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YOUR RESEARCHSpin-on oil filter adapter came off with the filter
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Use large pair of channel locks
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Used a large pair of Channel Locks to hold the filter and strap wrench on the adapter.
Spin-on oil filter adapter came off with the filter
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I use the larger of the two to hold the spin-on adapter on place and the smaller to remove the filter, although I suspect by now the filter adapter is permanently stuck to my engine.
Spin-on oil filter adapter came off with the filter
by now the filter adapter is permanently stuck
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I use the larger of the two to hold the spin-on adapter on place and the smaller to remove the filter, although I suspect by now the filter adapter is permanently stuck to my engine.
Spin-on oil filter adapter came off with the filter
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I recognize this is likely a very limited restriction.
Spin-on oil filter adapter came off with the filter
Check gasket
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Check the gasket for tears before you reinstall the adapter.
Spin-on oil filter adapter came off with the filter
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by now the filter adapter is permanently stuck
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I use the larger of the two to hold the spin-on adapter on place and the smaller to remove the filter, although I suspect by now the filter adapter is permanently stuck to my engine.
Spin-on oil filter adapter came off with the filter
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There was a trip to Autozone and much cursing, but it worked.
Strap wrenches. Or at least one strap wrench and a screwdriver through the filter for leverage.
Check the gasket for tears before you reinstall the adapter.
There was a trip to Autozone and much cursing, but it worked. Used a large pair of Channel Locks to hold the filter and strap wrench on the adapter. Thanks.
Glad it helped. The good news is that you'll use the strap wrench for loads of different jobs - they're really handy to have around, even the crappy AutoZone (or maybe HF) 2-pack I bought.
I use the larger of the two to hold the spin-on adapter on place and the smaller to remove the filter, although I suspect by now the filter adapter is permanently stuck to my engine.
Your not the first person to have the adapter come off like that. I'm still using the OEM cartridge filter. Easier to inspect the filter after oil changes.
Once you suck it up and buy a filter cutter, it's not appreciably harder to inspect the spin-on filters. As a bonus, I don't miss the worries of cross-threading or cracking the crappy OEM plastic housing.
I would laugh, but I do the same thing.
I just bought the adapter and will install at the next oil change. I guess I will be using either blue or red loctite.
This was probably my 6th oil change with the adapter in place. I always worried about it coming off with the filter but it never happened. Due to recent health issues, I was instructing my son on how to do the oil change. I think he turned the filter the wrong way at first and then when he went in the correct direction, everything came off in one piece.
No harm. Lesson learned and now I have the correct tools to deal with it should it happen again.
Jake, and please folks, lets not start a whole war over this, but I read that spin on filters also have bypasses? Are these different than the Porsche system?
From bob the oil guy:
Under ideal conditions, the bypass valve will never open. When it opens, the oil by passes the filter and goes on through to the motor, obviously unfiltered. It is a safety valve. However, in real operation, it opens often.
One example is when you start the motor when cold. The oil is thick and does not pass easily through the filtration medium, thus building up to a high pressure drop. So, the bypass valve opens to prevent oil-starvation of the motor. How long it stays open is dependent on how cold the oil is and how long it takes to get near operating temperature. When the pressure drop across the filtration medium drops below the bypass valve setting.
Another example can occur when the motor is fully warmed. At idle, the oil pressure is about 15 to 20 psi, and the pressure drop across the filter is about 1 or 2 psi. You take off towards the redline, and quickly build oil pressure. During that full-throttle acceleration the pressure drop across the filter will exceed the bypass setting, and send unfiltered oil to the motor, until the pressure across the filter has time to equalize. During a drag race, shifting through the gears, the bypass will open several times.
A third example, which you should never experience with frequent oil and filter changes, is when a filter becomes clogged. A spin-on filter can commonly hold 10 to 20 grams of trash before it becomes fully clogged. The bypass valve opening is the only way to keep the motor from becoming oil-starved if the filter becomes clogged.
According to Purolator, the Honda OEM filter bypass setting is 12 to 14 psi. WIX (NAPA Gold) builds their oil filters with a bypass setting of 8 to 11 psi, while AC Delco builds theirs to a setting of 11 to 17 psi. How much do these differences matter? I don't think anyone knows, even the engineers, and each has its own set of advantages and disadvantages.
If you do lots of racing, you're probably better off with a higher bypass setting.
If you do lots of *cold* starting, especially in the winter, or seldom change your filter, I think you're better off with a lower bypass setting. However, with few exceptions, bypass pressures for spin-on filters run in the 8 to 17 psi range, and any of them should work acceptably.
There's no getting around it.. There's no bypass.. The filter sees 100% of the oil 100% of the time. There's no bypass in the adaptor.
The difference with the OEM design is the bypass and it's spring are not changed every time the filter is.. They stay in service for years, where the bypass sees thousand of heat cycles and operation. This weakens the spring and makes the unit filter less, and less oil as it ages.
That's why it sucks.
I have a Patent pending on a new design made specifically for my engines.
With a bypass system to address potential starvation issues? Any ETA?
I'm guessing the springs in the stock system is not replaceable? That would be far too easy
There are no starvation issues with the non- bypass system. If an M96 engine creates enough debris to clog a filter to the point where it causes starvation due to clog, the engine will scatter... It will scatter before it gets to that point.
I developed my system for my engines to Patent another good idea before someone else does. The arrangement has 3 other pieces of art that make it novel, as well. we have learned that if you don't constantly evolve the offerings and protect them, that other people will rip off the design as their own.
The spin on filter adaptor was the first M96 product that LN brought to market. It's been available for a decade and thousands have been sold. I have used them on all of my engines since day #1.
I hope I never get to experience that level of debris in any engine. I was more referring to the limitation of flow through the filter in the cold start or high rpm condition mentioned in the previous post. I recognize this is likely a very limited restriction. Does the protection of a non-bypass system come from the location of the filter in the stream? Sorry for so many questions, I"m just interested in educating myself....I know you have enough desktop experts being dicks, I assure you that is not my intent.
About 30% of my engines go to Canada, and most of the cars are not stored over the winter. My engine line up has been proven in cold climates since the beginning.
If you use the proper oil, in the proper grade, you'll not have any problems. In testing we performed evaluations in temps as low as -10F.
So, Jake, if you have a new design with several improvements, when might it hit the market? I'm wanting a spin-on adapter, but if a better design is imminent, I want to avoid the "doh!" event.
It won't hit the market. It will be included on my engines, only. Pretty much all my developments these days are for my engine program only.
Go with the classic LN unit, its worked tens of thousands of times. I am the guy that is always looking to build the best mouse trap, and features matter when we have so many copy cats trying to miracle themselves into the engine market.
