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I know a fair amount about the progression of small-block V8 engines used by Corvette over the years, but I don't think I'd wander into a C6 forum and call someone out for being stupid and an embarrassment to Corvette enthusiasts worldwide for making a similar mistake.
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****, a parts house for them has countless titleless frames laying around that can't really be used for much.
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True, but it still wouldn't change the fact that you're the 996 forum's resident
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I know a fair amount about the progression of small-block V8 engines used by Corvette over the years, but I don't think I'd wander into a C6 forum and call someone out for being stupid and an embarrassment to Corvette enthusiasts worldwide for making a similar mistake.
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Yea, they should have placed it on a gold plated rotating pedestal
I'm waiting for Jake to tell us that's an engine case of a $250,000 911 on a bad day.
You missed this one on bring a trailer.
http://bringatrailer.com/2014/01/07/...1-4-cam-motor/
It was on EBay for starting bid of $98000. It was more complete, just a little older.
If I had won that recent Powerball lottery, I would have bought this, drilled some holes through it, and made a cool lamp out of it.
Also, whilst drilling the holes, I would have made more in interest than I paid for it.
It's more than likely different but for some old guzzi motorcycle engines you can go all day (or could as of a year or two ago) and get some that were more "grey" market with a serial that didn't have a title. These were mostly salvage bikes, "finds" and/or stuff that was in poor condition. ****, a parts house for them has countless titleless frames laying around that can't really be used for much.
So yes, you could buy it and make a table, or I'm sure (maybe) you could buy a worthless one that doesn't have any of the required documentation.
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You want to see an expensive engine, you should try seeing how much an Oldsmobile quad4 land speed record engine goes for. I bet you could purchase every Porsche engine out there and you might be close to one of those....and it was made by GM
What's shocking is the listing is for an engine case, far from a complete engine.
The same seller has another similar engine case for sale, for 20x less. Go figure.
http://www.ebay.com/itm/PORSCHE-901-...3D172080410869
Sounds reasonable to me and not shocking at all - take a look at today's market values for early model 911's. Restoring an older model 911 and missing the period correct engine that's pocket change...
While a 4-cylinder 2-liter engine making 500HP/liter is damn impressive, I'm not convinced that it would be worth more than "every Porsche engine out there."
Stuffing enough fuel and air without blowing it up requires some serious work, daddy-bankrolled Supra kiddies have been coaxing 1300-1500HP plus out of 3.2 liter engines for years. Like 1,500HP Supras, land speed record engines only need to hold together long enough for race day.
No, that's not a similar engine. The ignorance of 996 owners makes me sad. You aren't Porsche people.
The first 232 911s were 1964 cars. They are super rare and every single one of them is worth 20 times what a 996 is worth. The engine in the first ad is super special and while the price seems mile high, if the person who owns the chassis it belongs to is out there, it's probably worth twice the asking price.
Then you have a 72-73 mag case 2.4 Nearly a decade later in the production of these cars. Run of the mill stuff by then. The comparison is basically posting the ad on a 996 RSR and then posting an ad for a 996 Cabriolet and saying,"I don't understand the difference in price". That's like the captain obvious post of the year. You clearly don't understand the difference.
The guy you're calling out as ignorant is one of the most knowledgeable M96 "enthusiast" mechanics I've seen. We may not know much about your lawnmower engines, but that doesn't mean that we aren't enthusiasts about the brand and about our own cars.
Thanks to some recent gifts from RL moderators, I can't explain with perfect anatomical detail where you can put your head on your way out the door; perhaps someone else will chime in.
Go away, you angry toady. Go back to the land of cars that smell like Old Spice and Ben Gay.
^ That would only be necessary when selling to ignorant 996 owners. A true Porsche enthusiast would recognize this block as - and I use technical terms here, so bear with me - "super special" and "super rare."
Super.
"You fool! You ignorant fool! That block is SUPER rare!"
Ignorant: lacking knowledge, information, or awareness about something in particular.
He may know more than anyone else in the world about M96 engines but he clealrly does not know his Porsche engine history. If he did he wouldn't be saying the things he is.
As for angry? I'm not angry. I see a lot of outrage in this thread about the asking price of an an engine. That makes me sad. I'm sad that people claiming to be enthusiasts don't know and respect the history of what is a wonderful brand of cars. That history includes 996s which get snubbed by many air cooled purists. I'm not one of them.
I see from your other posts that you work/worked in the auto business. Do you treat customers who roll in the door with such blatant disrespect? Or is it just on the Internet that it's acceptable to unload on a total stranger?
You seem to have a wealth of information to share; I'm puzzled why you felt the need to demean a total stranger in the course of correcting a flawed assumption.
I know a fair amount about the progression of small-block V8 engines used by Corvette over the years, but I don't think I'd wander into a C6 forum and call someone out for being stupid and an embarrassment to Corvette enthusiasts worldwide for making a similar mistake. And I'm not even a good person.
"He may know more than anyone else in the world about M96 engines but he clealrly does not know his Porsche engine history. If he did he wouldn't be saying the things he is. "
So effing what? If he was online trying to buy kiddie ****, I'd understand the level of vitriol in your post - but calling the entire 996 ownership out for an oversight?
Maybe I'm just reading too much into
"The ignorance of 996 owners makes me sad. You aren't Porsche people. "
If you're representative of "Porsche people," I think I'm good not being one.
Not at all. I snubbed you, a 996 owner, not the car. I own a 986 Boxster and a 2005 Cup Car. I have genuine respect for the engineering that went into all Porsches.
I'm sorry. The premise of this thread is to talk trash about an engine someone is selling. My bad for stepping in and pointing out that the premise is flawed. I'll leave you guys to pat each other on the back for your witty quips about how that engine is overpriced. I wouldn't want the voice of reason to interfere with a good old fashioned internet forum pile on.
Ah, yes, roll in, say something indefensibly stupid, and then bow out on a technicality. How "super!"
Your claim to have rolled in here as "the voice of reason" is laughable. At least own the fact that you were being a jerk.
I have seen GTgears in the racing and de forum for a long time. He's good people. Why he posted that fairly regrettable phrase that us 996 people aren't true Porsche people or whatever is beyond me. *shrug*
GTgear, I knew something is special about the engine (or engine case) hence this thread to satisfy my own curiosity. I was hoping Jake would chime in to educate us (he did before on another thread on a very expensive aircooled 911 on ebay) but your information is useful and fascinating too.
I don't know your definition of Porsche people but all I care is how I enjoy Porsche and its engineering behind.
Ok, I'll apologize. I use hyperbole from time to time. Sometimes it doesn't deliver well. Obviously you guys are car people. You are also Porsche people.
The posts here, and that one in particular just read as so sour. Maybe you guys don't realize it but as someone who knows the Porsche family of engines intimately the comment was just plain silly. I'm sure you guys know the difference between your M96 engines and a Mezger. The difference between a sand cast aliuminum 2.0 engine that was based on the 904/906 race engines and nearly decade older street car production engine is huge.
No offense taken (at least by me). I can clearly feel the passion from your posts. BTW, I know the difference between the Mezger and M96/97 and I do feel sad about the difference.
I would think that even 996 owners would understand the significance of a 1964 engine case...especially those that spend time here. If not, 3 minutes of googling would likely have delivered an answer.
I'm busy appreciating the M96/97 now so I have to leave the significance of the 1964 engine case for now. What are the pros and cons of shorter piston skirts?
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Yeah, I backed off and even removed his quote from my signature. Which bums me out, as it was an awesome quote, but somehow I've been flagged for "inflammatory" posting recently. Weird.
Those motors produced upwards of 1000-1500hp and they didn't make, they even have a few they were afraid to run up to full power. GM only made a few dozen of the motors that were sold. And they were wicked. I had no idea they even exsisted until I saw three of them at the Oldsmobile museum in Lansing, MI. They had their story with each engine along with their price tag....shocking to say the least.
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