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YOUR RESEARCHBMW Dealership burned by IMS
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That issue was light, it was a problem with a convertible top, and not an engine.
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I've traded many cars in and no dealer ever even opened the hood let alone inspected an oil filter.
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whether the story is true or not....tell me how many dealer/used car lot check oil or oil filter before they take a car for trade in
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That said, its a very tough thing selling used cars.
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i'm not claiming the car doesn't exist - i'm saying the story is BS and i doubt very much a dealership would not do their due diligence in checking over car completely including inspecting oil filter and even in most cases dropping oil sump plate to make sure their asses are covered when accepting a $30K 996 on trade - dealerships are well aware of 996 issues - i just don't buy it
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when i traded in my wife's 2003 saab for VW passat at a local small car lot(not even a dealer), they took 45 minutes driving and inspecting the saab which had a value of $3500
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A "Max Attack" is when someone passes their problematic Porsche onto the next poor enthusiast, but uses Car Max, or a similar entity to facilitate this.
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A friend of mine who is a tech at a large BMW dealership in the Northeast told me they recently took in a 2004 Porsche 911 C4S Cabriolet in trade. He said when they serviced it they found large amounts of shrapnel in the oil filter and realized the IMS was about to explode. Already too late to replace the IMS they are now sitting on a $5-$7k roller that he says they gave the owner big bucks in trade. This 996 had approximately 50k miles on it. If they were willing to part with it for $5-$7k I thought it might be a great opportunity for a 996 owner with a car with a solid engine but perhaps a marginal body and interior. He said this car is mint. The previous owner is one lucky bastard.
Nice thread title. Great, now we can introduce even more IMS paranoia making 996's worth nothing to dealers. As if no other make was ever traded in by the owner with engine/transmission issues the owner didn't disclose.
Maybe its the other way around. Owner knew nothing about it and the dealer is getting hit by karma. I have had the local BMW dealership do some shifty things.
this story sounds like BS to me - you're telling me a dealership didn't inspect car properly and didn't inspect oil filter prior to accepting a $30K car in trade??
besides, who the hell would ever side with a dealership? dealerships are so full of sh_t and full of lies and deceit - lot boy probably drove it hard w/o warmup or salesman drove it hard and over revved which happens every day and they are blaming previous owner.
great lesson for the dealership and sounds like karma bit the dealership in the ***.
Yeah I know there are people selling pigs with fancy lipstick, but that's usually accompanied by fresh oil and filter so a quick inspection will miss it.
I think it's close to equal odds that the seller just got lucky as that they scammed the dealer.
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i'm not claiming the car doesn't exist - i'm saying the story is BS and i doubt very much a dealership would not do their due diligence in checking over car completely including inspecting oil filter and even in most cases dropping oil sump plate to make sure their asses are covered when accepting a $30K 996 on trade - dealerships are well aware of 996 issues - i just don't buy it
of course i didn't consider that a seattle BMW employee could have been stoned out of his mind and during inspection, forgot to open up oil filter and forgot to drop oil sump plate - bummer dealership dudes
Don't know about cars but the BMW dealerships around where I live are nothing short of a bunch of arrogant bast****. You have a problem, not interested. You've done research on a specific machine and want to discuss those issues, not interested etc etc.
In our group of riders (10) three have BMW's that have failed rear drives, as in had to be trailered in.......and these are supposed to be the super all singing and dancing off-road bad boy bikes.
Love it that this dealership got stuck!
However, i also agree that advertising IMS problems wont help the cause.
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So the theory is the prior owner went to change the oil, saw metal and then put it back together with the old filter and the metal in place? That's a weird sequence of events.
I would think fresh filter and oil would be your best bet. I mean, once a filter has oil run through it can you really identify it as a new filter versus one that has been there for a while?
My money is on coincidence. I think dishonest people try to hide it. But I don't know. I don't deal with this stuff on a day to day basis.
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Same here...They go for a test drive, plug some numbers into their trade-in program, and you get your offer.
I have a friend who traded in an Audi A6 for a new Infiniti because he was having problems with it and it was nickel and diming him to death.
Got done with the paperwork and as he was walking away noticed a bit of a puddle under his former vehicle. Seems after the dealer test drive of the Audi a coolant line or something burst so he got rid of it right before another repair.
They let him walk but he was so glad to be done with that car. Then again he never really took care of it so I figured it was bound to happen.
When you remove the filter, the housing will be cleaner that the surroundings and it will be a dead giveaway that someone was doing some work on the filter.
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Trust me....they won't unless the vehicle gets CPO'd.
Then a tech has to look over the vehicle in detail, note all the problems and give the used car sales manager an estimate on what it would cost to fix it. If cost to repair cuts into the profit margin too much, it's sent off to auction or wholesale.
I would know. I'm a dealer tech.
If PO knew the car was in bad shape, you think he would have installed a new filter to try to disguise the fact that the car was ill. Makes me wonder if he had any idea...
*edit* after reading the rest of the posts, I see that I enzoed this thread. Oops.
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Most of them don't.. Its their own dumb *** fault for not checking vehicles closer, BUT they can't find anyone technically capable of doing the inspection, anyway.
This is one thing that breeds these issues with used cars being "Max Attacked", as often as they are. A "Max Attack" is when someone passes their problematic Porsche onto the next poor enthusiast, but uses Car Max, or a similar entity to facilitate this. These people think they are screwing the corporation, but they aren't. The only way the corporation gets screwed is IF the engine fails while its at the dealership, and that seldom happens.
That said, its a very tough thing selling used cars. Its tough for even those of us who do business the right way not to have some mechanical issue pop up with a buyer after a recent purchase.
Thats one reason why we no longer deal with used cars here. I had a situation that **almost** got me in trouble last year, and it was a reality check. That issue was light, it was a problem with a convertible top, and not an engine. The next time could have been an engine though, so it was time to get out, and stay out.
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yeah, that's what was explained to me. also something like 70% of their trade ins get sent to the states due to our dollar at the moment.
I traded in a car last year. Used Car Manager looked it over, drove it in the parking lot, asked me a few questions and offered me "X". That was it. I guess they were just going to wholesale it out?
when i traded in my wife's 2003 saab for VW passat at a local small car lot(not even a dealer), they took 45 minutes driving and inspecting the saab which had a value of $3500
I can see why the small lots would do it more so than somewhere like a CarMax. The small lot stands to lose a lot more and can't really subsidize a car that goes kaput. While the big chains have a process and figure a few bad apples is the cost of doing business.
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True! I just read this weekend that 200,000 Cdn cars made their way to the States last year due to our Cdn $ being so low. The majority were small and larger used pick-ups.
So much of it depends on the dealership. The lot from whom I bought my 996 was very persistent about buying my 986 - I didn't want to take the dealer trade hit, but they were insistent and willing to negotiate a fair price, and I understand why as it was a very nice specimen of 986 Boxster in a desirable color (seal grey) - they went over it with a fine-toothed comb.
It's always nice to see your old car on the lot instead of headed out for wholesale/auction. The last time I saw my 986, it was parked in their showroom next to an Aston...I feel like we parted on good terms.
It's always nice to see your old car on the lot instead of headed out for wholesale/auction. The last time I saw my 986, it was parked in their showroom next to an Aston...I feel like we parted on good terms.[/QUOTE]
My 2001 Honda S2000 which I loved and pampered for 11 years and 125k miles was auctioned off then on to Ebay where the winning bidder was an 80 year old man from Fairbanks Alaska. I'm from Massachusetts. At least he was a car guy. We keep in contact. His first car was a then new Porsche 356.
What I would do is change the oil and filter then roll down hill in neutral to the local Porsche dealer and trade it in .. or if you have to trailer it to 400 yards away then drive it in!!
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