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Agree, the TT is more adrenaline than true GT, and the 991 is probably the best 'GT' and daily driver of the three...
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I could change the wheels each season on the 997, but I can't do that on the centerlocks on the 991.
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Back to your original question though; I think your choice should reflect your priorities and the way you will use the car.
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Porsche's... I like em all and have owned several. 986 Boxster S, 911SC, 996C2, 987 Cayman S... All now gone and I'm missing my Porsche fix. I was super close on a 991.1S but the deal fell apart at the last minute and now I'm considering alternatives.
For a ~$65K budget, I'm seeing some interesting possibilies... All pass the basic criteria, right options, colors, history, miles, etc but I think all will offer significantly different driving experiences and likely vastly different appreciation/depreciation curves.
996.2 GT3 (Mezger engine, ~375HP, sharp as a tack, collectable)
997.1 TT (Mezger engine, ~470HP, acceleration blur, semi-collectable)
991.1 S (DFI engine, ~395HP, super-polished & modern 911, not collectable)
Posting this in the 'regular' 996 forum as there really isn't as much of a 'dog in the fight', one of the more active forums, and I've spent most of my Rennlist time here!
Thoughts on which you would pick of the three and why?
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Agree, the TT is more adrenaline than true GT, and the 991 is probably the best 'GT' and daily driver of the three... Honestly I don't get to the track more than 2-3 times a year and I don't really see that changing, but I love the
idea
of owning something as sharp-edged as the GT3.
So 5CHN3LLl, which one would you put in
your
garage?
I think the 997.1 TT is the car I'd buy of that group, unless it would see significant track time (then I would buy the GT3). My 997.1 TT was a fantastic car, and the 997 series are the last of the turbos with a manual transmission.
GT3. The 991 kinda leaves me cold. I'm sure it's a fantastic car but looks too big and bloated. Always thought the 997 could go on a diet too. GT3 proportions are bang on.
I've owned the 991 turbo for about 3 months. I've now owned a 996, a 997, and a 991. I loved all of them, and they each presented a different experience to the driver. Living in the mountains, I tend to favor turbo cars, but there's something special about them even at sea level. I'm also a technology junkie. I like new tech in cars, whether it's safety and performance equipment or something like iPhone integration.
Here's what I miss about the 997 turbo:
- I loved the amazing rush of boost when the turbos spool up and deliver maximum pressure. There is definite turbo lag in the 997 TT cars, especially the 997.1, but the thrill is worth the wait. Highway entrance ramps were always a fun event in that car. The 991 TTS is considerably faster, but it's not as much of an event.
- I miss the manual gearbox on the 997 TT occasionally. It's not an option for the 991 TT, so I now have a PDK car. PDK is brilliant and I don't think that a manual gearbox would work as well in a fast-revving, 560 HP car. I still miss it from time to time though.
- I could still do
some
work on the 997 TT that I can't do on the 991 TTS. I could change the wheels each season on the 997, but I can't do that on the centerlocks on the 991. I'm pretty well locked into going to the mechanic or dealer for almost every issue with the 991.
- It was a great driver's car and it never let me down.
Here's what I like better about the 991 TTS:
- All the electronics are current. I don't have to worry about upgrading the sound system, adding LED lights, dealing with outdated navigation systems, etc. Everything is current.
- The 991 is Porsche CPO warranty covered until May of 2020.
- The 991 sounds much better than the 997. In sport mode, it sounds down right mean.
- The 991 suspension and ride quality are vastly improved over the 997, which was vastly improved over the 996. It is very noticeable.
- The 991 feels to me like it legitimately competes in the "supercar" realm. It's that good.
- The 991 TTS is shockingly fast.
- The 991 is dead sexy, and very fun to drive.
- The cabriolet roof in the 991 is a huge improvement over the 997.
I know that many of these things are subjective and that others may disagree. However, the 991 is the right car for me right now.
Back to your original question though; I think your choice should reflect your priorities and the way you will use the car. For a toy that gets occasional track duty, the GT3 is hard to beat. For more of a daily driver or more frequent driver in the city, the 991 is hard to beat. For an outstanding "all arounder" with spectacular performance capabilities, the 997 TT is hard to beat. They are all excellent choices. Any of them will return your Porsche mojo and put a smile on your face.
I've driven numerous PDK cars...
And while I fully appreciate the awesomeness of them, and don't for a second doubt there superiority to my modest heel and toe skills, I decided I really want a manual transmission.
And believe me, 'bucking up' to just the $65K level makes me cringe. A .2TT and I would need to bump that budget at least $20K?
Wow, one of the toughest choices I've seen posted here. My brain is scrambled. I'd love a GT3, but not wild on the yellow. Otherwise, that would be my choice. I'd love 470 HP, but would want a 997.2. 991.1 is awesome as a relatively new car, but otherwise not "special."
Will be interesting to see what you choose.
I feel like the 997.1 GT3 is the best answer to the given question, but it's probably at least 15-20k past that 65k number at the low end. So I'd probably go with 997.1TT.
I like the 6gt3 a lot, but I feel like it was a much more compelling car at 55k than it is at 65-70k.
Do what I did and get two. A 996 plus a 993
Drive as many examples of each then make your choice. I've spent time on track in each of these as a passenger. As others have said, they are all great but different choices.
I'm in the camp that the best Porsche relies on the driver to get the most of the machine. This preference would steer me 100% to the 996 GT3. It's a very special car. The other two are fantastic but not quit as special. Driving that car well at speed is a labor of love for those lucky enough to own and use them as intended.
I mean, maybe? Can't remember if you're a track guy or not but there was a thread in racing and de some time ago that was about what car is most likely to wreck at a de and 6GT3 was either the consensus favorite or at least in the top 3. Not many driver aids (maybe none?) And gobs of power. But, also one of the most satisfying to drive when done well.
So what car depends on what usage. 6GT3 isn't really a great street car either to my understanding. A 991 GT3 sure, push a couple buttons and let's cruise.
I've driven a number of 997 TTs and not much about that car calls to me. Cumbersome on a track (or twisty) and too fast for the street.
As others have said, if you track (DE, time attack) - the 996 GT3 is a great car. On the street - a very active car... if you like that action, there you go.
But for normal, everyday - the 991 is a really nice car! Lots of creature comforts and easy driving, until you want it to be mean... But not a track car at all....
Well the 6GT3 is gone as of this morning, so it's no longer an option. It was probably the best investment and hottest seller of the three right now, but I wasn't bonding with the speed yellow. I bought another (non-Porsche) yellow car on a whim last year and I just feel way too conspicuous driving it, not to mention every 16-25 year old in anything from a Honda to a GTR tries to race me...
Also still looking at 6TT's, but honestly nice ones have crept up in price to nearly 7TT pricing, and I really prefer the 7 styling and interior.
Well that was going to be my suggestion - there a $47k 996TT manual cab with 28k miles on it. And since prices are going up, seems like a bargain these days.
too bad. i'd have jumped on the gt3... but then again, i'm not into collecting as much as driving stuff into the ground. so i'll break with trend and suggest the 991.1 (just have never been a fan of the turbos).