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He specifically mentioned Audi was moving toward planned obsolescence with their cars, which makes sense with the rapidly tightening emissions standards.
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It sure beats using a tiny screwdriver to pry up the round towhook cover.
Finally a 911 that purist will hate more than the 996!
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He specifically mentioned Audi was moving toward planned obsolescence with their cars, which makes sense with the rapidly tightening emissions standards.
Finally a 911 that purist will hate more than the 996!
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I think the grill makes the rear window too long, but other than that, I am ok with it. I would paint the grill body color. Wouldn't surprise me if Porsche ends up having that as an option.
Meh, when the engine mounts start going those tailpipes are going to be hitting!
I kind of like the two-tone thing.
Don't like the rear end, looks like so many other supercars...
Looking at it from all perspectives I don't see anything that strikes me as fugly.
However, under the skin, the steady march of technology is a little troubling. I prefer simple to complex and the newer cars' Achilles heel has always been increased difficulty maintaining them when things break.
One of the techs at our dealer put it this way, when something serious breaks it's time to trade it in on a new car. He specifically mentioned Audi was moving toward planned obsolescence with their cars, which makes sense with the rapidly tightening emissions standards.
According to my dealer, in 7 to 8 years Porsche expects 55% of their new cars to not have an internal combustion engine.
In my opinion, the purist will always find fault(s) in the newest model. The 996 being the top of the list of "rock the boat" designs. It appears that Porsche continues to make the 911 fatter looking. Bigger is one thing, but if Porsche goes down the 718 route of eliminating the Flat 6 engine, I think that will be the straw on the camel's back for many of the faithful followers. Hopefully it won't happen, but it could. Don't hold your breath.
You got that right! The purists hate everything other than the original 911.
I�m actually really looking forward to the launch of the 992. If history repeats (it will), the 991 cars will become raw and visceral. They�ll be the last real 911, and the perfect balance of technology and driving feel. The 992 will be too big, too fat, nothing more than a rich man�s GT toy.
In all seriousness though, it�s hard to judge the 992 based on an artist�s rendering. I�ll have to see the new 992 in person before I decide if I like it or not.
I don't understand the designers of so many cars flattening the wheel arches. One of the beautiful touches on older Porsches is the beautiful curves of the wheel arches as they hug the tires. Might be a strength thing or an aerodynamic thing but so many cars today have this design cue. Otherwise I have no problems with the evolving design of the 911. They have to keep the older owners interested after all. But I am 100% with those who believe that without the flat 6 engine then I might lose interest. Looking forward to seeing the actual cars.
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I don't like the roof being black (black roof wraps are for beat-up cars with peeling clearcoat) but whatever it's what cars look like these days. Car manufacturers build cars for New Car Buyers. If you have enough money to buy a new 911, chances are you don't have good taste anyways.
I actually don't mind the rear end as much as I don't like the front, every iteration they smush the front down more and more and make it more like a regular car.
I'm sure it's for aerodynamics but they could make the energy savings elsewhere to keep it's 911ness intact
I think the car looks good. It might be labelled a 911, but the last generation that I think maintained any of the 911 soul was the 997. If you want a 911 now, the Cayman is the new 911.
It will happen. There is simply no choice in the matter.
Emission regulations will always get stricter and the future is not the internal combustion engine.
How long we can nurse the gasoline engine is debatable. Some cities and countries are already imposing or considering outright ban:
Britain:
The U.K. plans to ban sales of new gasoline and diesel cars starting in 2040. By 2050, all cars on the road will need to have zero emissions.
France:
Plans to ban sales of new gasoline and diesel cars in 2040.
Germany:
No date yet, but will likely follow France and Britain.
Norway:
Plans for a 2025 cut-off for all new vehicles
Austria, Denmark, Ireland, Japan, the Netherlands, Portugal, Korea and Spain have begun legislation.
The USA has not made any commitments, but several states (California, of course) are already in the game.
Many of us are thinking of keeping their cars "forever", but the reality is that "forever" has a shot fuse.
In the end, just like every other iteration of the 911, new buyers will join the club regardless of what some of the seasoned owners might think of the next generation of cars.
When I read the thread title I assumed you were going to be talking about a 911 with an electric motor. I never guessed it would be about styling. These cars all look alike. To me the 992 vs. the 991 reminds me of this video:
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The square towhook cover looks similar to the BMW ones.
Hopefully Porsche copied the BMW design.
BMW towhook covers pop out by pressing one edge, like a rocker switch.
It sure beats using a tiny screwdriver to pry up the round towhook cover. (or is there a secret removal procedure that has aluded me?)
Knfeparty, The black roof reminds me of all the Infiniti, Lexus, Nissan, BMW, etc that I see being wrapped in black lately.
Maybe Porsche was trying to copy a Ferrari rear end, but for some reason it looks more like a Japanese car to me.
The fake looking diffuser looks similar to the one I had on my BMW 135i.
I liked it on my BMW, but it just doesn't look right to me on a 911.
Haha!
NuttyProfessor, I do think you're right that the grill looks like it was designed by whomever designed the George Foreman grill.
The 3 vertical red stripes...are they the third brake light?
If so, that's going to probably start a trend.
Kinda weird, but I guess I'll get used to it.
I think the 991.2 is the best looking of the modern 911s.(Not counting 996 or 997 of course!)
I just don't like the looks of the 992.
The redeeming thing to me is it still has a flat 6.
If it were electric, I'd be very sad.
I know someday there might only be electric vehicles being made, including Porsches.
2040, 2050, 20??
I'll be too old to care about new vehicles then.
Wow, the 992 has that black lower panel at the rear, where the tail pipes stick out. Is it called a rear grille or something? Terrible. Now the 911 looks like every SUV and every Civic, Camry, Kia, and Ford - I think all cars grew this awful black rear grille which is typically not functional, only for looks. Even the 991 only has a very small one of those, now it is a major eye sore.
I've often thought it would be nice to have a second 911�a Cab�with a GT3 drivetrain. But I would never go so far as to call it a GT3.
I'd seriously question the veracity of that report. Then again, if Porsche thought it would generate revenue...
I think the Jag was a ripoff of the 911. Just my opinion. I kinda like the new direction except for the slab sided wheel wells. Enclosing the exhaust tips has been an industry wide direction for a few years. So long as the tips are connected to the exhaust system I'm OK with that. Fake outlets are like assisted sound in the interior. All cars are becoming more and more antiseptic, Porsche as well.
If that ever came to be, they might call it the 911 Spyder, like they did with the boxster version of the GT4 Cayman. You heard (me make) it (up) here first!
same. I love the vertical slats on the rear, and I especially like the frunk-line, kind of a cross between 964 and 993. The only thing I don't love is it continues the trend of modern 911s (and other performance cars for that matter) where the rims are disproportionately large. Some say it's to fit massive brakes, but if 18" rims are good enough for a 911 RSR, they're good enough for the street version imo.
I saw a clip where they have a concept car in a speedster version with a GT3 drivetrain. Not a cab, but pretty sweet.
https://www.roadandtrack.com/new-car...r-concept-gt3/
I find the 991/992 to be shockingly dull. The interior is the best part, and I guess that is good because you can't see the rest of the car from the driver's seat.
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