pelican. The price is a bit on the higher side given the mileage, but it�s had a lot of recent and expensive maintenance recently done. That matters more and more on cars of this age. No affiliation; just an FYI from a fellow Aerokit lover.
http://forums.pelicanparts.com/porsc...00-w-aero.html
Bummer about the Aerokit being non-factory installed. Even if it isn't, there are folks who've paid thousands of dollars to have that installed so all that matters is how much the "XAA" code means to you (and how much you're willing to pay). It does make their current ask too high IMHO, though.
220 is LSD and is considered rare and desirable.
What sort of maintenance records come with the car? There's no such thing as a cheap Porsche: you pay now or pay later. But the worst thing would be a to pay now for an overpriced car in need of standard maintenance..... Some folks believe that you can't charge in the secondary market for maintenance performed but I don't think that's true in the Porsche world, especially when we are dealing with cars in the Classics realm.
Just my $.02.
Also, check the underside of the Aerokit wing to make sure it's a legit Porsche part. There should be an embossed stamping showing "Turnwald" and possibly "Made in France" (some of the early cars/tacos don't have the France stamp). There are a few aftermarket Taco wings out there and my opinion is that it impacts the value proposition.
Well then I guess it depends on how much you want THIS car. If it were me and I shopping for a real XAA car, then I'd be waiting for another to pop up or at least inquiring about the black one posted above.
030 is the factory sport suspension. That combined with the seats and LSD indicates someone bought it to have some fun! It's too bad it doesn't have XAA, but it remains a good spec and at least looks good from the photos. Though I agree that the rear spats don't add much visually.
Any 20+ year old sports car is going to be a roll of the dice in terms of issues no matter what any inspection reveals (or doesn't reveal), so it's all about what you want. If this checks your boxes, then it's worth further consideration. If you don't want a non-factory aerokit then it's time to move on...
XAA isn�t a big deal to me.
I added the spoiler and sideskirts to mine myself.
I bought my car to enjoy and drive the heck out of, not to collect and hope someday to make money on.
If you�re looking for a fun driver, don�t worry about originality.
https://www.cargurus.com/Cars/invent...ting=271921803
https://www.cargurus.com/Cars/invent...ting=268705350
https://www.cargurus.com/Cars/invent...ting=258253386
And I just saw a guy pick up this same car but with a TIP for $15K and only 45K miles...
My .2 Gt3 Aero wing has the info on underside of decklid. Maybe Taco is in same place?
that said, it appears to be adjustable and looks like authentic part.
The option sheet says 408: 18" 993 Turbo Technology hollow spoke wheels
Based on the shape and metal valve stem, looks like they could be the originals that were painted at some point. If that�s the case, it�s another nice addition. Like I said before, this was clearly optioned up with a focus on driving!
https://dirtyoldcars.com/porsche-hol...el-technology/
as a reference, I paid $27k for a zenith blue aerokit 99 with under 30k miles on it. it didn't have sport seats or LSD. if you like the car, then buy it; or I might
Glad you were able to take it for a drive! If possible, you should drive some other 996s for comparison.
The 996 wheel does not have height adjustment. When I'm shopping for a vehicle I'm not too familiar with, I find it quite helpful to read the owner's manual if possible. Here is a pdf version for the 996. May not be exactly right depending on year an options, but it should fill in some blanks.
https://www.scribd.com/document/9249...ual-Porsch-996
And if you don't have a code reader, you can get one for cheap that will give you the basics of any CELs. You should definitely figure out the cause of the light if you decide to proceed further. Could be a gas cap or something more $$
FYI, 99 Aerokit just with similar miles and less options just went live on BaT:
https://bringatrailer.com/listing/1999-porsche-911-41/
I wouldn’t offer much if I didn’t know what the CEL was from.
I personally would never look at any car without a scanner, even a cheap one.
Of course I have a scanner in all of my cars.
I’m constantly having people ask me to “look at their car.”
I have these in all the glove boxes or trunks:
Amazon
Amazon
... except when I loan them out.
I don’t loan out the Snap-on scanners.
If you strip off the aero kit and substitute black leather interior and add 30K miles, that's basically the car I bought in 2018 for abouth $17.5K, and that was out the door, sales tax and all. If it has the IMS work done already and all its service records then $20K is a good starting point. I take my car to an indy tech, and have paid $3-4K per year on maintenance. Though that is CA labor rates and an older car.
I don't like the aero kit or red leather myself but you do you! Good luck.
Did you ever find out why the CEL was on? That would be a pretty big factor depending on what code it's throwing. The one on BAT looks promising, will be interesting to see what it bids to over the week considering how well sorted it is.
Identical known issues and unknown issues cost the same.
I�d rather buy something WITH known issues.
It�s the unknown issues that frighten most people.
Thats why people thouoghly inspect vehicles/pay for PPIs.
Pretty funny as I was trying to do some research on the number of 996 Aero's (XAA) that were manufactured and happened to run across this post. I'm actually the individual who purchased the BaT car referenced below and I may have over-paid, but the car appears to be very well maintained and I followed the adage of "buy the nicest Porsche you can afford". Also, a couple thousand premium won't matter in 5 years as I don't see this car going down in value.
Also in reference to the CEL, I totally agree with what TexSquirrel said on the prior car as it's seldom that simple. As an example, I just spent 18 months (and $15K+) trying to get the CEL corrected on my 2001 Ferrari Barchetta and that's with me doing most of the work, but maybe that was the problem.
Anyway, small world and if I run across any XAA's, I'll send them your way Aaron.
Or does it bother you when you see dirt and leaves all over the carpet/interior/exterior when listing a car for sale? If you can't clean that up to make it look presentable prior to listing the car, what does that say about how you maintain it when no one is looking........geesh.
Have you tried FB market place? There are some cars there that aren't posted on car selling sites
https://www.facebook.com/marketplace...67346431174328
I purchased mine sight unseen aside from the online ad, however there was supplemental previous owner receipts for even small repairs being done which made me feel better about its care. I also did not have a PPI done, but then not long after purchase found an LN certified installed on their site, had all the checks done prior, then updated the IMSB and had other things replaced like AOS and clutch. It wasn't a conventional purchase by Porsche owner terms, but like you said, it's the buyers risk to assume.
The question still remains though, what was discovered with the CEL?
You could check a local locksmith to see if they can cut a laser cut key. Second alternative is to take a picture of your key and contact these guys. They can cut a key from a picture and send it to you.
https://keysinthepost.com/
