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YOUR RESEARCHWhat's my 996 worth? '01 C4 with 10k org. miles
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Not sure what I'd do re:IMS, since this is most likely a single row.
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That said, as someone who has bought and sold cars on BringaTrailer.com, I'd recommend researching their sales history to get a sense for what similarly conditioned 996's have gone for.
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As smart as it may be to replace the IMS bearing with an LN part, there might be someone who wants to purchase a fully-original time capsule car like this, haha.
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All it takes is two parties having their eyes set on a car.
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That said, as someone who has bought and sold cars on BringaTrailer.com, I'd recommend researching their sales history to get a sense for what similarly conditioned 996's have gone for.
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As smart as it may be to replace the IMS bearing with an LN part, there might be someone who wants to purchase a fully-original time capsule car like this, haha.
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Finally the time has come where I consider parting with my 996 C4. With the addition of a new car recently I am out of garage space and I don't get to drive it nearly enough to do it justice. I have done some research and see that values are slowly going up. Some say it will become a classic soon but that is probably true for any car at some point in time.
However, keeping the car just to see it go up 1k - 2k per year doesn't make sense for me and I think this could be an awesome opportunity for someone to get into Porsche ownership with an almost "new car" experience. It'd be sad to see it ending up in one of the retail dealers where they stack on crazy amounts while telling me that a 20-year old car isn't worth north of 20k.
The car is in fantastic condition and probably as close to NOS as you can find unless you'll get into the Porsche museum of Jerry Seinfeld's collection and snag one there. What is a realistic valuation and how do I go about finding a new owner for it?
Happy New Year,
Ingo
Wow - 10K original miles - a time warp for sure! I'm sure others will chime in on factors to consider from a valuation perspective. That said, as someone who has bought and sold cars on BringaTrailer.com, I'd recommend researching their sales history to get a sense for what similarly conditioned 996's have gone for. That may be your best bet (along with PCA Classified) to get biggest audience with $ to match. Good luck!
How many oil changes in those 10k miles? I hope it�s at least 20 - should actually be around 25 to 50 by todays standards, but I seriously doubt anyone was OCD enough to do it right, especially back in the day� Does it at least have an updated IMSB? RMS? Water pump? Etc�Also, having all the service records/receipts will help you get top $ GLWS!
Value is definitely in the mileage, but as said above^ records are going to be very important to secure a meaningful premium over what a sorted 30-40k mile car would fetch. Buyer willing to pay that premium would also want to see a fresh IMS and RMS if it's never been tended to.
This is what I would do. Put it on BaT or Cars&Bids and answer all the nit-picky questions ahead of time before they're asked. Lot of the time these questions are asked by bored people with little intention of bidding on the car anyway. I wouldn't give them the opportunity to be critical in the comments section and potentially deter a buyer. Be very forthcoming of the condition, have a paint depth reading done, and share any recent inspection results you have. Lastly spend some $ on some high quality photos. I would throw on a new water pump, drive belt and send an oil sample for analysis too that you can share with any listing you make. Great color too btw.
Nice car, but need more details on the build sheet. If it has an unique/desirable build sheet and color, it will sell for a significant higher price given the mileage. But for a standard build, don't expect anything over 5 figure difference from all the sales I have seen.
Interesting, as mentioned the market value will be affected by the mileage, the color, seal grey? is not a plus, the non stock rims on a 10K mile car is an issue, C4 not a C2 is probably a wash in the market, condition, service records, and history will influence market value, to put a number on your car is difficult but I will take a guess if sold on PCAR it BAT I would say $28K to $32K, which means buyer adds auction fees. Might get the same hammer price if a private buyer steps up.
Rich
The car has the technic package (Litronic headlights, Becker radio) full black leather, leather steering wheel, supple leather front and back, heated front seats and power seats options.
It�s bone stock including stock rims as delivered. I added stainless steel door sills, stainless steel exhaust tips, aluminum hand brake lever and shift boot, and clear side markers. All purchased from Porsche Tech Equipment and kept the removed parts. It�s about as original as it gets.
I did the service myself with oil changes (Mobil 1) and swapping out a leaky rear brake caliper crossover line. All paint is original and no accidents.
My sense (ie. gut feel) from following Porsches on BAT is that prices continue to drift down. There is detailed stats/history there. The right color or options will do well. Low mileage cars can get hammered as the lack of driving means the buyer will be wise to invest $5,000 - $10,000 right out of the gate and that's reflected in the selling price. Good luck.
That�s weird, are you saying these look like Techart factory wheels or are Techart factory wheels?
I ordered the car (as opposed to picking a car on the lot). I grew up in Germany and back then it was a foreign concept to buy a new car where someone else decided on options
. So I was glad that I had the opportunity to pick mine and wait for a couple of month.
When I went through the available options with the sales guy I was torn between the Sport Design wheels (the one with the small spokes/screws in the rims) and the stock C4 wheels. He advised the Sport Design wheels would be a b..ch to keep clean and I ended up going stock C4.
These are the factory stock wheels on the 996.1 C4. Most owners didn't like the look and changed them out early in the cars life, it's not common anymore to see the original C4 wheels still intact.
Here is an interesting example of a low mileage car that popped up on BAT today. 2004 4S TIP with 19K miles that was bid to $36K in September (RNM) and is back by the same seller now with no reserve.
19K miles 2004 TIP
I was hoping for something like this:
https://bringatrailer.com/listing/19...rera-coupe-11/
or this
https://bringatrailer.com/listing/19...a-4-coupe-9-2/
. Isn't tiptronic less desirable compared to a 6-speed? However, C4S or C2S do bring a premium.
It'a a 2001 - I ordered it new from Champion Porsche in Florida. The local dealer somehow rubbed me the wrong way and when I was on a business trip through Florida I walked into Champion because I had some time to kill. I walked out one hour later with a downpayment made for this car and was able to choose all options exactly as I wanted. They even gave me a token discount, different times. The door sticker has it as a 2/01.
At the time Rennlist was mostly discussing what wax products to use on the 996 while I wanted to wrench on cars. That's how I ended up buying a 1974 Targa later that year. I ended up swapping in a 3.6 after rebuilding it in my garage. Lot's of fun and real DIY. This was all before this became a thing. The Targa is my daily driver and thus the C4 didn't see too much use over the years unless the Targa was in pieces.
I spent a lot of time over on the Pelican Parts forum. It's kind of nice to see that nowadays folks wrench on these cars as well and topics are technical rather than discussing care care products.
Those are prices are justified by being particularly desirable cars. Earliest ('99) model year + factory optioned aero kit. The black one in particular was great with the sport seats, black/black and an excellent presentation on BaT. I'm surprised too the Zenith blue Tiptronic car brought what it did.
Both of those cars also have the aerokit which is pretty desirable these days.
That Zenith car is hilarious though because the dude had it listed on PCarMarket for like $37k after it RNM�d on PCar and on BaT for like $30k. I strongly considered offering like $33k and seeing if he would bite, but I really wanted a manual. I was astounded that it brought so much more money only a few weeks later on BaT. Shows that for an auction that you really just need the right people in the room who want it.
I dream of just taking my Arctic Silver C4S and getting it repainted in Zenith some day�
Yeah - dynamics on BaT are funny. All it takes is two parties having their eyes set on a car. It turns the two-minute warning into a half hour of magic for the seller�.
I wonder if NR auctions in general yield better results?
It is generally accepted that NR usually gets better results. People get invested in the auction at the "this is a really good deal if nobody else bids and I win it for super cheap", and then they just keep bidding.
That being said, if no serious buyers in the room, your $150k value car can accidentally sell for $100k and you're super in the hole.
IMO a 10K mile, unmodified, original owner 996.1 C4 will do well on BAT.
Detail it and get professional photos.
More importantly be prepared to answer these 3 questions:
Has the IMS been replaced?
Have you had it checked for bore scoring?
DME report?
Good luck with whatever you decide to do.
My advice is don�t sell it haha
Do an LN retrofit kit and RMS, It's gotta be more of a net positive seller wise than not having it done (hearing disgruntled potentials complain / worry). People noted above BAT can be kind of weird, by having right audience at the right time is very true to end sell price, but I do feel it reaches the widest internet audience. Wouldn't hurt to start on Rennlist and such to see what interest it brings, then go from there.
Have also heard BAT doesn't give the best heads up on when a car is going up as a listing and can happen at any time. Spring and summer sales I'd think range a little higher than fall and winter.
I'd say high 30's to high 40's depending on how it's assessed and marketed. Could be even more to the right person.
As smart as it may be to replace the IMS bearing with an LN part, there might be someone who wants to purchase a fully-original time capsule car like this, haha.
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very low miles
one-owner car
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Not the most attractive spec
Not an early car
I'd personally get a set of turbo twists that I'd have refinished and put on the car fo the beauty shots, while clearly mentioning the original wheels will be included in the sale.
In addition, get it detailed, serviced, and put it up for sale. Not sure what I'd do re:IMS, since this is most likely a single row. Some people will prefer it being untouched, some won't.
If you list it on BaT, it's also important to present it well (hence the beauty shots), and to be ready to respond to comments. A thicker skin also helps.
Hey, you're in south Cali. perfect place for a private sale. Sadly/unfortunately(a horrific loss), might be lot of new insurance money and need for replacement cars around those parts real soon....
If it were me,,, Detail it to the max. Detail engine bay, detail under car, in wheel wells/fender liners, etc. Make it look like it just came off show room floor.
Take some great pics. Post on local media sales ads.
List it for somewhere between $45K-50 with or 'Best Offer' option. If no bites in a month, lower it.
Once the right buyer comes out to look at your car, and sees its the real deal...
to the right guy/collector you could do very well. low mile mint cars tend to sell for high prices.
Especially if your car is as nice as it seems from your posts here.
Unless you're in a rush to sell, couldn't hurt to try a private sale first, what ya got to lose...?
I have never bought or sold a car at an auction......Don't like the number of bidders or the fees.....I would rather make insulting offers to the owner.....hoping it is a distressed sale of some kind...
There are numerous sites on the internet that can give you an estimated value for your car in your area.....
I understand your situation as I have limited funds and limited garage space.....but I also have regretted selling every Porsche I have ever sold .....I usually price them for a quick sale and move on....not a good stratgey.....
Only 10k miles is a rarity and should command $40k all day long. On Cars.com for example, there are only 2 Carrera 996 cars for sale with less than 10k miles across the entire United States.
If someone wants a �new� old car, they don�t have a lot of choice in the matter.