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YOUR RESEARCH99's and 00's offer the best bang/buck
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Fluids have been replaced only because I wasn't sure if the previous owner did so.
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Still has original IMSB, but I manage to put in a couple of thousand dollars in maintenance annually (steering wheel contact bracket, new horns, routine oil/filter changes, window regulator, etc.).
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The guys are quoting model years, which generally run from Aug-July.
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Still has original IMSB, but I manage to put in a couple of thousand dollars in maintenance annually (steering wheel contact bracket, new horns, routine oil/filter changes, window regulator, etc.).
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Same with the water pump, AOS, RMS, or any other component that is somewhat prone to failure, but still not common.
While it can easily be argued that later models 01-05 have many great improvements that are worth the additional cost, it's hard to argue the economics of the early double roller IMS cars from 98-00. There aren't many left, but they are still out there at well under $20k.
It's possible to buy a clean one, still, and take the approach of not doing any proactive repairs and only perform routine maintanence to get you driving around in these cars for very little money, thus offering high value.
For example, one could argue that just leaving the IMS alone in these cars is doable. Same with the water pump, AOS, RMS, or any other component that is somewhat prone to failure, but still not common.
I bought my 99 in December and have decided to only perform minor, routine, repairs and maintenance. The only item that has failed so far was a window regulator. Fluids have been replaced only because I wasn't sure if the previous owner did so. Fister exhaust mod was done, but everything else on this car is original.
I'd argue that the 98-00 should be the most desirable examples since they can be acquired for less money and are less prone to the IMS issue. So I'm not sure why this hasn't caught on yet - you would think they would carry a premium or will carry a premium at some point in the future.
People like different things about both model years. Not sure what there is to catch on about. Buy em, drive em, enjoy em. All there is to it. Bang for buck is anecdotal, I paid more for my '00 than some spend on a prime 01+ C4S.
I purchased my '99 C2 in 2006 with 35k miles on it. I'm the third owner. I'm also on my original IMSB but have replaced all 4 rotors and brake pads, coolant tank,air filter, cabin filter, 4 tires, water pump, spark plugs,oil and filter(every year),MAF,antifreeze,one front wheel bearing,FisterD exhaust, and MO3O suspension, new battery. I now have 75k miles on my Porsche.After 11 years my '99 Porsche has never let me down and continues to be a very reliable car.
Love my '99 which I purchased in 2003. Unfortunately, I now just use it as a summer car and put a few thousand miles on it. Still has original IMSB, but I manage to put in a couple of thousand dollars in maintenance annually (steering wheel contact bracket, new horns, routine oil/filter changes, window regulator, etc.). The rawest feeling water cooled 911!
The guys are quoting model years, which generally run from Aug-July. The IMS was modified for the 01MY (late 00)... but your Turbo has a different engine which isn't prone to IMS or D-Chunk issues etc.
The 996 is indeed a real 911, and a fab value Porker for the wise
Porsche went from a small-numbers, one-or-two-model business plan to making Brazilians of cars in 46 different sizes and flavors. I love my 996, but it's not destined to be a classic. I can accept this.
It apparently can be determined by engine number. The info below is cut & pasted from post #719 in this thread ->
https://rennlist.com/forums/996-foru...l#post13758980
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According to Porsche electronics catalog.
Up to engine # M 661 14164 = double row.
From engine# M 661 14165 = single row.
I got this info on pelican parts site. The engine # not vin #.
Not sure if I would go as far as to say the water pump. It allegedly failed for my Stepfather and took out all a whole lot of other things according to his mechanic. I think the $3200 bill is why he sold it to me at nice price.
Stop telling these people lies! The 99s are worthless, horrible, awful, seriously the worst.... (You'll drive up the prices and I won't be able to buy another one cheap to canablize when my engine inevitably explodes for glory)
This is kind of unsurprising news, but the first time I've seen Hagerty put this notation in their valuation tool guide for M96 based 996 cars.
Check it out...
Well, if you have a double roller, you might be able to argue that it doesn't matter so much...
Right now, there are QTY
(45) 1999-2000
manual transmission 911s listed on cars.com that are priced under $20k. And 4 of these have under 50k miles, while quite a few others are well under 90k miles.
The Haggerty price guide seems realistic. However, there are two important "differentiators" for Good 996s...mileage and mntce. records.
The presence or absence of mntce records will swing the price +/-$2500, and low mileage examples (less than 75K) are becoming scarce.
Hey...these 911s are now almost 20 years old! Hence, 100K miles would be considered Low Mileage by most measures.
Just sayin'.
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