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YOUR RESEARCH996 911 dumped a lot of oily water on floor
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I have just opened the reservoir, it is thick dark brown oily gunk filled quite high.
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I have just bought a 996 911 3.4 tiptronic with a good service history etc, checked it over best I could and as have had 2 x 986 boxtsers and I thought I had checked enough to have found a good one.
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The failed o-ring is likely a result of the problem, not the cause of it.
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Suggestion · Original poster
I have just bought a 996 911 3.4 tiptronic with a good service history etc, checked it over best I could and as have had 2 x 986 boxtsers and I thought I had checked enough to have found a good one.
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But you are talking about "intermix" here, which is a huge M96 engine problem and it will be very very hard to get it back to a clean & original condition.
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Now you know what to look for in a future car, and I highly recommend taking next one to a 3rd party unassociated Porsche specific mechanic to go over the car before you agree to purchase.
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Suggestion · Original poster
I have just bought a 996 911 3.4 tiptronic with a good service history etc, checked it over best I could and as have had 2 x 986 boxtsers and I thought I had checked enough to have found a good one.
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But you are talking about "intermix" here, which is a huge M96 engine problem and it will be very very hard to get it back to a clean & original condition.
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Now you know what to look for in a future car, and I highly recommend taking next one to a 3rd party unassociated Porsche specific mechanic to go over the car before you agree to purchase.
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A dealer may try to keep you on the hook and say they will repair the car but this needs a full rebuild and there's only a few good places , I'd insist on money back , it could be a while to get this sorted, the garage needs to get the car back and have it properly repaired then maybe re sell, private seller hopefully will refund you ??
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There was no smoking, it did lose a little oil on the way home on a two hour drive but was running correctly with 1.5 pressure on the oil pressure gauge.
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I have had reasonably good news, the garage have found that an o-ring has failed on the oil cooler, they are fitting new o-rings, flushing the system, and running more tests on Monday to make sure no other issues.
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Thank you all for your help/advice, for now I have emailed the dealer with pictures and asked them to initiate their next steps as in take the car back, I will then take whatever action is needed to have this resolved for me.
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A dealer may try to keep you on the hook and say they will repair the car but this needs a full rebuild and there's only a few good places , I'd insist on money back , it could be a while to get this sorted, the garage needs to get the car back and have it properly repaired then maybe re sell, private seller hopefully will refund you ??
I have just bought a 996 911 3.4 tiptronic with a good service history etc, checked it over best I could and as have had 2 x 986 boxtsers and I thought I had checked enough to have found a good one.
There was some slight white build up in the oil tube but hardly anything on the cap both when I first looked at the car and when I tested it today and paid, but everyone I spoke to advised that this was quite normal.
There was no smoking, it did lose a little oil on the way home on a two hour drive but was running correctly with 1.5 pressure on the oil pressure gauge.
However when I got it home this evening I noticed a dropping of liquid onto the exhaust with a hiss/hissing. And when I looked under the car to my dismay water was literally gushing/dumping somewhere in the top back left of the engine bay. There is a large amount of coolant on the floor, there is oil in the coolant and there is oil on the outside of the water expansion tank/cap (I have not opened it as it is too hot but I can only guess that it is full of oil). This was all happening with the engine off as in water pushing its way out.
I am gutted, and fear the worse as in head gasket, cracked head, but some people have said on forums if there is water on the floor even with oil in it there can be other causes like oil air separator, pipes and or oil/water cooler.
I will try to get it to my garage early in the week, and have emailed the garage I bought it from but I would be grateful if someone could offer me some advice please.
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This. Get your money back and run -- don't walk -- away.
With oil in coolant, you're likely looking not only at engine repair but also at replacement of compromised coolant lines.
FWIW, 1.5 bar of oil pressure is way too low, except at idle. If you were seeing this on the drive home, you probably drove a hurt car off the lot.
Yes in England, UK law has this fairly well covered with a 30 day right to reject and that within the first 6 months any fault is assumed to have already been present and therefore the buyer is protected:
http://www.which.co.uk/consumer-righ...mer-rights-act
Must have been a minor head crack that needed a long drive to manifest. Unlucky event - good luck with the return. FWIW head repair isn't nearly as bad as a full engine rebuild & coolant lines can be saved if you caught it early enough. The coolant cap pic sure does look like intermix.
You should also not be losing any oil in a two hour drive. The seller is scamming you with a bad car. Seems like you can return it, per your laws there. Get your money back and find a better car.
Yes take it back, did you buy privately or from a car dealer??
A dealer may try to keep you on the hook and say they will repair the car but this needs a full rebuild and there's only a few good places , I'd insist on money back , it could be a while to get this sorted, the garage needs to get the car back and have it properly repaired then maybe re sell, private seller hopefully will refund you ??
Thank you all for your help/advice, for now I have emailed the dealer with pictures and asked them to initiate their next steps as in take the car back, I will then take whatever action is needed to have this resolved for me.
Below is some more info in the meantime:
I have just opened the reservoir, it is thick dark brown oily gunk filled quite high.
The oil filler tube has some white mayo in it.
The dipstick is clear.
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The garage have emailed me to say they will arrange for it to be collected this week and get it sorted.
I am also covered very well by UK consumer law should I decide to have a refund.
I also noticed oil spray around the front wheel arches inside and outside and on the wheels (see pics), so not sure if the coolant system has also been compromised with oil at the front end of the car?
Yep !! Looks just like mine does every time I go to Mr. B's car-wash and pay extra for the "wheel -tire treatment"...lol
To the OP, I feel for ya man, I know you were excited about your purchase, and now looks like you have the classic cracked head issue (intermix). Hopefully your protection laws will get you out of this.
I have had reasonably good news, the garage have found that an o-ring has failed on the oil cooler, they are fitting new o-rings, flushing the system, and running more tests on Monday to make sure no other issues.
How a dealer could have let this go to market is bs. Either they have no knowledge of cars or they do and went for a quick flip. Lesson learned, hopefully dealer makes it right and if they do run. You want nothing to do with this car it�s a money pit.
Now you know what to look for in a future car, and I highly recommend taking next one to a 3rd party unassociated Porsche specific mechanic to go over the car before you agree to purchase. Good luck and start absorbing all the threads here and ask questions. The most relevant and useful info will be found here.
Be careful, they have to make sure ALL the oil is removed from the coolant system, otherwise in time the rubber hoses will swell and fail.
If you take this car back go into detail what they did and post it here so you can get feedback from the folks who have been through this before.
Thanks they did make a point of putting in writing in an email to me that they have to do a full coolant system flush and further tests after the o-rings are replaced. Also yes I will ask them for a full write up on what has been done.
The oil cooler has 4 o-rings, coolant in, coolant out, oil in, and oil out, all on the same plane. How can a failure on one of the rings cause intermix? I would expect external leak like in your photo but not oil leaking into coolant path.
You have received a lot of good advice here. Please take it to heart. The dealer will absolutely try to figure out some way to persuade you to keep this car.
Don't do it
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I'm quite skeptical of the dealer's explanation. If they said the oil cooler is broken inside that allowed oil and coolant to intermix, that's more reasonable.
If only one of the o-rings is bad, I expect an external leak. Just to give you a visual. You can see that if the oil will leak OUT but it's difficult to see how the oil can reenter the coolant ports.
Green o-rings are oil ports. Back the coolant ports (photo courtesy of JFP on Renntech)
The 4 holes are on a flat surface pressed against those 4 o-rings
I believe you have to use detergent to clear the oil, simply flushing might not do the trick.
Don't get attached to this car, you are probably better off getting your money back and finding another.
"Fool me once, shame on you. Fool me twice, shame on me."
I applaud you for STILL trusting this STEALer who already tried to dupe you. You are in a position to DENY him another chance to do it again.
Demand a full refund and look for another 996. Best of luck.
I agree with the above. You stated it lost oil and was running at 1.5BAR oil pressure...., that's not just gonna happen the second you leave the lot. That was a known issue before you took it home, now they have to play damage control.
Sounds to me like they don't know what they're talking about to begin with, so I would tell them to take the car and give you your money back. I see no good in this regardless of what they do.
I agree with others here, get your money back while you still can and don't play "cats & mouse" with this dealer, they will try anything to convince you to keep this car if they can fix it. If it was a simple issue like coolant leak from a water pump, or radiators or even coolant tank then let them fix it and you can keep the car. But you are talking about "intermix" here, which is a huge M96 engine problem and it will be very very hard to get it back to a clean & original condition. Please listen to the experts here, especially Ashai, he knows about these engines... Good-luck, cheers,
Just to update you all (a bit late).
Just shy of 4 weeks from the purchase date the dealer conceded defeat with the repair and offered me a refund.
The same day after driving back from getting my refund I found a mint 2001 manual non-sunroof 996 911 from a local specialist.
Had to chop in my e46 330i m sport touring and �500. It was worth it, the car has had �10k spent on it in the last 6 years (previously owned by someone who could more than afford to look after it).
Recent works include new RMS, clutch and flywheel, new rads, condensers, Back box and tail pipes, alternator, brakes, pads, tyres, amongst other things, the ims was also checked and found to be sound when RMS done.
Thanks again for all the help.
Glad to hear you were able to get your money back! And especially glad that you found another car to purchase! She's gorgeous! I love the color and the fact that it's a no sunroof car! Show us more pictures!
"Recent works include new RMS, clutch and flywheel, new rads, condensers, Back box and tail pipes, alternator, brakes, pads, tyres, amongst other things, the ims was also checked and found to be sound when RMS done."
How was the "IMS" checked? What type of bearing is in it? Has it ever been changed? How many miles on the car? The car looks great - the sunroof delete makes it a rare bird! A listing of other options would be nice to see as well. Good luck with it!
Great news! Now you can drive & enjoy. I'd personally do the IMS for peace of mind, but there are a lot of threads here to help guide you down that road. That car is a beauty.
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