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You also become the guy calling the shots; when something gets missed, somebody's gonna go "but, but, but..." - and "well, you never SAID to check the ...".
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Litigation has proven to be more than steady income all working from home.
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I go out of my way to buy junk used cars only to sue the previous owners for selling me junk.
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There is probably a betting pool on how many responses it gets
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You also become the guy calling the shots; when something gets missed, somebody's gonna go "but, but, but..." - and "well, you never SAID to check the ...".
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You also become the guy calling the shots; when something gets missed, somebody's gonna go "but, but, but..." - and "well, you never SAID to check the ...".
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PPI involves walking to the car, checking that tires are inflated, check engine oil, check coolant, check that there are no warning lights or weird noises when driving.
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PPI involves walking to the car, checking that tires are inflated, check engine oil, check coolant, check that there are no warning lights or weird noises when driving.
Check leaks, wiper blade life, all lights, horn, ect)
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Every car that came in our shop got a 25 point safety inspection whether it came in for a battery or oil change or turn signal bulb.(25 point safety inspection includes tire pressure, tread life ,brake life, fluid levels ,check for leaks, wiper blade life, all lights, horn, ect).
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CPO inspection is very detailed (but not engine analytic, just engine smoothness, noise,leaks, codes,overrevs) check list from Porsche for specs for tires, brakes, scratches per panel, paint repair ,(check paint thickness).fit and finish.
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So, as an example, if a ASE cert mechanic took the sump pate off, checked for ONLY those things I specified, and failed to note a clearly obvious D chunk crack, then they have failed in their agency relationship, no matter that I did NOT specify 'examine each cylinder wall for oddly D shaped cracks'.
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CPO inspection is very detailed (but not engine analytic, just engine smoothness, noise,leaks, codes,overrevs) check list from Porsche for specs for tires, brakes, scratches per panel, paint repair ,(check paint thickness).fit and finish.
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CPO inspection is very detailed (but not engine analytic, just engine smoothness, noise,leaks, codes,overrevs) check list from Porsche for specs for tires, brakes, scratches per panel, paint repair ,(check paint thickness).fit and finish.
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HAVE COOLANT COMING THRU CAP LOOKS LIKE A MILKSHAKE AND OIL LEVEL WAS LOW CAR WAS JSUT BOUGH AND NOW PREVIOUS OWNER THIS JUST HAPPENED A COUPLE DAYS FATER I DROVE IT 1OO MILES RAD RESIVIOR WAY OVER FULL ADDED 2 QTS OIL ITS CLEAN BUT MADE IT LEAK MORE OUT OF RESIVOR CAR NEVER OVER HEATED OR CHK ENG LIGHT CAR RUNS FINE HAVENT DROVE SINCE I SAW IM THINKING OIL COOLER ?
Intermix problem that's for sure.
Oil cooler (aka oil/water heat exchanger)? Possibly. Cracked head? Maybe. Bad AOS? Could be.
You or someone needs to ID the source of the intermix ASAP and get that intermixed coolant/oil out of the engine double ASAP. Then perform a proper flush to remove all traces of the intermixed fluids then of course refill with the proper fluid.
The oil cooler located on the top right of the engine has both oil and coolant in it. Since the oil pressure is higher than the coolant pressure, oil will migrate to the coolant. As said, another source is a cracked head. Do not run the engine until you find the problem. Drain the coolant now and flush the system completely or your hoses will rapidly go bad. Then you will have to find the problem.
A. Stop driving the car.
B. Take it to a really good Porsche Indie shop and have them flush everything out and begin the diagnostics.
C. Mentally go through the entire sales process and see if there is any indication that leads you to believe that the seller intentionally screwed you.
D. Repeat C and ask yourself if you did due diligence when you bought the car.
E. If the answer to C is yes, and the answer to D yes, then call the seller, make him aware of what is happening, and see if he will help you out on the costs.
F. Realize that you bought a used car without a warranty and that bad things happen to nice people.
A. Go to the local courthouse.
B. Ask what the limit is for small claims court damages.
C. Get the form for a new case, fill it out, and pay the filing fee.
D. Have a buddy serve the seller with the small claims case.
E. Tell it to the judge.
"try a flying head butt followed by , give me my money back !!"
I find that a ball peen hammer to the knee cap much less painful (for the wielder), and it usually works wonders for refunds...
Ruby V J Gladfelter in the 1940 Census
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I go out of my way to buy junk used cars only to sue the previous owners for selling me junk. I just claim I didn't look it over good enough, and they should have disclosed it. With that being said I batting around .750 with these lawsuits which has made me a nice profit. Not to mention it has become a nice little hobby
Actual conversation between op and seller:
OP: IM HERE FOR PORSCHE!!!
S: OH YEAH SHE'S A BEAUT!!!
OP: I NEED PORSCHE!!!
S: I DID PPI MYSELF!!! SHE IS SOLID
OP: AWESOMENESS I NEED PORSCHE I BUY
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OP: WHT OIL YOU USE?
S: CANOLA!
OP: CANOLA? NOO OLIVE?
S: CANOLA! SOMETIMES PEANUT! NO OLIVE FOR YOU!
OP: ANY ADDITIFES?
S: UNICORN SEMEN. AND WD-41!
OP: WD-41?
S: NEW ON MARKET! BETTER THAN WD-40!
OP:SOLD!
You seem to value money more than relationships and decency. This will generally lead to a shorter life span and a complete lack of self respect masked by a fierce arrogance. But who knows, maybe you will be the exception.
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It can't fail a PPI if the standards of the PPI are too low, either.
Thats the issue, shops don't want to break the buyer's heart with the truth, or they charge some cheap price to do a 30 minute walk around of the car.
I'd spend 8 hours on the engine alone.
I have no idea what OP's situation is, but it is funny that people bargain-shop for PPIs. I hate overpaying, but racing to the bottom for a PPI just doesn't figure.
If OP had known what to look for before buying, the fingerprints were likely already there. But buying your first 911 is emotional; I bought mine sans-ppi (though with an agreement with the seller that they'd make things right if anything went sideways with the car). Had I been buying private-party and not from a business I have traded with (both buying cars as well as service on past Volvos), I would have been far more anxious about the purchase.
People have been ruined by keyboards. They no longer understand how things work. All they want is instant gratification, and they simply can't handle it when things cost real money, or take real time... They really can't take reality, and truth.
People whine and cry at nothing these days.
People are also accustomed to not questioning anyone in a position (whether real or perceived) of authority...so more people than necessary die from drug interactions, have the wrong legs amputated, etc.
It's stunning how many people are not actively participating in their own lives.
About 90% of them... It will only get worse, and worse, too.
I refuse to become flexible enough in my delivery of information to properly interface with these people. I tell them exactly what they need to hear, exactly as they need to hear it, for things to sink in, for reality to hit.. If they start crying, or whining I generally get pissed off and just give up on them.
This year is worse than ever. Someone shed tears yesterday because their 996 failed my pre- IMS retrofit evaluation. Literally started crying. Then they got pissed off because I wouldn't lower our standards to perform the work. Sorry, no means no, and fail means fail here.
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My issue is kinda the opposite. I try to hire a PPI, and TELL him what I want done. There exists some happy medium between the 'walk around' and spending 8 hours on the engine alone(no offense Jake). I guess there's a name for that as well - control freak, OCD, **** retentive(hehe). Whatev.
I call a shop and I can hire them to do exactly what I tell them to do, but then it's no longer really a PPI. It becomes exploratory surgery, and also some sellers aren't going to allow that on their car. It's a team effort. I'll put in my time and money as the buyer, but when I'm paying, I expect to get exactly what I ask for. I couldn't even find a shop willing to take off the sump plate, and run my checklist of things to look for. Shops which do the PPI are in business to sell work, not to protect the buyer. So, there's also a built in bias starting out. I only know one local shop I would trust, but then again, if it's a local shop - I really don't need to hire them to do what I can/will do. But in NY, or SF, or Denver - I'd have to rely on someone distant to dig in where I don't have time to run out there with a full set of tools and DIY.
Professionalism in the automotive repair trades has forever been questionable. We've seen it right here on this forum. So, wariness is warranted more specifically when a PPI is underway.
You also become the guy calling the shots; when something gets missed, somebody's gonna go "but, but, but..." - and "well, you never SAID to check the ...".
I'm an adult. I can take it. If it fails, and I didn't have it on the todo list - then woe is me, and I write more checks. I'm not the guy that's gonna go 'but-but-but'.
Having said that, there is something called 'agency relationship', and it would apply to a certified mechanic(dealer or no, ASE certifications are reliance on a standard of care). So, as an example, if a ASE cert mechanic took the sump pate off, checked for ONLY those things I specified, and failed to note a clearly obvious D chunk crack, then they have failed in their agency relationship, no matter that I did NOT specify 'examine each cylinder wall for oddly D shaped cracks'. This is an area where some shops have refused to do a PPI because they don't want to get caught up in the drama of doing their JOB right.
I think I been trolled.
I can also attest that you can overpay for a PPI. My first p-car PPI consisted of a dealer in CT doing a walk around and charging me for invasive surgery.
I wish I had a picture of the look on Jake's face when they started crying. Now that would make good internet. Enjoyed getting to see your operation today Jake. Very cool!
No, the crybaby was a male... He called back today wanting to do more work, but I told him that he had his chance, and he could pay to have the car shipped home. I give people one chance, if they show me true colors early on, its better for everyone. His VIN has now made the blacklist, so when another shop with lower standards does the work that we refused to do, then they'll have no warranty on the IMS Bearing they will install, which will fail due to debris contamination. Yes, I warned him about this.
The shop are the professionals. They should seek out the training to understand what the PPI should entail, which we go over explicitly in our technician 101 classes. Its sad that an owner would have to dictate to a shop what to do during a PPI.
That said, I am definitely going to have a "how to buy a 986/996" online class very soon. I am done with free phone consults from guys calling us 10X per day with the same questions, or wanting reassurance about their tentative purchase. These people will never be our customers, and if they want to learn what we know, it'll cost 299.00 for a 4 hour class. At the end of that class they will be forwarded our extensive PPI checklist, which is worth its weight in gold alone.
The four states of reality for (seemingly most) prospective 996 owners considering an inspection:
1. "I'm gonna get the best damn PPI ever!"
2. "F**k! How much?!? No, f*#k that!"
3. "Here's 50 bucks. Can you put it up on the lift real quick and look for leaks?"
4. (6 months and 3K miles later) "*#%^!!! I got taken! Why didn't you find this during the PPI?"
Hold up. What's it printed on?
"Forwarded" suggests it's coming via email, and those don't weigh much at all.
(I don't think anyone can hit me with a wrench this far away...)
I will stick to Japanese cars from now on I think.
PPI involves walking to the car, checking that tires are inflated, check engine oil, check coolant, check that there are no warning lights or weird noises when driving. Pay the man, drive off.
So THAT'S where the stuff comes from! Always thought it seemed a bit funky. Does it go well with a milkshake?
At least we can now trust that OP has a good reputation:
I've learned to doubt nothing where Jake is concerned. He likely has a national network of Certified Bitchslap Installers.
We also know that he had some familiarity -- since lost, apparently -- with lower case letters.
There was only one shop that I called that quoted me a full on PPI (leak down and all) and that was one of Jake's authorized "The Solution" shops (I would have used them, but the deal near them fell through). No others were willing to drop the sump either and, frankly, all but one of the sellers I spoke to was really ok with the idea of having it dropped.
See?? And you thought Kalash was a great spook. Amateur, I say.
Why don't you be neighborly and drop by the good Mr. Gladfelter's place and offer him some pate and a milkshake?
Maybe not, he might shout at you.
None of this makes sense. Foster's is a respected Indy around here and they'd know about intermix/etc. I assume at this point this is some sort of weird *** joke post.
I bet it was a slow day in the office and they were all sitting around thinking how can we screw with the Rennlist forum. There is probably a betting pool on how many responses it gets
Ok. I am bored at a dance recital. 300 performances and my daughter is in 5 so I have lots of time to browse rennlist and contribute and make theories.
Did anyone else notice groovzilla showed back up at about the same time as this post?
Not only are they getting out of PPI's, they are getting out of work all together. Most shops now a days, give you a quote for the work, and then sub contract it out. So right after you drop off your car for service, they ship you car out to get it fixed.
Not really..many shops (service managers) think a PPI and CPO inspection are/should be the same thing, and price them the same (2.5 hrs). This of course does not include a extensive (8hr) engine analysis. Every car that came in our shop got a 25 point safety inspection whether it came in for a battery or oil change or turn signal bulb.(25 point safety inspection includes tire pressure, tread life ,brake life, fluid levels ,check for leaks, wiper blade life, all lights, horn, ect). CPO inspection is very detailed (but not engine analytic, just engine smoothness, noise,leaks, codes,overrevs) check list from Porsche for specs for tires, brakes, scratches per panel, paint repair ,(check paint thickness).fit and finish. A very exhaustive check list to be done in 2.5 hrs. CPO inspections are usually done on cars only a couple years old. There is a big difference on doing an inspection on a 2 year old 911 with 6k miles, and a 15 year old 911 with 110k miles ! A 2002 911 should indeed take 8 hrs to do a proper inspection to get a good indication of the future of the car.Throw in a buyer that wants a "good deal" and a seller that wants to sell a 110k mile 911 for "whats it's worth" it's not easy money and can be a big hassle. Unless i knew either they buyer, or the seller, or the car personally I hated doing PPI's.
With a Porsche engine rebuild pushing $20K, what shop wants to deal with a potential customer coming back saying: "You should have caught this before I purchased the car - you should pay for this!". Jake probably does an outstanding PPI but few buyers want to fork over the cash for that. Sellers also just want a quick sale, see the car go away and not hassle with a lengthy investigation of their cars' warts.
The higher the liability the less desirable the PPI is for the shop. An extreme case is guy looking at a 2 million dollar Ferrari. The shop believes they did a first class PPI but the buyer ends up needing an engine rebuild not long after. It can get ugly real quick with lawyers being retained on both sides (its happened many times).
Want a PPI on that 2008 Camry? Plug in the OBDII, give the tech an hour to go over the car and you're on your way for an hour's worth of labor.
This happened to my neighbor, and since I'm the nearby 'car nut' I had to go sort it out. Dropped off his 1 ton 4x4 Dodge at an indy for front end work. The shop quoted the job, then sent most of it to a different shop for king pins and alignment. Well, when he got it back, it was vibrating pretty bad. I crawled under there and found the bottom kingpin on the left side was backing out. Could have been ugly.
The PPI business is kind of no win. Either the seller will be pissed because you **** raped his car, or the buyer will be pissed that you missed something and the car comes apart after sale which will now forever be referred to as - MILSHAKE issue.
Yep, the PPI is risky business for a shop. They stand a high risk of pissing off the buyer by telling the truth, or the seller by telling the truth. Either way, in most cases any car that has an issue is going to have one of the parties involved being pissed at the results.
As for shops doing sublet work, it happens all the time. Shops try to do this with us, sending us cars for specialty work. I refuse to deal with another shop, I want to work directly with the owner, and won;t have it any other way.
In the aviation world, we many times use the required annual inspection as the go forward point for a PPI. The annual insp is a detailed look at a plane to insure it meets the standards of the mfg in all cases, except the additions or changes made via a Supplementary Type Cert detailing accepted changes and alterations to the plane as it was mfg.
There are also documented minor alterations that must be checked as well. In the car business they would be something like adding Al pedals, or changing the seats. But - the minor alterations have in all cases been approved by a FAA qual inspector, and filed with the FAA. However, having said that - each individual inspector has different levels of determination on what 'meets the type certificate' actually means. So, there's always some wiggle involved.
1 part silicone
1 part spray tan
a mixture of ex husbands money with a pinch of peach schnapps.
Place all ingredients in a non age appropriate spaghetti strap shirt, and thoroughly ply with mixed drinks.
Learnt about that when I took a helicopter ride over Melbourne not too long ago.
The amount of checks etc an aircraft goes through was fascinating.
Sorry, VERY FASCINATING! -> Caps just to keep the theme of this thread going.
PROVOCATIVE MISSPELLS BY CAPS USING FIRST AND SINGLE POST USERS.
1. C chunk
2. Boar Smoring.
3. Intertwix
4. Chain Prattle
5. Spam Deviation
6. Thrust Watcher
7. Air Oil Accumulator
8. Intermediate Shaft Fairing
9. PPeye and seal degrade install courtesy of below.
Prequalify.....what???
