Mythbuster: Are the early builds ?special??

Sorry, I don�t have the answer. I�m actually looking for it. It�s difficult to search for the answer so I figured I�d post up and ask. I�m sure this isn�t the first time it�s been asked, and not likely to be the last. For me, the early builds which I always associated with the �99 Model Year were special to me for the simple fact that they were drive by cable, not wire. They were also the only MY that was available with the 220 option of a factory installed LSD, though I know later on you got one with the 40th AE. I also recently had a chance to experience a 02 and a 99 on the same day and it was hard to put my finger on it (placebo maybe), but the 99 felt a little �tighter� So, please educate this newbie. Thanks -Simon

Ony if you own one. (Mine is a '99 aero car.)

I guess �special� can be relative but there is a cool allure to the Amber light cars. I will say I�ve driven both and the .2 does feel faster.

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Special I would say yes I know I’m biased because owning a 6/98 build XAA 6speed in glacier white /space grey interior here’s why these early cars were built side by side with the last of the 993 and the first water cooled 911 as well as numerous differences between.1 and.2 as well as the lightest water cooled 911 ever and if you have a factory aero car it was as close as a US resident can get to a copy of the 996GT3 since none were imported until .2 cars rare no special definitely

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Man a white 996.X is rare in itself.

They are all special. You gotta figure out which one you like the best. 996.1 (1997-2001) or 996.2 (2002-2005). Headlights, 3.4 or 3.6, wide body, narrow body, C2, C4, m96, mezger, NA, turbo, coupe, targa or convertible. Not any preferences are right or wrong.

I love my 7/98 coupe/148K miles

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this is what I keep hearing, and that they were hand built. Any proof?

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All 996's were hand built. The 993, 986, & 996 were all coming down the same production line in the late 90's. When 986 production was moved to Finland and 993 production ceased, the 996 continued on the same assembly line as all all 911's have for decades.

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YES the �early build� �99s are special cars. And the person who has driven and worked on more 996s than anyone here said so. According to him the early cars feel tighter with a better build quality. Unfortunately due to rampant idiocracy he�s no longer on here.

Where�s bdronsick when you need him?😏�

No, the early builds aren't any better than the later builds. They all have their pluses and minuses. If you want an early build go for it. If you have no idea what you want, then dont try to fit a square peg in a round hole. Do your research, look at plenty of pictures, see what headlights you like better, study up on the differences of the 3.4 versus 3.6 engine, issues, costs and solutions. Hey, I have a 996.2 and think it's the greatest thing since sliced bread. But it may or may not be the right model for you depending on your preferences. Do your homework, ask lots of questions, take your time.

I remember years ago when I bought my first 996- a 01 XAA/M030 car. The enthusiast dealer told me the 99's had crappy interior with plastic dash's. I guess it worked because I bought and enjoyed the hell out of the 01' I had. Could you get a "full leather" package in 99' (98) that came with a leather dashboard? --Aaron

Our interiors are just a little bit of leather away from resembling the PCA 996 Club. Looks pretty good to me.

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Yes, I had a 2/98 coupe with full leather interior including the dash, option codes 936, 981, & 983.

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Everything about that interior is amazing but wished they went with the GT3 delete.

Hah, they had to squeeze in the PCCM for advertisement.

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No kidding, he's missing his moment. OP, @ bdronsick has a a very very long thread all about the unique qualities, some real, some subjective, of the early '99 cars. That will tell you all you want to know, and then some.

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They are not actually. Even if you want to consider them "special" because they were manufactured together with the 993 (even all the 996 after were also produced in the same line), as you can read in that piece of text, that was just until early in the year 98, what applies for MY98 cars (second column in the table) Model year for the 996 changed around July, meaning that most of the US cars that you see in the US as manufactured in 98, are in fact, MY99 (they will count in the third column) and there is nothing special in those numbers. Special are definetely the first 14 MY97, and the MY98 if you want, because is the first full year of production and because is the year with less production, but none of them made it to the US (where they started to arrive in MY99 format, meaning manufactured from mid 98 to mid 99)

If you have one yes If you don't no

Haha. Aren't they (996s) all special like snowflakes? What about the ones with unicorn colors and a Porsche umbrella?

There are certain unique things you will find on the early cars, but they made a lot of 996s across any model year. I would focus my energy on finding the special car that fits you and not worry about rarity. I�ve driven many different 911s across different generations, including different 996s, and they all felt different in their own way. Porsche got lucky that the very first liquid-cooled all-new 911 wasn�t riddled with typical Gen 1 issues that many other car manufacturers face.

I do have the first brochure for the 996 and it states: "Every 911 engine is still hand assembled in the Porsche tradition by a single technician. Each engine is then tested rigorously-on the bench for up to half an hour, with a full minute nonstop at redline. And ultimately, the final exam: 90 minutes on the Autobahn..." Not sure how/where/if this fits into the discussion, I just thought it was cool.

Some of you old timers may remember this. You Tube

I�m not convinced that being built on the same line as the 993 is such a great thing to brag about. Great looking cars, but 993 production was already using the �improved� (aka cost saving) production techniques that Porsche learned from the Japanese consultants. Most people think this started with the 996, but that is a misconception. It is true that early build 996.1 cars had a different interior plastic material than what was used in later cars, but Porsche changed it because of customer complaints that the interior felt cheap. Strangely, the later build 996.1 interiors that have the �upgraded� plastic don�t seem to age as well as the early build cars that drew the complaints at the time.

Also the leather of the early cars was better grade as well

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yes I have the leather dash, I also have factory 408s. Having an 03 turbo, I wish I had the Bose stereo in the 99. I have the better Nokia amp enhanced stereo but it�s not as good as the Bose. The interior on the 997s in my opinion doesn�t age as well. The early cars have Connolly leather ie rolls Royce.

Feel like my 97' Boxster is special because it's one of the first. That said I love my 996.2 more. Interior build finishes are better wearing in the 996.1 though

Here you go. A comparison by Lee Sibley who is a 996.1 owner. He outlines differences between the two generations. As always, he does a nice job. What's interesting is that Lee talked about the 996.2 interior being if higher quality than the 996.1. I suspect quite a bit has to do with the interior packages you are comparing. Leather vs plastic used and color of plastic. Bottom line is one is not better than the other, it just comes down to your personal preferences. What makes any car special is that you get or build exactly what you want. To me, any 996 is good. You Tube

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Dangit. I don�t have the umbrella. Now searching for the part number. Is this it: WAP0500800L?

There is a updated version of the umbrella that was available for a short period last year, then they went on eternal B/O again. The "$100" umbrella. --Aaron

Me thinks we need a "What makes late builds so special anyway" thread

Hah. I tried to do it in a tasteful way with the "996.2 owners nows your chance" thread. Seems that the owners are a pretty low key bunch. But the reality is the 996.2 is a hell of a car with a great engine, if you change the oil. Not to mention, the 996.2 headlights are the only 996 headlights that ACTUALLy did win Lemans. 2005 GT class.

Here's a 2/98 (silver) and my MY01 996. I cracked the head in my 01 from a failed WP (dumb on my part). The 99 is better because the WP started leaking before it failed catastrophically like mine. (/sarcasm) Funny thing is cars have same mileage and original WP (75k miles). Both happened within the same week. --Aaron

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I just spent some time looking through his thread... it definitely would've convinced me to NOT make this thread, for oh so many reasons DO A BURNOUT

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I have a belief that it's cyclical, like anything else. Like 90's kids wearing their parents tie-dye; and now 90's kid's kids wearing their 90's clothes today. If we are well past the acceptance revival and now we've got focus on early model superiority... I'd say 'round the year 2027 we will see a thread titled "Holy crap did you guys realize that 996.2's have the same headlights as Turbo's?" and the 2nd dawning of the late build shall see light.

Quite a few things are the same between the two generations and quite a bit are different. Bumpers, aero kits, engine, rigidity, etc. Attached from google books is a link with the first 100+ pages of the Porsche 996 The Essential Companion, which is an expensive book, but a must have book if you want accurate info. Too much BS circulates on RL and other forums on both generations. For any 911, its not about which one is better, its about the one that you prefer. https://books.google.com/books/about...page&q&f=false

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Interesting table! I didn't know the 99 was the most common car. Always thought 99 (my year) was unique in it's awesomeness 99 is the best however, that is been agreed by the experts.

The 996 is the last chassis that will be "federally" legal to LS swap... 06 is the cutoff for mixing brands.. after 06 must be same year or newer and SAME marque.. If I read it correctly... Also if you dig around and look at assembly line pics, I believe with Toyota consulting, once they dedicated the line to the 996, the trolls for the cars changed to computer trolleys and a lot of the support systems became robotic assist. Toyota was big on Hybrid lines at that time, using human controlled robotics to place parts. So there were human eyes keeping quality in line. It also reduced conflict with the unions..

I�ll never get why a hand built car is better than a computer built car. As mentioned before, computers don�t have bad days. Now I have had a 00 box S, a 02 C4S and now a 99 Box Base. The 99 has the cheapest interior of the bunch but I prefer the plastic since I can spill stuff on it and not worry about the leather drying out. I also like the steering which is a little different and last but not least, the cassette player. 😜. Anyways, I the reason I picked the 99 base was the dual row bearing and almost zero bore scoring. But there is that 5 chain thing. Damm it. As someone mentioned above, drive them all and decide for yourself. There is no bad answer.

it's the owners that are 'special' not the cars

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he also told us like 623x how the 408 wheels were 9 inches in the rear.

There are so many available Options that there are hardly ever two alike..The closer you look the more differences you can see.,and when you own it, you see even more differences...Hence ALL Porsche are special...

I think you'll find Option 220 in post 1999 cars.

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Option 220 disappeared once PSM became standard equipment on most 2000+ MY production. There are some exceptions like the 40th Jahre edition.

My 2015 Cayman GTS came with PTV and Option 220 LSD I checked my 2017 Porsche GTS. Check here: https://www.stuttcars.com/porsche-91...options-codes/ We also can see Option 220 is indeed now called PTV Porsche Torque Vectoring , and there is Option 221which is PTV+ Porsche Torque Vectoring Plus, provides controlled rear-diff. lock in addition to PTV. I rest my case, however flimsy it may be.

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Ummm...were talking about the 996 series here...997 onward is a whole other ball of wax (and forum group for that matter).

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You don't consider being the lightest road-legal watercooled 911 ever produced special? Lighter than the 996 GT3 even lighter than the 993 it was built beside? How about the fact that they're the one year only it was possible to get a truly Annalog watercooled 911? One of the biggest arguments of air and water is enthusiasts love the Annalog air cooled driver connection. The early 996 was throttle cable, no egas no drive by wire, could be optioned without traction control, without obc. There was no pasm, pto, none of that it was possible to get a truly Annalog watercooled 911 and never was again. The 996s after it have one form of tc or another reguardless of how they're optioned. The dash button does not turn it off despite what people think. Even the 996 GT3 is drive by wire. Haggerty UK and autocar have published that the early 996 they tested put down a slightly quicker 0 to 60 and matched 0 to 100 time as the higher horse power heavier 996 GT3. You'll never hear that posted by Porsche a base model vs top of the line model but those publications put it in print that says something. Depending on how the car was optioned there were far less produced than 996 GT3s. I have the a fully Annalog no tc no obc opt 408 wheels, m30 suspension with getrag G96 60/40 mechanical limited-slip rear diff I have never seen another one. Definitely special to me. Definitely a different drive experience to other 996 I have had. Hand Built is the least of what I consider special about the early cars.

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You don't consider being the lightest road-legal watercooled 911 ever produced special? Lighter than the 996 GT3 even lighter than the 993 it was built beside? How about the fact that they're the one year only it was possible to get a truly Annalog watercooled 911? One of the biggest arguments of air and water is enthusiasts love the Annalog air cooled driver connection. The early 996 was throttle cable, no egas no drive by wire, could be optioned without traction control, without obc. There was no pasm, pto, none of that it was possible to get a truly Annalog watercooled 911 and never was again. The 996s after it have one form of tc or another reguardless of how they're optioned. The dash button does not turn it off despite what people think. Even the 996 GT3 is drive by wire. Haggerty UK and autocar have published that the early 996 they tested put down a slightly quicker 0 to 60 and matched 0 to 100 time as the higher horse power heavier 996 GT3. You'll never hear that posted by Porsche a base model vs top of the line model but those publications put it in print with thier reputation that says something. Depending on how the car was optioned there were far less produced than 996 GT3s. I have the a fully Annalog no tc no obc opt 408 wheels, m30 suspension with getrag G96 with 60/40 mechanical limited-slip rear diff I have never seen another one. Ordered in 1997 stamped/door tag Jan 1998 shipped to Chales Mair new in California in April 1999 and titled 1999. I don't completely follow the my97 my98 my99 determinations maybe you can explain that to me. I know the US didn't get them until 1999 about all i know i thought all the US cars were MY99 just because of the year they're titled/sold new but but mine was built in late 97 completed tagged jan 98 , is it still an MY99? Regardless Definitely different raw feeling about it compared to the others i have driven or owned. Definitely a different drive experience to other 996 I have had altogether. Hand Built is the least of what I consider special about the early cars i think its the lack of computer driver aids your foot on a pedal connected to the tb with a cable and you decide how much gas to give it weather the tires are spinning or not lol.

I have a 9/98, TC, no obc, no rear wiper...and it's the bee's knees. They are special! When I looked at getting a 996, these were the only ones I looked for.

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MY is determined by the VIN: a V in the VIN indicates 1997, W indicates 1998, and X indicates 1999. No V or W cars were exported to the NA market, and X cars destined for NA began production in January of 1998. Your car was built in January of 1998 and was registered as a MY99 car based on the VIN Porsche assigned to it. From January to August of 1998, both W & X cars were built along side each other. The X cars were destined for the NA market and the W cars went to the ROW market. Commencing September of 1998 all cars had X in the VIN. There were roughly 2000 W cars built and shipped to ROW customers in 1997 before X production began in January of 1998.

Could it be the people that own them find them special and the rest of us….. not so much ?

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Yes very much so.

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I don't think so, I own 2 My99's and neither is the "early versions" , but I find the early ones unique/special/unpresidented......

I need to understand if enough “unique “ things that are different from the cars that followed or preceded it Dont make it special what would ??? my early build 6/98 has a factory aero and one year only color glacier white and space gray interior I’ve only seen one car in over 20 shows that came close to mine but was missing the aero package

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Don't worry about it, your car is special, and with the aero kit even more so, I even have to make a special UAOS kit just to fit the "early cars" because they are so different from the rest..

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mine is similar as well.. very raw/analog feeling and lightweight sept 98 build aerokit no rear wiper no obc no traction control no rear wiper just too bad it has a sunroof!

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The term "special" is subjective to the person using it. What is special to you may have very little meaning to me. I would venture that most all of us 996 owners feel like our car is special regardless of MY, build date, options, etc. If we want to extrapolate special into "unique" or "rare" then I would argue there are many variations of the 996 over it's production cycle that could fit into these monikers. Are the .1 early cars different than the .1 later cars? Absolutely, just as the .2 cars are different from the .1 cars. Porsche was continously evolving the 996 from the very first day of production which naturally created differences over the years. Case in point...would your 6/98 be any more special than my C2 Aerokit/X51/sunroof delete built in January of 2000? To you...probably...to me, not so much. As� es la vida.

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If you have a .1 with X51 ,aero, and no sunroof, I would say it is just as "special" as any early car, unless it is also an X51 car...

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I do...and agree.

I heard in a podcast that the 98/99' M96 cylinder head castings are more robust. However, I had a set of 99' heads next to a set of heads from my 01' and I can't tell any obvious differences. --Aaron

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Brian Long's book titled Porsche 911: The Definitive History 1997 to 2004 is a good read when it comes to non-visual production changes over the years. It appears he had a Porsche insider on his Rolodex as he discusses many engineering changes between years that I had not heard of before.

regarding Traction Control/ LSD and 100% Annalog1999 Carrera only regarding option 220/Traction Control /lsd option code/ traction control consists of two separate items, Active Brake Differential (ABD) and Anti Slip Regulation (ASR). When one of the rear wheels begins to lose traction, the ABD applies the brake to that wheel. If both wheels lose traction, the ASR reduces engine power until traction is regained. The Traction Control switch on the dash turns off the ASR, but not the ABD. The ABD is always in effect until you reach 65 mph, at which time it automatically deactivates. Because the ABD is always in effect and is applying braking not under your control.MY99 From the tech manualThe LSD on a MY99 is only 40%.To get the engine�s power safely to the road in a standing start, slip is limited to 40 percent. Once under power, the slip factor changes to 60 percent because the engine no longer is operating at its maximum torque and also because this configuration helps minimize oversteer under load changes through a turn. TC was only around for the C2 in MY99. Traction Control (TC) is a combination of anti-slip control (ASR) and Automatic Brake Differential (ABD). TC prevents spinning of the drive wheels when moving off and accelerating. It does this through a series of sensors (also used by the ABS system) and controlling individual wheel braking. By doing so driving stability and traction are improved over the entire speed range. PSM includes the functions: ABS, Traction Control (TC), ABD, MSR (engine drag torque control). ABD is part of TC and was not sold separately - together they formed the early version of PSM. The official name (in the Porsche parts list) for option 224 is "Automatic Limited Slip Differential". There are no parts in the parts list that identify with a M 224 label - so what is it? ABD. Technically the option 220 "Locking Differential 40%" is also "automatic" since the multiple-disc limited-slip differential causes locking when one wheel begins to slip. This is the mechanical LSD you all know. Its not like a possi traction rear end, it works off of computer parameters that involve braking or power reduction all of which is out of the drivers control. The one to have is the MY99 without TC option , no TC button, no power reduction no computer braking. Your foot and your foot only controls the power to the wheels no matter if its spinning 1 or 2 tires at any speed you're in control of the power.99.9% of the " Porsche enthusiasts" have it wrong the one you want is that one if you're an Annalog guy, track car guy.That does not have have a traction control button on the dash because it does not have traction control, there is no computer system or limiter reducing power to the wheels or braking, spinning or not. Cars equipped with TC hence the TC on off button will reduce power to the wheels on or off during certain conditions listed above. The throttle cable cars with no TC button , spin the tires until you let off the pedal. There is no driver aids and This was the only year it was possible to have a truly Annalog optioned watercooled 911. The lsd option that was paired with the TC button is another form of power reduction/limited-slip that works on a 60/40 power split explained above . The no tc, no tc dash button 6 speed manual cars could have came with the getrag G96 with mechanical limited-slip rear differential that works like a possi traction rear end, if you know how a limited-slip rear differential works you can easily know if your car has it or not with your rear tires off the ground and trying to spin them in opposite directions. Theres no option code associated with that transmission/ diff combination but if the car was ordered this way it could be on the window sticker mentioned with LSA / rear suspension. This was the only 100% Annalog Watercooled 911 option combination produced, and also the lightest Factory street legal Watercooled 911s ever produced. Lighter than the 996 GT3, which is also egas, computer/ power out put controlled. The first 3649 were hand assembled. I have a no tc, no obc, no egas, no psm, throttle cable m30 suspension , option 408 wheels , getrag 6 speed with mechanical limited-slip rear differential ordered and built late 97 stamped Jan 98 With all of the paper work from order to present day. They're very rare, very different raw driver type cars truly a unique feeling from any other 996.

Your car isn’t 100% analog… you have ABS. Would highly not suggest trying to run at the track without it. Speaking from experience.

ABS doesn't interfere with acceleration unless your foots on the brake. Take your foot off the brake speaking from experience

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Bahahahahahahahahaha. K. So analog only matters when it comes to acceleration. Who knew. So I guess active dampers would be OK, or electronic diff, active aero etc� Your car is special, and so are you.

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An early build with M030 suspension, lsd, sport seats, 408s and an umbrella is extra special. No but I think you�re special There are two types of people: Those who acknowledge the greatness of early build 996s. And those who deny the greatness of the early build 996s.

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Please provide your source for this quoted claim.

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Hey now...no playing favorites...we're all special!!

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just because Porsche didn't run them on select track cars/race circuits prior to the 992 doesn't mean that's the definition. Abs has been mandatory on new us cars since 2011, and once you step out side of your own *** and experience life you'll be surprised to learn that abs hasn't been a disqualification of what's considered annalog for 20 years. Haggerty defines Annalog as any aid beyond ABS and well so does everyone else. My cigarette lighter also releases on its own when it's ready that's not a disqualification either. By your definition there's an entire industry of car collectors, auction houses, collector car insurance companies really confused on the subject alot of miss represented cars and air cooled 911s out there. They haven't met you yet apparently.

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just because Porsche didn't run them on select track cars/race circuits prior to the 992 doesn't mean that's the definition. Abs has been mandatory on new us cars since 2011, and once you step out side of your own *** and experience life you'll be surprised to learn that abs hasn't been a disqualification of what's considered annalog for 20 years. Haggerty defines Annalog as any aid beyond ABS and well so does everyone else. My cigarette lighter also releases on its own when it's ready that's not a disqualification either. By your definition there's an entire industry of car collectors, auction houses, collector car insurance companies really confused on the subject alot of miss represented cars and air cooled 911s out there. They haven't met you yet apparently. If you met me in person you would find out real fast how special I am but if that was the situation you wouldn't be running your mouth either no one ever does except on the internet where everyone feels safe to say anything to anyone. I'm sorry you weren't held enough as a child you're still special to me even if I think my cars special there's always room in my heart for you big guy. You're special too❤️

Out of curiosity, did you ever own a STI or WRX ? I’m sorry your car is ugly and slow… at least it’s light and analog. Good luck with it.

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Hey philbert we have basically the same build, took me owning a .2 for a few years, thinking I would upgrade to a 40AE. Found this early build close enough that I jumped on it in march. Not sure what wheels it came with from the factory,now it has 993 part # hollow spokes.

Man things kind of went off the rails in this thread! Not everyone is gonna like the same things�kind of like how�some dudes bang other dudes. As an automotive enthusiast, but not a 911 fanboy, I can appreciate the spirit of the term �analog� (I don�t think its intent was steam gauges, coal power, and levers) for the platform, and I think the 996 is a cool machine, which is why I have one. The myth can be as busted or not as you choose.

I don�t know� just can�t trust the opinion of someone who can�t spell analog correctly.

They are more durable and �solid� than later models, yes. 01/98-05/98 builds only. You will see some ROW models with �97 MY build dates. Not sure how early month-wise that year goes back but definitely none before �97. American June �98 builds get iffy IIRC and no one knows what VIN received the first single row IMSB or what block was the first to be sleeved differently post-fire (more prone to bore scoring, even tho I think bore scoring is utter BS and the next IMSB scare), but I believe it was around June �98. Unless I�m getting the years wrong. IIRC there has been a case of a guy pulling his stock IMSB on his MY 99 saying it was a single row. Who knows. edit- also to make the argument around mk1 vs mk2 is wrong. It has everything to do with the factory fire and the bores being sleeved. Some mk1s were still built post-fire so it has to go off of build month and year.

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Option code 014 �sports option package� is special. Low option �99s with 014 ( lsd, M030 suspension, sport seats) define the early build 996s to me. It�s a lightweight sports car without all the frills. And it seems like a lot of them were specced this way.

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Shouldn't you be on a Chevrolet forum? Discussing mullets,1/4 mile times and the women you'd like to bang at the next family reunion.

IMO the only special 996 is a GT2 because only ~1200 were produced.

This is my 996 ​ . There are many like it, but this one is mine. My 996 is my best friend. It is my life. I must master it as I must master my life. Without me, my 996 is useless. Without my 996, I am useless. ​​​​​​

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Is that a quote from the Porsche Bible? Proverbs 996.1 ???

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As a matter of fact my first car I bought was a wrx mostly because I lived in maine and at the time thier were not many AWD options for a 16 year old's savings account. But since than I have owned roughly 500 cars, kept a roof over my head buying,fixing,building and selling cars for the last 12 years. I have never once worked on a car I didn't own outright, had warehouses full of them more than once. While that doesn't make me anything special or an expert it's earned me a spot at the opinion table with at least an idea of what's on the menu. As for my 996, it's one of the best looking 996s out there according to many, I hear that daily which I'm appreciative of especially considering its a 5000.00 spray painted 911 and no hands but my own touched it to get it to where it is today regardless if you like it or not is irrelevant to me I do and so do many many others. I purchased it 5 years ago and liked it so much I bought a 997 S and 991 4s 3 months later. They too were great cars I enjoyed for years. I bought them right and sold at the right time for great returns. Of those 3 I kept my favorite so I don't need luck it's given me far more than I've given it and I've given it alot of me, alot of my time. I love that car which is why you're hell bent on not liking it. You're literally on a forum called Rennlist telling people who love thier cars they aren't special. What are you doing later I found a new mom's forum want to log on and tell them all how ugly thier kids are? Bet that will make you feel better. I don't need to know what you drive or have owned I already know you're a miserable **** ant who thinks he knows far more than he does and has done far less than he thinks. I'm no Porsche 911 expert, I have owned less than 20 if you count cars I bought just specifically to resell. However having worked on all of them myself and using sites like this to try and learn. The one thing I have realized about the 996. The hardest thing about 996 ownership, the worst thing, it's not the IMS, borescoring, immobilizer and key fob pairing issues. It's not even the air cooled purist or newer 911 owners. It's the ****ing other 996 owners. They are without a doubt the worst group of "car guys" I have ever experienced. I don't know if it's because they bought a 911 that they think they know something despite it being the cheapest most affordable 911. Despite I paid 5k for a 64k mile 911 that somehow makes me some kind of big swinging dick. Well it doesn't unfortunately so if you're a 996 owner that's awesome so am I. I hope you love your car and get half as much enjoyment out of it as I have mine despite all the 996 owning ********.🤘🏁

This thread is a great example of why myself and other people who enjoy working on thier cars don't take the time to share anything. Don't like my car cool, do you follow me on IG ..no..? Did you see last months 320hp dyno from a 3.4 carrera? That's common right?. How did I do that? Did you see the bowl and port work I did and why? Or do you know what my mods list is and why? What about the one piece Exhaust system I designed after using fabspeed and soul performances exhaust for 4 Years and trying to figure out if or how I could improve on it. You don't know, I'm sure you want to comment you don't care to know. But someone else might, someone else might want to know how I have aftermarket keyless entry, proximity sensors, and vehicle alerts sent to my phone working with the Immobilizer in my 996 working with the factory fobs. I heard that was impossible. It's not, I would love to talk all about my car and share with anyone interested, I would love to talk or share info with those types of 996 owners all day and night but there's too many douche bag owners talking over them so why bother putting in the time to weed through hate to share anything. Time.. the exact reason I don't proof read my comments for grammatical errors as I'm 99.9% of the time replying from a 3 inch text box window on a 6 inch phone screen while doing 3 other things I would rather be doing. But since I'm here did you know that spelling and grammar are not a sign to determine intelligence. It's only a western culture myth that spelling and grammar dictate intelligence. What if its not my first language but my 5th am I less intelligent because I used your and you're wrong clearly I must be. Thanks for taking the time to correct me in a sarcastic manner, that cleared up so many things for all the confused readers who didn't have any idea what I meant until you added your correction. So many narrow simple minded individuals doing the most talking, the least amount of perspective, the least amount of hands on experience, almost always the least amount of knowledge doing the most talking and its always negative 🤔

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Hah! A great scene in Full Metal Jacket reciting the Marine Rifle Creed. Guess you can substitute just about anything into the creed. 996, iPhone, Tesla, Porsche umbrella. All works. You Tube

@Garage19builds Hang in there man. You have a nice build. Keep sharing what you have done. Rennlist can be a circus from time to time. Part of its charm.

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K... Well, lot of people bought fancy parts from pep boys, megan racing and APC body kits.I can see them loving your car. Post the sheet - 320 wheel gets you about half way up the list... https://rennlist.com/forums/996-foru...l#post19066403 You're all butt hurt that some dude on the internet doesn't think that the .1, but especially your .1 is particularly special... get over it. Your argument on how its soooo analog in comparison to the rest of them presents no value to me - if you don't like the driver aids on the later cars... just unplug 'em. The title of this thread is a question, a question answered by something that can only be an opinion. This is a forum, people are going to have a different opinion than you do... deal with it. These cars are pretty cool and I actually agree with you that some of the owners can detract from the experience (this is when you should look in a mirror to see who I'm talking about), but I actually have made good friends in this community - we have laughed together at a bunch of your posts.... And that is why RL can be a good place despite its flaws.... cause if pointing and laughing at some guy on the internet with your friends isn't good ole fashion fun, well I just don't know what is.

As verbose as @Garage19builds can be in his posts...I like his build...along with zbomb's car...and so many other 996's on this forum....and I'm not even sure what APC body kits or megan racing is :-D. I can't say there's been many build's on this forum that just turned my outie into an innie.

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Google �Nopi Nationals� � you�ll see tons of them.

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LOLOLOL Nopi was some great times though.. you 're correct for sure also

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Ahhh. While not my cup of tea...I try to be more open as I get older because car culture is kind of changing. A lot of the youth's I know don't even want driver's license, and if they do, they seem to want an electric vehicle. With so much going on in the world, it's still a great event for me to jump into one of my time machines and just burn some miles...driving for a good time, not to make time type of thing.

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This seems like a contradiction to me. A mechanical old school LSD should not involve computer parameters, braking, power reduction, should it?

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Because it doesn�t, a 220 isn�t an electric LSD and I�m pretty sure you need some type of traction control system to also control slip. Someone can correct me on this but is the factory LSD a clutch driven system?

The factory "220" LSD is indeed a clutch type system, no electronics needed. It is also fairly wimpy and the clutch plates don't last very long. I think Guard makes replacement clutch plates at a better price point than OEM.

Plenty of "old school" 996.2s out there without the PSM nanny. Mine included. However, many of these no PSM 996.2 came without an LSD. So you had to put one in yourself. In my case, I put on a Guard LSD. Very visceral feel to it since you are driving by your foot, hands and rear end. Add in good software and you have immediate throttle reponse like an early build 996 cable car, but with more horsepower. Point is, you don't have to go early build to get the analog visceral ffeel.you can easily have it with a 996.2. To hammer home the point, my car has no psm, no buttons and no connection or interference with PSM or the computer messing with my LSD, brakes or throttle. If my back end steps out, I have to manually correct it. Which I prefer.

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Got you and just clarifying the word salad about a posi traction being 100% mechanical and somehow a clutch type LSD being electronic on our cars.

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+1� my .2 doesn�t have anything other than ABS.

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As it should be! If you want even more visceral, crank a set PSS9 or PSS10 coilovers to full stiff in the rear and your front coilovers to half stiff, and then adjust a set of tarret sway bars to full tight in the rear and the front to the loosest setting. LSD, no psm, software, floating hat big brakes, with a dialed in suspension to address chronic factory understeer, you got yourself a car that handles like a go cart that is visceral and analog as hell. Now if I only had a carbon fiber ducktail...

Turbos all got PSM. A small price to pay for a fantastic car. Also quite worthwhile for street driving. Two seconds to unplug the PSM pump and hey presto! no more nannies.

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Yeah, but you got buckets more power. They have so much power that without the nannies and awd, most folks, which dont have any driver training, would wrap themselves around a tree. But if you know how to drive, oh baby!

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The ducktail might be available from RPM Technik once they get some things ironed out.

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Same. No PSM on my '03.

This thread needs more pictures. ~July 98' C2 Cab. Just rebuilt the motor due to a spun main bearing (someone installed a scavenge pump on backwards, starving the engine of oil pressure). Feels pretty good even with 110k miles on the original shocks and older Continental tires. Pastel yellow - love it or hate it. --Aaron

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I love that color.

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My 7/98 WPOCA Cab was purchased at Reeves Import Motorcars Tampa Florida, dealer 0911. Maintenance manual shows first service (with dealer stamp) at 29 miles on September 10, 1998.

I learned that all 1999 996 Cabs built in 1998 (952) went to the US.

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Well that makes my Millenium, of which only 911 were produced, and only a quarter of which were LHD manual, even more special

So in the April 2026 issue of Excellence Magazine that I received today, the market update is on the 996/997. In it, they recommend "skipping the first year cars"!!! This goes against much of what Ive heard regarding IMS issues, bore-scoring prevalence, and overall build quality....