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YOUR RESEARCHCalling Out Another Porsche Owner... Would You?
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I swapped my GT3 (with track numbers on it) with a plain Carrera for a couple of days with a buddy.
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I used to have a Lambo Countach replica that we used for marketing for the auto museum.
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My 996 turbo had GT2 bumpers, wing, 2WD, power mods, rear seat delete de-badged and I made it a point to call it a faux GT2 and not let people think it was the real deal.
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My 996 turbo had GT2 bumpers, wing, 2WD, power mods, rear seat delete de-badged and I made it a point to call it a faux GT2 and not let people think it was the real deal.
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One of my biggest pet peeves is when somebody is misrepresenting themselves by trying to fool someone else. I was at a car show today and saw a very nice looking 996 but something else happend that I just have to get off my chest and wanted to know hypothetically if you would have done the same thing or something different.
The car was a 2000, with rear seats, sunroof, AUTOMATIC, (I think you all can see where I'm going), with the duraflex GT3 Aerokit added to it. When I looked at the registration paper it said Model: 911 GT3!!! My heart just dropped and could only assume that this guy is telling people that this car is a GT3!? I was so mad I had to walk away.
The great thing about our cars is the look still appears to be the same. When I bought my 03 996 C2 a lot of people though it was a 2013 and when I told them it's 10 years old they were shocked. Point being that he could for the most part get away with his "GT3" car because generally speaking not a lot of people can tell the difference.
I decided to take the high road and not approach this man. However I did ask a few onlookers what model car is this... Every last on of them it's a GT3 it says it right there after my quick education session they were astonished haha and gave me are you kidding me. I felt the same way.
Just had to get this off my chest. Curious to hear if you would have called them out or if you've ever been in a situation where the other guy had no idea you were into the Porsche brand and he was feeding you a line of s&#t
Well, I'm not sure most people understand what a GT3 is. If they do know what it means, they know that one isn't one.
I used to have a Lambo Countach replica that we used for marketing for the auto museum. We would take it to events and let people sit in it and get their picture taken. We had a sign that we sat next to it telling people about the car and explaining it was built on a Fiero. It was a huge hit - we'd have 30 people lined up to sit in it sometimes. It was a lot of fun.
From time to time, someone would come up and make a big deal out of it being a replica built on a Fiero. "Oh, it's just a fake!" I'd simply point out that if it were a real one, there would be no way I'd let people touch it, much less sit in it and mug for a pic, so lighten up and just enjoy.
You're correct that it's lame and stupid. But my 2 cents worth is that you just let it go and have a good time at whatever event you're at. It's not like a Stolen Valor case where they are posing as a war hero.
I swapped my GT3 (with track numbers on it) with a plain Carrera for a couple of days with a buddy. When mom came over for a visit, I asked if she noticed a difference about the Porsche parked outside. She was like “duh, you took the numbers off). A decade ago my last neighbor did not notice a difference when we swapped out my 325i track car with an M3 of the same chassis. Most people don’t care/can’t tell.
As for calling out the guy, I probably would’ve done the same thing, but it would’ve bothered me too! Poseur. haha
No ... I would not say anything to the owner. It is a crazy world in which we all share space and sometimes it is best to not find out how some folks would respond.
I wouldn't have given a Damn. Car guys lie all the time go look good. I'm not the jury and judge. I can see the truth and Thats enough for me. I don't need to get involved. Its not my place. If I try to put someone in their place in a hypocrite because I'm acting with just as much ego as when they were when the cooked up that lie and started pretending just to look good.
An old mentor taught me that. Through him I came to understand that its none of my business. If I try to knock down a notch someone who is pretending I'm not different. He lied to look good. I called him a liar to look better than him. Do I really need to look better than a liar if I'm not one? Why not just be an honest man instead?
It's always gonna happen with a car like the 996 when you can easily have the Base models dressed up to look like a top of the range model
But yeah I don't think I'd of been able to resist making a sly comment lol
I might have said to the owner, "I know the new GT3s come with PDK, but I didn't know they offered it with a MY 99 GT3", then step back and await his response.
That kind of crap has been going on as long as special edition cars have existed. My old neighbor was really into late '60s Oldsmobile 442s. He used to attend large auctions and shop for cars reglarly. He told me that it was common for people to badge a Cutlass as a 442, because most buyers or admirers can't tell the difference.
I would have said "that's the nicest boxster I've ever seen". Then continued to taunt him with model specific questions. If I have enough time to wake up for a cars and coffe event, then I also have enough time to meet and talk with other P-car owners.
A guy in our local PCA chapter has a MK I 996 GT3. The first time that I saw it, I asked him about it. I asked how he got one in the US, since only 1,800 were made and none were imported to the US. He quickly admitted that it was a tribute car.
We Porsche owners seem to be more intolerant of such (mis)representation. I agree the guy shouldn't have listed the car as a GT3 on some car show display card - that is indeed misrepresentation. However I don't have a big problem with "tribute" cars, as long as they are represented as such. In an earlier thread some folks really berated someone for asking if they should put a GT3 emblem on his read deck lid of his "tribute" 996.
The most common example that comes to mind are all the 1969 Camaro's that are cloned to look like Z28's. As long as the owner doesn't try to sell it as a real Z28, then no harm no foul. To be realistic, one would have to be a very uninformed Porsche owner to think a Tip 996 was a real GT3.
I might now just add a GT3 emblem to the GT3 wing on my 996
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Nomex undies on........Flame away.
If the guy was being a jerk about it maybe, but for all we know he dropped $90k on it last week thinking it's a rare GT3 and a great financial investment, meanwhile someone mada heafty profit of f this poor guy.
Can't understand why anyone would get "mad" over this. Kind of pathetic really. I've been to Cars&Coffee along with PCA events as long as 35 years ago. Takes all kinds of people. Some are engaging, friendly interesting to talk with while some are clueless d-bags.
I think that the reason to get mad about it is if somebody is misrepresenting a car that they are trying to sell.
If they guy just did it because he wants people to think he has a GT3, then that's his business.
Clone cars have been around for years, Yenko Camaro, Mustang Shelby, etc.
Maybe this person has had a life long pursuit of a GT3, but for reasons unknown cannot purchase one.
I agree, the car show display should have indicated tribute.
But, my guess is most of the people on this forum and others like it, are as proud as heck of the cars they own.
In addition a few maybe envious of others.
I can't see where having engaged in a negative conversation with this person would have any positive impact on your life, but may have stripped this person of thier pride of their car.
If a person has the resources to own a real GT3, than they would more than likely, if they felt the need to engage in conversation, could make a positive statement to this person, as this person is in a way paying a GT3 owner a compliment of envy.
A true car enthusiast, should know better than to pick on someone their car, would be like a bully in the school yard picking on the smallest kid.
I for one am glad you did not engage.
My 996 turbo had GT2 bumpers, wing, 2WD, power mods, rear seat delete de-badged and I made it a point to call it a faux GT2 and not let people think it was the real deal.
Now if I could have found a place to make badges, it would have said "faux GT2" on the back.
"My heart just dropped and could only assume that this guy is telling people that this car is a GT3!? I was so mad I had to walk away."
Man, if you're living such an amazingly good and unblemished life that someone's faux GT3 is enough to cause you mental anguish, you're either remarkably lucky or living a terrible life - I can't decide which.
The people who know what a GT3 is can tell his isn't; the other 98% of the population doesn't know what it means and doesn't care.
What would you have done if you had confronted this charlatan? Handed him a Sharpie and demanded that he revise his entry form? Burned his car at the stake?
If everyone spent as much time and energy putting their own affairs in order as they do judging other people for their trespasses, we'd be better off. I realize I'm just as guilty as you, as I'm sitting here whining about yours, so it's time to move along...
I read your post about reading my post and my heart dropped. Then I read the breeder's paperwork for the Labradoodle and noticed that "Mutt" had been crossed out and "Labradoodle GT3" written in with crayon in suspiciously dog-like penmanship. Now I don't know if I should confront the dog or just let it go.
After further research, it appears that the "pedigree" paper that was supplied with the dog is actually part of a Pedigree dog food bag that had been cut out and used as the "letterhead" illustrating his genealogy.
Ok, we are a little off point now...
The OP asked what would we do...?
I would ask the guy when he was free for a second if he knows exactly what kind of car he had... Just in case he's a total idiot thinking that he really bought a GT3 verses a lick and stick car...
No harm.. no foul... just a quick question...
Thinking "what a tool" and moving on is an appropriate response.
"My heart just dropped and could only assume that this guy is telling people that this car is a GT3!? I was so mad I had to walk away. "
It's a good thing OP didn't buy a Japanese car - he'd have a stroke at his first cars-n-coffee caused by acute counterfeit
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after my quick education session they were astonished haha and gave me are you kidding me. I felt the same way.
I actually missed the part about how OP spent time standing around instructing other people about this criminal misrepresentation - this promotes OP from
oddly upset
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full-bore preaching-the-bible-on-the-corner nutjob
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I'm relieved that OP was there to prevent the masses from being duped by the misdeeds of an obviously terrible person.
I decided to take the high road and not approach this man.
So you stood some safe distance away and sh*t-talked the guy's car to anyone who would listen?
I'm not convinced this thread rates as high on the Summer's Eve scale as the "why would my kid want to sit in your Boxster - Daddy has a REAL Porsche at home" thread, but it's darn close.
One of my neighbors has a 996 with an aero kit; it's a good-looking car. Most people can't tell it from a real GT3. When I met him he was quick to point out, "it's not a real GT3" (he'd seen mine cruising the neighborhood). The few folks down here that I know with this setup are almost unnaturally quick to offer that info to any other P-Car owner.
That being said, another neighbor (we have lots of P-cars in the 'hood) who had Carrera GT badging on his 996 Cab. Apparently he bought it that way and had no clue it was incorrect. Nobody that I know of ever busted him on it, just a few rolled eyes.
I don't get people who do this but I also don't pay them much attention either.
They're trying to impress people who don't know better. Meanwhile, people who do know better will think they're a poseur.
I don't have an issue with someone installing a GT3 body kit on a "lesser" model. It's when they install the GT3 emblem on the car or tell someone it's a GT3 that I shake my head. Everything is just aesthetics until you try to pass it off as something it isn't. That's when I lose interest.
I'm also not sure what qualifies as a tribute car. To me, a GT3 tribute car would be a car that started life as a 911 and was retrofitted with all of the bits and pieces to make it a GT3. I might even forgive the automatic in a tribute. Otherwise, what's the tribute? The badging?
Is this Scirocco an AMG tribute because someone stuck AMG badges on it?
-Eric
Since Porsche occasionally sells "turbo-look" cars, there's even a precedent for "legit" Porsches masquerading as other Porsches. My '99 C4 is GT3 enough to pass for a GT3 to people who actually know what a GT3 is, but I wouldn't badge it as one because that's f'n lame. I'm just not sure if it's more, less than, or equally f'n lame as camping someone's faux GT3 to explain to other people that it's counterfeit...
There's a guy on our street who chalks other peoples' tires and takes date-stamped photos - whenever someone has been parked for 72 hours and one minute, he calls the cops trying to get the other cars cited. The cops, who can't stand the douche, won't accept his date-stamped photos as evidence, which makes him even madder. Chalking someone else's tires and ratting them out to the fuzz is just about as lame as OP's "that's not a GT3" impromptu seminars.
That's basically what I said about the kits. I don't care if someone builds a car that looks exactly like a Turbo. They can even install the intakes in the sides fenders. The moment they slap a Turbo badge or sticker on it...
And, lol, yeah, I wouldn't advocate camping out to embarrass someone -- I don't see the point in that either.
-Eric
It's a shame someone with such a great sense of humor is apparently barreling headlong into Alzheimer's...
On the plus side, "Fraunkinstein" will be new to you every time you tell it.
WOW DRAMA DRAMA DRAMA........ LOL there are some people on here that will slap a 40th AE badge just because, same with GT3 and, Turbo badges.. IMO they are just Wanna be's LMPAO!!!!!
Today I saw a narrow body 996 with gt2 wing, bumpers, and ....badging. *gasp*
Usually the easiest way to spot a fake is by looking for god awful chrome wheels.
This could have been yours
https://dallas.craigslist.org/dal/cto/5446893492.html
But no! I think I'll put a deposit down today.
Muuuuaaahahhahahhahhahahhahhaaaaa!
GT3... droool
^^^WOW, that's a serious Frankencar.
As for the faux GT3...who cares unless the guy was pulling something shady. It's his car and he can do whatever he wants with it. It's pretty lame IMO but it certainly wouldn't have made me "mad".
Well, since you quoted me, I really don't care. I implied that in my first post and the; 'Muuuuaaahahhahahhahhahahhahhaaaaa!' in the second sort of gives it away as well.
Anyone can put anything they want on their car, and I'm fine with it. If you're looking for a purist - you quoted the wrong guy.
I think so...but then again it is pretty late here. What does it have to do with your avatar? Not that you really need an excuse to post pics of hot babes with guns.
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Did you get "mad"? Paranoid much?
The first part of my post was in response to your post, which is why I quoted you. The second part of my post was directed at the OP. I guess I should have made that clearer.
As to the OP. If I came across some corn fed lawyer twit trying to pretend his red turbo wasn't a ragged out piece of track garbage, yeah I'd be all up in his face about that.
I think there is another guy around here that has tried to pass his Boxter off as a Miata. Someone should jerk a knot in that guy too.
In fact, that one is (was) a lawyer too. WTH is it with lawyers and misrepresenting their cars?
Well, Mick Dot Uranus made it up to four posts. Wonder if he'll be back?
I'm off to the local auto parts store now. Gettin' some floor mats with a Mercedes logo to put in my Hyundai.
meh, people who know the cars will know and probably point to the differences to whomever they are with and that's it.
Maybe the guy bought it and he was told it was a gt3, it's possible.
Look at all of the turbo look 80's cars. All show, less go.
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