I bought KK's car(long story...)

To end the suspense(not that most cared), I am the guy who bought the 2003 C4S from KK back in August '14. As a Porsche enthusiast and owner in the past I was well aware of the IMSB/RMS issues the '99-05 cars experienced. Previously owned a 1999 C4 and immediately after purchase replaced the IMS with the LN Engineering fix. Decide to upgrade to a 4S and begin searching with one of the criteria being the IMSB has either been addressed already or if not, use that as a bargaining tool. Find KK's car on Autotrader and notice how much preventive maintenance has been done, including IMSB and figure this is a great car. Make a phone call to him to discuss purchase and decide to send him a deposit and buy the car. I guess it's my fault for not asking about details concerning his IMSB fix as he never mentioned any specifics. Car gets shipped with approximately 59K miles on the odometer and with the accompanying notes and receipts from KK I can see the bearing was changed at 58K miles. I drive the car a couple times a week, no track time or overrevs, and change the oil regularly. So since purchasing I have put around 7K miles on the car. Was out for a pleasure ride about a month ago doing 50mph and the engine just shut down. Had the stereo on at the time so I didn't hear anything unusual. Pulled over, tried to start it up and it would crank but not catch. Got it towed to my indy and after diagnosis-blown engine, failed IMSB. Emailed KK just to give him an update and told him I wasn't going to post the story on Rennlist because there are enough horror stories out there already. He responded with condolences and asked to be kept in the loop as things progressed. A few days pass since I emailed him and I notice a thread on Rennlist concerning my car, posted by KK. Judging from the number of responses it appears he is not the most popular member and one of the posts actually puts up a link that details KK's attempt to address the IMSB issue with his own economical fix. This is news to me as there was never a mention of this experimental approach to the problem prior to my purchase. I do feel there should have been some discussion as this is a significant element to the car. Again, my bad for not asking for details. I do, however, think there is a moral and ethical obligation to be forthright about an untested attempt to fix something that can potentially lead to catastrophic results. I totally understand "buyer beware" and realize I don't have a leg to stand on as far as any kind of compensation for this extremely expensive repair. I did buy a rebuilt engine and am currently breaking it in. I do have full documentation of the disassembly, complete with pictures, of the failed part which turned out to be a Pelican item(for which I have receipts from KK's paperwork included with the car). I have since emailed KK asking for his opinion and I do understand his attempted fix was not done with malice, he truly felt his solution was viable. As of today I have not received any response from him. At this point I am over-invested in this car and was seeking any advice you guys might have to offer....

This is going to take me a while to process....

C4911 Do you mind sharing a quick rundown of that "economy fix". Which parts were used and , if any idea, what went wrong? For informative purposes only, obviously. Thank you

Yeah unfortunately there is a lot of bad blood around here with KK and his views on the 996/m96 and our views on him and how he treated that car. I'm sorry for your loss as that just sucks no matter what. I guess the usual answers apply. 1) Sell it as a roller. 2) Have someone local rebuild it. 3) Find a used motor to swap in. 4) Talk to Flat 6 Innovations about what they might be able to do (though I believe I've read that Jake won't accept an already disassembled engine). Regarding #3, Martin (MBMotorsports) just posted info yesterday about some motors he has in stock for reasonable prices. I didn't pay close attention, but I think the 3.6 blocks have his roller bearing IMSB (history and contention there so you'd have to read up and make your own decision). Good luck with which ever option you go with.

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In the idiot's (KK's) own words: https://rennlist.com/forums/996-foru...-and-pics.html And KK's thread about this situation for those that missed it: https://rennlist.com/forums/the-abys...ine-story.html

Yeah, we are collectively done with KK and his act, but that sentiment did not transfer to the new owner with the car. It sucks to hear a car went south, glad to hear that you have the will and the financial ability to keep the car moving. Best of luck.

The important question, for me, is that did you purchase the car "as is, where is"? (what exactly did the bill of sale say?) If so, your legal remedies are probably limited. At that point you're relying on (as the famous play "A Streetcar Named Desire" says): "the kindness of strangers" A lawyer, even if your bill of sale says: "as is, where is" may tell you that if KK was negligent in updating your IMS, he could still be liable. I hope you and KK can reach a mutually satisfying solution.

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He already has a rebuilt motor.

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Well the implication was that he have it rebuilt by someone competent that doesn't cut corners on critical parts

Looking for a "budget" fix of an IMSB is asinine. You'll likely read other posts about "upgraded" going Kaboom but if you peal back a layer or two probably find that the person with the issue either had an IMSB that was failing already leaving metallic fragments behind or was cheaping out trying to save a buck. That's why if you're buying a 996 you'd better confirm that it's an LN bearing and hopefully installed properly by one of their installers.

Went with Vertex rebuilt...

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Thanks gnat. Still can't understand clearly what bearing was used? After some reading through that page you posted, ironic

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Please adjust your gold plated bifocals to where he said he already purchased a rebuilt motor and is currently breaking it in. And don't lead me on with that slutty emoji!

Whatever the rebuild cost you, I'd ask KK to pay for half. Although KK takes a lot of crap on here for being a troll, give him the opportunity to do the right thing. I assume you're an E-2C Hawkeye guy. I think I asked you that in a previous post but don't remember if your responded. I'm a retired S-3 guy. If KK doesn't do the right thing and split the cost with you, then contact me via PM and we'll discuss the appropriate legal actions to take. There are plenty of smoking guns sitting around here on this forum to form a very viable fraud case given what he did to the IMSB and then apparently how that was presented to you, the buyer. Elements of Civil Fraud in the State of Texas: 1. There was a material representation made that was false; 2. The person who made the representation knew the representation was false or made it recklessly as a positive assertion without any knowledge of its truth; 3. The person who made the representation intended to induce another to act upon the representation; and 4. The person to whom the material representation was made actually and justifiably relied on the representation, which caused the injury. See Ernst & Young, L.L.P. v. Pac. Mut. Life Ins. Co., 51 S.W.3d 573, 577 (Tex. 2001) Anybody on here think this situation doesn't meet the Supreme Court of Texas' elements of fraud?

Not that long of a story, but a sad story to be sure. Too bad the IMSB upgrade was not divulged to be some homegrown upgrade of apparently, obviously now, insufficient robustness. Hopefully all the posters to his thread regarding his homegrown IMSB upgrade who offered praise and I guess believed he had come up with some viable IMSB "solution" will now be made wise to the fact it is no solution and avoid following his example. With used cars it is "caveat emptor" and unless KK makes some kind of goodwill gesture you are I think out of luck. My advice then would be to focus on the future. You have the car back on the road with a rebuilt engine. Follow the rebuilders guidelines regarding break in and oil changes. Unless forbidden by the engine rebuilder I'd advise you do an early oil/filter service as rebuilt (and new) engines shed lots of trash/debris and contaminate the oil due to blowby new/rebuilt engines experience as they break in. Then afterwards do regular oil/filter services on a reasonable schedule. With these steps and some luck you should experience a long and trouble free service life from the engine and the car.

It's starting to get real...

Welcome to Rennlist! Your car is great, the previous owner not so much. If nothing else you have one of the best known and most discussed cars on these pages. :-) I hope you stay around, this is a great place for info and often a lot of fun. Hopefully the car gets back on the road soon and you can enjoy it again. By the way, the SAI pump was also rebuilt by KK using a hobby shop bearing or something but that's not a biggie if it fails again. A bit weird though because in most other cases of replacing or at least talking about replacing parts, he was the member most likely to advocate paying big bucks to get the identical part to what was easily available everywhere but in a shiny silver box with red Porsche script all over it. It's good to finally see the car being enjoyed as it was meant to be enjoyed. You need to drive it in the snow as well and post some pics of it covered in road grime, KK's head will explode.

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Number 4 sounds about right.

While I am nowhere near informed enough to have an opinion on the merits of one bearing vs. another, and I certainly can't speak to the standard of care employed by the previous owner during the car's maintenance, I'm bummed to see you were stuck in the same position as other IMSB-affected Porsche owners. Many here bought the KK kool-aid that the near obsessive amount of PM work done on that car would render it immune to any future issues. Glad to see you've already dealt with the problem. Although I and others have been labeled by the previous owner of your car as poseur DIYers who can't find the open end of a paper bag, we're happy to help with future issues in any way we can.

Well this is certainly a fine kettle of fish.

I've been ridiculed for it in the past, but it seems to me the safest position vis-�-vis the IMS bearing is to purchase an unmolested, healthy car and have the upgrade done the way you want it done. If the retrofit has already been done, you may never know the reasons for the upgrade (preventive maintenance vs. reacting to indications that the original bearing is failing) or the details about the upgrade. Even with meticulously documented cars like the subject car of this thread, the buyer still wound up with a skewed understanding of the car's condition. OP, I'm impressed that you just forged ahead and took care of it rather than wringing your hands ad infinitum. Even a picture of the car sitting in the rain would be sufficient to send the previous owner into a tailspin - I believe exposure to rain was one of the 56 bullet points included in step one ( 1. Conditions requiring an immediate engine drop and full cleaning ) of KK's Preventive Maintenance Flow Chart (TM).

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I'm still out of loop here, which bearing was used? Pelican's or off the shelf SNF? This is a good point there! I decided to leave mine without the seal and run like that. When I'll be selling my car, it is the way I'm going to advertise it. "Seal-less" high mileage dual row with lot's of love.

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Completely agree. When I was shopping for my C4S, I kept an eye out for ones that had preventive IMS stuff done. Found one that had the LNE unit installed and had all the documented maintenance records with it. I didnt even drive the car for 1500km's and found out I had scored cylinders. If I was to do it again with what i know now, I wouldn't be afraid at all of picking up a stock, unmolested high mileage 996. I'd actually not want the bearing to be done for the reasons you just listed. who knows how it was done, or why.

IMS preventive became a big sales argument but what does it really mean? Found some metal, slapped LN back on it and now it's for sale?

To the OP - this sucks royally. I usually make a habit to stay out of the KK drama, but this just sucks. I can't believe that he wouldn't honestly disclose his DIY work when it deviates from what a reasonable enthusiast would expect. I would sincerely hope that he does the right thing and offers to help you offset the expense to get the car on the road...even if it's just a little bit. I hate to see an enthusiast get burned - especially from another "enthusiast". Best of luck getting the car on the road, keep a level head, ignore the noise and stay positive throughout the experience.

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Sorry to hear what happened to you but you just gotta suck it up to a learning lesson and move on, which it already seems like you did. Also do not let anyone get in your head about the Vertex engine which most likely has a roller bearing retrofit in it. There are strong opinions on both sides of the field on this too. A lot of us are "over-invested" in different ways. The end results though usually are the same in terms of the thrill/happiness factor when we get to drive these fine machines. Glad you are "driving" your car unlike the previous owner who couldn't even drive on a 500mile trip over the IMS fear. Thanks for your story though, I think it should've definitely been told.

I had a similar situation. Recent IMSB replacement by P.O. - failed within a few hundred miles of my ownership . To help others avoid this problem, it would be useful to know what caused a seemingly well-specified bearing to fail so quickly. Based on my very expensive experience of this specific issue ,the cause was a failure to conduct the full LN pre-qualification inspection. And who knows if the correct install procedure was followed. Others have recommended not buying a car with a recent diy IMSB replacement. Based on this situation and mine I would agree. If you are thinking this is just over-cautious pedantry -just read the LN Pre-Qualification and Installation guidelines. There 31 pages with an astonishing amount of detailed imperatives there. http://theimssolution.com/wp-content...ions-01-16.pdf I would bet the Installer missed one or more of the Instructions. Probably wrong to blame the bearing or Pelican.

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The following was posted to the original thread detailing how OP's car's bearing was serviced. This is provided not to rake muck or muddy the water, but simply to point out - assuming I interpreted it correctly - that as early as 2013, there was at least some indication in the previous owner's upgrade thread that the bearing used might not have been appropriate for the application. However, I recommend reading that thread in its entirety in case I've misunderstood the quote or its context.

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Without a specific brand name and part number it is difficult to extract the information required to help others avoid this problem in future. Sorry if this seems excessive detail but if there is one thing I have learned about this flawed engine - it can be exceedingly unforgiving if you overlook the smallest detail ! Hence my suggestion to read and follow all 31 pages from LN. Having produced such Instructions in my day job, reading between the lines , I can't imagine how many iterations the authors went through to produce the final document. It is a treasure for M96 owners. I share some guilt in this issue because I have dabbled in trying to spec an upgraded IMSB for my own use. I did not act on my own research and fitted a bearing (good quality generic !) supplied in the replacement kit. Why didn't I buy an ABEC 9 upgrade that I found ? Basically it came down to 'Am I really smarter at specifying bearings than the pros?' The self-humiliating answer was "No". Here is the full thread.It is awful reading! https://rennlist.com/forums/996-foru...l#post10644697

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My new glasses must be worse than I thought. I still don't see anything about already have a new motor until after our exchange...

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..and then some...we all have to realize that the K'ster is reading along with us while taking several trips to the bathroom to clean his shorts.

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Last sentence of the third paragraph. Time for a new pair.

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OP's 1st post, 3rd paragraph, last sentence.

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Sadly that is known to have happened Once the bearing has started to go, it's too late. The engine needs to be torn down, cleaned throughly, and put back together (usually with some key parts being replaced). The problem is that the shed metal runs through the entire system and will get lodged in places that no amount of flushing will remove. Then it just sits and waits until it finally falls free like a clot in your blood stream. Either AWDguy or Ahsai have some pics of such things from when they disassembled their motors. Jake has shared a number of such pics too. Basically it comes down to if the LN bearing wasn't installed by a certified installer that did the whole pre-qual check, then a growing number of us feel that the upgraded bearing is no more valuable than the stock bearing when the car is sold.

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Just picked up the bastards last night too

Back to original post - the bearing did not fail but a part from pelican failed? What part was that?

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I was under the assumption based on KK's description in his thread documenting the bearing update that he used the Pelican kit EXCEPT the bearing that he sourced directly from the bearing manufacturer/distributor, and that he subsequently contacted Pelican trying to get them to change the bearing in their kit so it would include the one he used. Based on what we've read over the past couple of days, I hope Pelican continued to ignore the suggestion. I interpret this as "I used using the Pelican retaining bolt/stud with the ceramic hybrid [CH] bearing I sourced directly."

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I read that as the documentation had the receipt for the Pelican bearing. IIRC in his "I want to do this cheap" thread he mentioned buying a Pelican bearing, but then went on to use the el-cheapo option (maybe with the Pelican flange/bolt?). If that is indeed correct that would sound like a serious case of misrepresentation to have included that receipt without accompanying notes about what was actually installed.

Sorry to hear about what happened but even with the home grown fix since you had put 7k miles on the car there's likely very little that can be done legally. Sure KK can volunteer to help out but he technically did change the IMSB, he just didn't use what most of us would consider to be the appropriate solution. Glad you're back on the road, hope you can continue being a member here and putting this all behind you.

Glad to finally hear from you and sorry about your car issue. Since there is most likely no recourse, try and put it behind you and know that the RL 996 forum is here to help with future 996 issues. And if there is a possibility of getting some $$ out of KK, I wish you the best. KK was extremely ignorant posting your catastrophic engine failure here on RL last week to harass us and goat us. After fellow RL member posted KK's old IMS thread and the shortcut repair using subpar parts, we all confirmed KK dug his own grave and has some sort of psychological issue. Having been a member here for a long time and a person who has bought and sold several cars to RL members over the years, I was really taken back that someone could be so deliberate in their evasiveness. Especially after his taunting the forum. We all like to have fun and games poking insults and grinding on our fellow members, but when It comes down to a hefty investment and a serious transaction, the jokes are left aside and people need to be forthright and upfront when selling a car. KK is a great example of what we do not want here on RL

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These two statements are not congruent. This is clearly and absolutely an actionable case . It is not often where you get the smoking gun evidence necessary to move forward in a civil fraud situation. This is that case where it exists, however. KK has assets. Even in a state like Texas with very liberal (yes I used "Texas" and "liberal" in the same sentence) bankruptcy laws, it is worth proceeding against him. Find a young lawyer in KK's area of Texas who wants to establish a reputation and who will work on a contingent fee. I cannot imagine a more favorable set of facts to go to trial with. Do you think the lady who sued McDonald's for the hot coffee incident had an open & shut case? The potential punitive damages here could easily run into the tens of thousands of dollars as the actual damages are significant. A judgment for civil fraud is non-dischargeable in bankruptcy, by the way.

Thank you Counsel - I assumed a bill of sale with "No warranty stated or implied" and "Sold as is" protects the seller no matter what? Would be great if buyer could collect some $$ - All the power to him. I'd be all over KK if I bought that car.

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KC: After reading your posts for so long, I thought you were a great guy.....now I just see you are chasing ambulances. WTF dude? The pain and aggravation that the OP would go through would not be worth it. Why do lawyers in the US have to sue everybody for everything? It's a used car for god's sake! For the record, I still like you, but don't agree with you on this one.

I too am in favor of KK being sued.

Can we make this thread sticky, and have a link to it auto-post in response to any future post from that pathetic slime ball KK?

I think we can all agree that the OP is a class act. Sorry we had to meet him under these circumstances.

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If we used the same thought process as in the Walker case, could probubly add Pelican, Porsche, and the bearing vendor. If yo bring suit in Cal, add in rennlist While I am not an attorney, I would agree with our resident attorney KC that it appears to be a strong case of fraud from KK

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You also need to figure that KK most likely didn't seal the bearing correctly using the proper sealant and good chance his install was subpar - mixing and matching IMS components is simply a ignorant shortcut/rookie move to save a few dollars.

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I didn't get that KC was advocating it so much as pointing out that there really is the potential for a case and explaining how it might be a really easy one. To be fair to lawyers, if the general public wasn't so sue happy there would be a lot less of them in the world...

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You sound way off - This isn't an ambulance chasing case. If the OP can collect some money to put toward his new engine, power to him. The OP would have no pain or aggravation sitting back and letting the attorney sort it out given the facts. It would be icing on the cake if anything - A sense of gain

This is not an ambulance chasing case. I'm not even going to go further than that. KC is absolutely right, there is a case here.

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No pain or aggravation at all. A tersely worded letter from a good attorney on their letterhead is one of the fastest ways to positively resolve a conflict. Relatively inexpensive as well. Just give your barrister the facts and let them go to work. Its a lot more fun when you are the hammer. Not so much when you are the nail...

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good call paul. many of the re-pliers in a perverse are glad that the op,s engine failed.....it gives them a chance to key board fight KK. i would not buy from half these hippocritter po cheerleaders .as for the [ha ha] legal "advice" ninja pleeezzzz......dude could not fix a dog walking case from their mommies basement

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post #4, in case you missed it:

Personally, I don't think "C4911" has a case IMHO. I've personally experienced cases of fraud (by my definition) and have won some, but many of them get thrown out because of the laws associated with used car sales or there was a lack of evidence of malice or fraudulence on behalf of the seller. The laws may be different in his state, but in Georgia, if a person purchases a used car "as-is" regardless of what's been done to it (i.e. modified, repaired, etc.), it's his warts and all. And the fact that C4911 has owned the car for almost 2 years and has put 7,000 miles on it, doesn't really give him a legal leg to stand on. Yes, I fully agree that sellers should honor full disclosure, but unfortunately, the laws are light on used car sales which causes sellers to hide problems and/or look the other way. Of course, we all know because of the $$ that was exchanged in this sell, that this is not something that can be easily settled in small claims and so he'll have to hire an attorney and spend a ton of money to present this case in court. My comments have nothing to do with the person "KrazyK", but rather based on my experiences with cases of fraud in my life. Of course, there is nothing stopping him from getting a legal opinion or even pursuing this in court... he has ever right to do so, but he'll have a tough case either way and the penalty for losing is that his bank acct will become much lighter. Cheers!

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I think the issue here that could give this case it's legs is that KK sold the car with the disclosure that the IMSB had been changed and also included the receipt for the Pelican bearing, but did not disclose that he actually used a different bearing for the swap. So he ended up selling the car as one thing when it was actually something else entirely and outside reasonable ability of the buyer to verify before the sale. If he had simply not promoted the bearing being changed and/or not included the receipt for the not-installed-bearing in the documentation, then I would agree that it would be a tough case. He did though (and documented it on the web!) which is what could make it easier than usual. All that said though, I still wouldn't really advocate filing a suit. It sucks and the OP is out a chunk of change for KK's misdeeds, but I generally prefer to just move on with life rather than have to continue to interact with such a situation.

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Because of juries, who make crazy awards and thereby encourage these suits, that's why. And juries comprise just about a complete cross-section of society, apart from attorneys, who are almost never chosen to sit.

I'm pretty sure the OP asked for advice on what to do. Not for people to fight on whose opinion is right on if he can sue or not (appears to be just as opinionated as what oil to use)

The fact that PO posted that current owners car failed is low down, insulting, and frankly inexcusable. pandering is all this is.

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I litigated one of the largest civil cases in the history of the United States. I think there is a case.

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Evidently, you have not read enough of the seller's posts. He is a master mechanic with MANY experiences that make him far and away more qualified than any of those rank amateurs who actually developed solutions and brought them to market. /sarcasm I think what I'm most surprised by is the failure of the seller to disclose the facts about the retrofit, since he went on and on about what a brilliant plan it was - and in fact crowed for some time about how he and the buyer were of the same mind about the car, blah blah blah. The BSometer has always been pegged, but now I realize the scale was completely wrong and we were measuring BS in tens of units instead of the thousands that were being produced. As far as the car - I suppose one could argue that the motor was flawed and the failure was just the result of that engine being one of the "bad" ones that came from the factory - but it can't be overlooked that the car did 59,000 miles on that crappy sealed carmaker-doesn't-know-what-they're-doing conventional bearing but only managed 7,000 miles on the hybrid bearing hand-selected by the previous owner. I don't give legal advice - but I guess one question the buyer might consider is whether the manufacturer of the bearing used would have prevented him from buying the car. The kit that was used (sans bearing) is already a lesser expensive product than other retrofit solutions on the market, so it doesn't seem that buyer's decision was predicated upon the use of the best (i.e. most expensive, most publicized, most discussed) retrofit product. Finally - I recognize that we all have differing opinions about whether or not legal action is warranted - but calling out our resident legal expert as an ambulance chaser for proffering his opinion is a little harsh. Let's keep the vitriol focused upon the korrect party here...

To the OP: KK asked me a few years ago when he was replacing his bearing about the bearing I bought to experiment with (it was sold by BOCA Bearing and I told him in a PM and in the engine repair thread "Dragged me home one of these", that what I did was an experiment, there was zero information on that bearing and I was willing to take a chance on my engine). Fast forward to the Fall of 2014, when I took my engine apart again because of oil pressure issues after going to the drag strip. When I removed the bearing flange, noticed the experimental bearing was on it's last leg (luckily it hasn't come apart yet). Shortly after this I either sent KK a PM or actually posted in HIS engine rebuild thread that, he should contact the owner of his car (if he had the contact info) and let them know that the bearing in my engine didn't do so well and if anything, to at least check his. I haven't gone back to read that thread so only going from memory at the moment BUT I'm pretty sure he said he had no info on the new owner so......... here we are today. As with all my threads on engine repairs, I always post the good and the bad. My 2nd engine repair thread (hosted on another Porsche forum but links are posted in original "Dragged me home one of these" named thread here on RL) was put on hold since last summer because I have been working on another car or other projects. My conclusion from my experiment was that the bearing I used (sold by BOCA bearings, double row hybrid with ceramic *****) is not suitable in my engine and the next one will be something different, perhaps I'll try a roller bearing instead (since those were not used back then so information was very limited on them). Things like this happen when you are experimenting but since KK knew the bearing he used didn't last for me, he really should have contacted the OP (like I suggested him to do) and tell the new owner "Hey, just and FYI, that bearing I used in your engine, you might want to keep an eye on because the only other person that used it (and was willing to share the data) had a failure.

OMG, too much to digest...

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Wow. Things just got greasy up in here.

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5th chair? Was the outcome favorable to you?

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This hole keeps getting deeper. Should be getting close to China by now? Maybe even in the same proximity where the KK's failed $12 bearing factory is located.

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No groovzilla, just to be technically accurate, I believe he decided to ditch the $12 bearing and use either the $35 or $45 ceramic one. LOL.

IMO said: "When I removed the bearing flange, noticed the experimental bearing was on it's last leg (luckily it hasn't come apart yet)." You are one of the brightest (& bluntest :-} ) Rennlisters for mechanical issues so your experience with a self-specified IMSB is particularly valuable. It is unlikely(?) you failed to do the pre-qualification checks or bungled the installation. So what do you think caused your first replacement Ceramic Hybrid bearing to fail ? I understand that BOCA disapproved of this application for the bearing - but why? Do you have the specs on the bearing? My interest is just the engineering an wanting to understand more about this issue. Grateful for any ideas you care to share here. Thank you.

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Lucy splain?????

Please don't encourage him !

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Careful or you'll make him start calling everyone tinkerbells again Go read his post history, he is safe to ignore.

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Agreed. Mind blown. Didn't someone have a TV show idea floating around in a thread somewhere?

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I'll pay you $5 if anyone who has replied to this thread admits to being glad that OP's engine failed. I wouldn't wish that on anyone - not even the guy from whom OP bought the car. Several of us aren't fans of that person, but the reason we're here is our mutual apprecation of the 996. Just because someone is an arrogant, obsessive DIYer - or a semi-literate fanboy thereof - doesn't mean they deserve to spend thousands and thousands of dollars on a blown engine. Sidebar: is a re-plier the tool you use when the pliers didn't work the first time? More coherent ramblings can be found written in poo on asylum walls...

This ain't nothing that can't be resolved with some torches and a wagon load of pitch forks! In all seriousness, if the new owner had known through PO's disclosure that the IMSB replacement was experimental, there is a pretty good chance that he would have replaced it. If based on a free consultation with our local forum attorneys, that KK's action were potentially fraudulent, then the new owner should seek damages for both his sake and "justice's." It will definitely make the PO think twice before doing it again. I still find it fascinating that PO has not typed another word since Ahsai's posting of the original thread and his realization that he had fully documented his potentially fraudulent acts. As for the new owner asking for advice on his car... While you might be upside down on market value, you still have one helluva of a car for the amount you have invested in it. As a previous Porsche owner, you already know how special they are and that IF you fall in love with a Porsche, nothing else seems right after that. So enjoy every day you have it like its the last, drive it like you stole it, and smile every time you see it.

Ok just re read the first post. If I read it correctly, the car already has a rebuilt engine in it so car is good to go - just over invested in car. So here is my advice. The only way to get your monies worth is to drive, drive, drive. And have a drink and forget about it. Time makes it seem not as bad. Trust me. I was $45K into a 1999 in 7 months of ownership. As far as legal action - yes there is a case - but is it worth it? That's a personal call. But the bad bearing reveal by IMO? OMG. This is better than TV.

And we should all admit was are glad the car failed. Take the 5 spot from schnell and send it to C4911. Can you picture it? Schnell paying for KK's deed?

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Probably the best 2 bits of advise yet

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You are genuinely glad the car failed? Son, I am disappoint. I'm further disappointed that I now have to send $5 to the ransom-note author. As for Mr. K - I think it's time to retire the "UNFAIR" plate in favor of...

I say we sue KC. One too many "frunkensteins." I wonder if KK will ever post here again? Kinda like that GreyGoose guy who was claiming how great ObamaCare was, and smugly posted about how easily he signed up for it on the first day (when everyone else in the country met with a crashed system). Turns out that he signed up at a scam site that mirrored the real one, but with a .org ending instead of .gov. Never heard from Goosey again after that one.

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He so grossly misrepresents that as funny that it would probably be an easy case to win.

Class-action? Or, I guess, low-class action?

One more attorney to enter the fray! Just step back and think about walking into a courtroom to demand damages over a used car purchase that didn't go right. No written warranty with an almost insurmountable presumption that the car was sold as-is, where is. Tell me what look you imagine on the judge's face. I'm not a litigator, but I would buy OP a beer, express my deepest sympathies, and refuse the case. - Dave

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I think you made a good choice. Replacing the motor isn't fun or cheap but you also bought the rest of the car and you sound pretty happy with that. In the end you'll have a much better car and this time it will be your engine and you won't have that issue to worry about.

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KK is actually a sales rep for Mazda and all this is to drive business towards the new Miata

Had a new Miata in my Driver Skills group back in March. Nice looking little car. Wouldn't trade my 996 for one though... As for OP's misfortune, sincere condolences and if you're ever in the Seattle area, look me up and the first pitcher of beer is on me. (Small consolation I know.)

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Hahaha. I think Ted Wells was fifth chair.

This may be the failed bearing spec ? "So, the parts I used for the IMS replacement were of course the Pelican kit which goes for $165 and the Boca ceramic hybrid bearing part # SMR6204C-2RS TH9/C3 #3 which goes for $69.95 ( http://www.bocabearings.com/productd...px?ItemID=4260 ) I'd love to take the credit for finding the bearing but the hard work and research credit goes to KrazyK and Imo000 (Imre). Those two pointed me in the right direction and gave me the pointers I needed to do it right. In the end, I decided to go the single bearing route as Imre's double bearing method required machine work to the snap ring and procurement of a specific sized spacer. I could have done it but since I'd already ordered the Pelican kit, I decided to go the single bearing route like KrazyK. It was simple. Just had to press the Pelican bearing off and press on the Boca bearing and install. So for around $235, I have a very nice IMS setup." Source: https://rennlist.com/forums/996-foru...g-install.html http://www.bocabearings.com/productd...px?ItemID=4260 BUT ... the bearing may be O.K. - just inadequate pre-qualification/installation ?

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Sorry 'bout your luck. You can't say he didn't address the IMSB. You have vented which is an important step. Have a drink. Sleep well. Get over it. Move on with life. ...don't trust a good deal half way across the county I'll bet my sister's TXBar card no Atty. would take this up, well maybe if they see you as the easy mark.

Am I the only one who looked up Boca Bearing and thought, "Why the hell would anyone put one of these bearings in their Porsche?"

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Definitely not, everything about that just seems questionable. There is a reason why the real replacement bearing costs many hundreds of dollars. There is also a reason why you don't don't take shortcuts on engines costing many thousands of dollars, as this thread has been a prime example of.

Why use the BOCA bearing you ask ? Probably because the specs match/exceed the OEM part. That is the point of the discussion. There is more to this issue than mere specifications. Here are the specs for the failed bearing. Which specification is deficient? O.K. we can think they are counterfeit bearings or Q.C. rejects .But just focus on the paper specification. They seem fine to me. http://www.bocabearings.com/productd...px?ItemID=4260

Is Boca bearing like Boca Burger?

Interesting info, Schnell Geb. Do you have a list of the specifications for the OEM one? I wonder why the Boca rep specifically stated that this bearing would fail if used in this application.

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Before I even go digging for my machine design textbook, the company doesn't even have an iso certified quality management system. (At least that I could find) Just going based on that, I would not do business with them. In my profession, I couldn't even legally use this company as a vendor.

The information I'm about to talk about is not in the spec sheet. I had to use one of my textbooks from college to get this information. 46qqa33.jpg This chart is used to determine your dynamic and static load rating for an equation used to figure out the life cycle of a bearing. Before I did any math, I noticed the load ratings are very similar, indicating to me the bearing KK used appears to be a 02 series deep groove ball bearing. All bearing part numbers are made up of a type code, series, and bore. The second digit is what we're interested in as that indicates the robustness of the bearing. A number 2 series bearing indicates it should only be used for light duty applications. The item ID for the bearing used is 6 2 04. The 6 indicates it is a roller ball bearing, 2 for light duty, and 04 for a 20mm bore. (Except for 0 through 3, the bore size is simply five times the third and fourth digits together) The spec sheet and item ID lead me to conclude the reason the bearing failed is that it's only a light duty bearing. As a mechanical engineer, and a human being with common sense, would not recommend this bearing for this application.

For those interested the information provided came from a textbook with ISBN: 978-0-07-339820-4 and was used in an ABET accredited M.E. undergraduate program.

Here is the Timken catalog for this size/spec.You can configure your own 'upgrade' with the info here - start at p14. http://www.timken.com/en-us/products...alog-10857.pdf But it may be that even the best bearing from Timken/SKF etc. would have failed because the limiting factor was not bearing specs,ABEC numbers, nor quality control. Remember that 92% (?) of the allegedly low spec OEM IMS bearings had no problem for 100.000+ miles (?) Other threads with knowledgeable contributors have mentioned many other issues beyond mere specification. The load vs.lubrication issue has been discussed many times. IIRC the last 'new' cause of failure was alignment.

I'm getting tired

Guys, lets stop arguing the semantics behind the bearing and get back to the relative topic at hand. OP, next time you are in Northern NJ around giants stadium, hit me up and we'll go for a cruise. is on me. Sucks but you might as well drive your car and enjoy it.

there are several factors not being considered here.. 1) the sealed bearing had it's seals removed... There is a debate on if the oil is sufficient in lubrication of the bearing.. 2) without the seals any foreign matter could have infiltrated the bearing and caused failure. No? The paperwork on the bearing used indicate it at minimum met the stock spec. Perhaps it just didn't like the modifications made to its original design.

I will be the first to send a personal check for $100 to C4911 to fund a lawsuit in this matter. Who else will?

C4911, a bit off-topic man....but you were on the 996 forum for a long time. And simple cross-referencing shows that you posted/were on the board on the same days as KK was posting his "fix" suggestions. You had a 99 996 and you posted quiet a lot on this forum. How did you miss KrazyKs posts and not know who he is? You didn't bother researching his "history" on the forum? You posted in his "car sold" thread that you bought it from him, so I assume you did some due diligence on his "engine drops"? https://rennlist.com/forums/996-foru...or-sale-3.html

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Disagree ... Would you be willing to allow buyers to perform invasive inspections to your car (as a seller) to discover deceptions like this, ie. dropping a tranny?

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Wow! The plot thickens! Canceling my donation to the lawsuit fund. Nothing to see here folks, move along.You just can't make this stuff up!... Or can you? Do you think this is a collaborating troll?

To answer your question it would start by looking a little closer at all my postings since becoming a member. Most are greetings for new members, complimenting another members car and a few concerning cosmetic issues. You won't find a single post in any mechanical/technical thread as I don't read those. I am not mechanically oriented so knowing of KK's reputation prior to purchase is definitely a stretch. I saw his ad first on Autotrader even though he was also listing it on this site. I didn't learn he was a Rennlist member until after deposit given. At the time I didn't consider doing a background check and I'm not sure how many others would. Of course hindsight is 20/20 and next time I am in the car market I'll have to be more careful.

Sorry, my apologies. That was inappropriate. I got carried away. You've got a great car that was very well maintained except for one bad decision made by the PO. It just as easily could have been the AOS. Truthfully, we all know an engine may be in our future at some point and that's OK. We didn't buy them for their TCO.

Wow! You really just can't make this stuff up. To the OP - I feel your pain, having gone through an engine failure after doing what I thought was the right thing. I lost my engine about 20K miles after replacing the original IMSB with the LNE ceramic bearing. After much soul searching, I spent about the same amount as you for an upgraded Porsche crate engine with the larger diameter bearing. IMO it's an awesome car and it was worth it. Best of luck with your new engine and I hope you are enjoying your 996 as much as I am!

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/agree. You were posting mostly greetings. And since you are not mechanically inclined, this makes sense man. Just a very bad situation for you. And unfortunately you walked into the ****show that KK was running on 996 forum. I am glad you are getting the new motor and moving past this.

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I can relate. OP, read through this for some fun: https://rennlist.com/forums/996-foru...today-and.html

Now I see why KK never wanted to drive it.

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Sorry to have to ask this, but did the LNE bearing fail, or was it something else? How many miles on the car before the bearing change?

Can't believe all this talk about demanding a refund or suing KK. While I definitely commiserate with the buyer to whom this happened, blaming the seller for the problem, JUST BECAUSE HE IS A KNOWN FACTOR ON RL, is totally misplaced. If you bought this car from "Joe Blow" in Sassquatch, and this same thing happened, you would not expect or get a reimbursement. In fact, I don't even think a used car dealer would be held liable for the failure. Their usual defense is that this was a Porsche, and the buyer drove the car too recklessly, causing the failure. Furthermore, any half-intelligent defense lawyer would find, within 3 minutes, the considerable volumes of literature documenting stories about IMSB's failing, even after recent replacement. Personal dislike for the seller could never be a factor in a legal settlement. So, there should be no surprises that this falls flat. Without knowing KK at all, I can say that while I greatly commiserate with the buyer, I also commiserate with KK for the hatred that will be heaped on him to follow.

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I can't say for certain because the engine hasn't been taken apart yet. It's still sitting on a shelf at my indie's shop waiting to get rebuilt. I'll update when I know for sure. I had the bearing changed, along with RMS, clutch and flywheel just after I got the car, at about 25K miles.

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Could have failed for many different reasons. The engine wasn't sheding metal when I picked it up as a non-runner. The cam tensioner pad wore through, broke off and jammes in the cam sprocket.This caused the timing to jump and wipe out 6 exhaust valves and that's why it stopped running for the PO. It had very high mileage too so there were other issues too but mechanically it was sound enough for me to get it going again. You see, the bearing hype got me to change the original part. The bearing that came out of the engine was still in good condition but because I was new to these guess engines and all the fear on the net about the bearing, I looked for a replacement that didn't cost a fortune. It was still not a cheap bearing (my dual row ceramic hybrid was $100USD + shipping and customs). I'm very confident the bearing was installed correctly because the custom made shim didn't allow to install it snap ring unless the bearing sat square in the back of the shaft. My main concern was maximum operating temperature and after talking to Boca, I was confident enough the 325F limit was good for me. Unlike KK, I left the seals on my bearing because the factory did too so figured, let's try this combination first. I had no signs of bearing surfing metal until I came back from the drag strip and decided to change the oil. The oil pressure dropped at the track after running 2 back to back runs with one non functioning radiator fan. So it is entirely possible the oil temperature went far above the maximum limit for the bearing but there are so many bad ables, I just don't know. The real reason the oil pressure loss was that the main bearings on the crankshaft were falling apart from lack of lubrication (I think this was caused by the over heated oil too). So when I pulled the filter to change the oil, it was full of glitter (more glitter than a cheap stripper ). This is when I realized the bearing is probably coming apart. I rinced out the filter housing, popped a new filter in, filled the engine with regular 10w30 and drove it from the driveway, into the garage for engine removal. I think this last step actually helped flushing out the engine a bit. Once the engine was pulled and then transmission separated from the block, I pulled the bearing flange and sure enough, the bearing was extremely loose. So to sum it up, I don't know what really happens but the overheated oil probably didn't help. I was very dissapointed that this experiment didn't work the way I was hoping it would but now it's time to try something different. In all fairness the specs on this bearing looked better than the one it replaced but clearly it didn't last in my case. Maybe the next one will fair better.

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That could actually work against him as it would also show that there are well known and accepted options to mitigate the issue. It is also easy to show that KK (with no proof of formal training or experience in the pertinent fields) felt he knew better than everyone else and was going to do something else. It can also then be shown that the bearing manufacture said it was an inappropriate application and we now know that the only other person that tried this bearing sent him a warning about the bearing failing. Finally we also know he sold the car as having it's IMSB replaced, included the receipt for the Pelican bearing which he only used the mounting hardware from, and did not disclose his experimental use of a non-accepted bearing. Our thoughts on him are indeed irrelevant, that doesn't change that he publicly documented this fiasco. As I've already said, while I would love to see KK get ruined to the point where he can't afford Internet access ever again, I'm not a proponent of a lawsuit over this. I think it can be shown he misrepresented the state of the car in a manner that the buyer could not reasonably verify, but I think the cost and headaches of a lawsuit on top of what he has already gone through just aren't worth it. At least it's not to me. There is your problem and why you should have done some research before posting on the subject. He has a long and antagonistic reputation. He has also (as shown in links provided in this thread so you don't even have to search) documented his culpability in this matter. The guy is an egotistical *** that believes his own hype that he is somehow the greatest m96 mechanic in the world.

I remember when KK was selling and there were many comments about what a well maintained car this was, all I thought at the time is that this was the last car I'd be interested in buying as wouldn't want a car that some **** had been consistently taking apart and reassembling!!

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Not really worth responding as the result would be an off-topic argument, but your counterpoints are weak and easy to refute or deem non-contributory to the case, when viewed from a NON-emotional, uninvolved perspective. However, I wish the buyer nothing but good luck, and hopefully, KK will do the gallant thing and work out some kind of resolution.

As posted prior to this thread becoming a mini-novel, KK would be deemed in a much better light had he not come to the RL forum and display his stupidity by mouthing off about his cars engine failure. The bottom line is KK did a sub-par repair on his engine and it wasn't disclosed to buyer - nothing more/nothing less. He has avoided the buyer at a time when buyer could use support and information related to the sale - KK is a failure. Considering the IMS is such a topic of discussion and concern to almost every 996 owner and buyer, every 996 owner has due diligence in being forthright about the condition of their IMS bearing if they have knowledge. Any RL member selling their car should be upfront about all aspects including anything related to the IMS bearing in their car. I've sold 2 C4S's and 2 996 narrow bodies on RL over the past 7 years - Every ad I wrote clearly indicates whether IMS was replaced, what type of bearing was used, when it was replaced and what shop did the work. Including any other issues related to mechanical or aesthetic wear that I am aware of. KK was a big disappointment to me as an RL member - I used to vouch for him at times when he dug holes in other threads. I gave him support at times. I know others had more involved issues with him on mechanically related threads and since I used a Porsche shop for any and all work done to my car I don't contribute much to these threads and appreciate help when needed. The bottom line is a lesson should be learned - Be upfront and disclose any and all info on your car when selling - Even better, make sure the IMS bearing has been replaced professionally or at least by competent sources. What KK has done here has cast even more bad light on a Porsche model that is a hell of a lot of fun to own.

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He did give me a tip on how to reach the hidden bolt on the AC compressor when I was dropping my motor....so I got that.

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That's my biggest problem with KK. At one point he was actually a good and helpful member. Then something snapped

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How? I could use this info.

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You most likely know but for others that blind bolt can be removed by taking out the thermostat on the bank 2 intake runner...be careful of the rubber grommet falling out because once it gone it IS gone. The hole left is an access hole to the blind bolt.

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No I didn't know. I removed the compressor completely. I'm going to have a good look to see where this thermostat is. Haven't touched my project since last July.

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but, but , but.... the car WAS driven 7000 miles after purchase from KK -- which would truly make the case defensible. (I believe the buyer said it was 7K miles that he owned it.) I'd ventuire to say that none of you who find this a problem, have, yourselves, sold a car and personally guaranteed it for even 5000 miles (if I am correct in saying that the buyer owned the car for 7K miles before catastrophe). Now, if engine failure happened within 500 or maybe even 1000 miles, it MIGHT be something different, and it MIGHT be something different if the car were a run-f-the mill minivan (and not a high perf car), and if it were from a dealer (maybe). Come on... if you haven't sold a car to which something unfortunate and unpredictable happened within a short amount of time after the sale, then you haven't sold over 20 cars, and your self-righteous vindication is due. Cars break, and disclosing who, what, why, where ANY repairs were done to a used 10 year old car is an insurmountable and unanswerable task. Only when a particular component breaks does the microscope get focused and the unending analysis and dissection of the blame begin. But truly, I think the buyer has been quite gentlemanly when he posted this thread, but we respondents have been like the daily media, eager to leap upon the popularly unpopular subject, and thrash him. Reminds me of the daily thrashing that Trump gets when someone in his campaign farts. No, I am not a Trump fan, but I do recognize hypocrisy and sharks-on-blood behavior when the target is an unpopular person.

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I think that's a bad analogy. There is no direct connection (that has come to light) about Trump directing his supporters & staff to do the things that media gets upset over (I personally thinks he supports it and I wouldn't be surprised to find out he has explicitly given such directions, but nothing is provable at this time). KK, on the other hand, documented what he did (using an unproven bearing) in a public forum. This isn't something we are trying to pin on him just because we don't like him. We actually know what he did because he went out in public and broadcast it. At best he is just another low life used car seller that didn't disclose known items pertinent to the transaction that couldn't realistically be discovered by reasonable due diligence of the buyer. In my opinion, the only difference between what KK did compared to someone that slaps a new bearing in an already failing engine is that I don't think he did it out of malice or an intent to pull one over on the buyer. He was honestly interested in trying something new and I applaud him for that, but given how critical of an issue the IMSB is in the sale of these cars and that he stated the bearing had been replaced, he absolutely should have disclosed the nature of it's replacement. You keep going on about warranties, but we aren't talking about some random part on an old car that decided to let go. This is more akin to buying a car where they say they just replaced the brakes (and you look and see that it indeed has new rotors and pads). Then sometime well within their expected lifespan you get in an accident because the brakes failed. Under investigation it's found that even though they gave you a receipt for acceptable components, it turns out that those aren't the parts on the vehicle and the ones there are not appropriate for the vehicle. Then when you start looking into it you find out that they proudly talked about installing these brakes as an experiment and even worse you find that they were warned both about its inappropriateness and then later failure in another case. You can bet your *** in such a scenario your insurance company would have a field day going after the person(s) that sold you that car. You've already said you don't know the history here. I would suggest that you stop trying to defend KK until you've gone through both his general history and the history specific to this case.

A year and a half and 7K miles went by - I don't think OP expects to collect anything from KK. He didn't do anything worse than the people who dump their cars at CarMax do - and some of the people here think dumping a time bomb on another buyer by way of CarMax is completely OK. Should karma have its way with KK? Yes. Omitting the details is lame; not passing the info that Imo provided along to the buyer and potentially preventing the failure is inexcusable.

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Bingo.

I just want other people to feel bad.

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OK, you don't want to let it go, but want to take it to a painful level. No problem. There you go -- exactly right, even in the KK case. "Nothing is provable at this time". Meaning that there is no case. You can only make the unfair connection that Mr KK, an unpopular RL character by High School clique definition, MUST have intentionally screwed up his car and then hustled someone -- despite having receipts and notes that he had fixed its problems. It won't work, and that is my point all along. Keerist, from everything in the IMSB literature that is evidence-based, there is no such thing as an IMSB replacement that is "proven" not to fail. Are you somehow the single undiscovered expert on IMSBs who has found the ONE AND ONLY IMSB that never fails?? What? You mean there is one that is totally guaranteed? No, they are ALL still experimental until Porsche comes out with one that they recommend! ...and don't go emotionally quoting your latest survey showing that "my party is right"! Show me an ironclad guarantee from ANY of them that tells me that they have the ***** to believe that they have God on their side; THEN I will believe it. Not even Porsche will give you that for their bearing. I think you made my case for me there. He did not do this out of malice, but instead he genuinely thought he had a reasonable alternative to the IMSB solution. AND, HE FOUND IT, as far as he was concerned. What, was he supposed to drive it 100,000 miles to prove it to you?? Nah. Over 1 year and 7K miles, in a court of law, would easily bring up the likelihood of OTHER circumstances causing the disaster. You would have to prove it otherwise -- which you cannot do. And, as I previously stated, the jury would immediately suspect that anyone who drives a Porsche would not be driving it like Mom drives her soccer van. They would assume that a Porsche driver would be a wild driver -- not a careful, low-rpm, tottering and careful driver. The sports car stigma is unavoidable. Oh?? And WHAT ARE "the parts" for the IMSB THAT PORSCHE COMPANY RECOMMENDS?? Replacement with their own stock bearing is well documented to fail! There is no such thing as an "approved replacement part" for the IMSB. Not even the P-Factory will give you that. No, you can bet your *** that the insurance company would NOT even bother going after someone in a situation like this. Instead, they would refuse your claim. Since when does an insurance company cover mechanical failure? I want to buy insurance from them! I'd suggest you either take on the buyer's litigious case or shut up and sit down. You will unnecessarily rile him up with the hope that he can win, when the preponderance of reasonable doubt is against him. Again, I am certain that the buyer did not intend any of the 7+ pages of controversy that his initial post generated.

Thank you IMRE or IMO for your explanation of the failure of the BOCA bearing that you correctly fitted to your car: "So to sum it up, I don't know what really happens but the overheated oil probably didn't help. I was very dissapointed that this experiment didn't work the way I was hoping it would but now it's time to try something different. In all fairness the specs on this bearing looked better than the one it replaced but clearly it didn't last in my case. Maybe the next one will fair better. " See post #118 for full text. Clearly there is more to achieving a successful IMSB change than just specifications and good Installation. I am trying to help others who research this issue in future and try to learn from the sad experience of helpful contributors like IMRE and victims of failed IMAB replacements like me. The one thing I have learned is that buying a car with a recently replaced IMSB is very risky. As others have suggested - buy a 'virgin' car or one where the replacement meets current best practice. And if you buy a replacement used engine ,the same idea applies. Anything else is as IMRE says - an experiment. In my case the rebuild was well over $7000 !

Yep

I would take Stasha's side on the legal proceedings of any sort here. 11 year old super-car with 60k miles bought from private party and no warranty. It breaks down a year and a half and 7k miles later. There is ZERO recourse here against KK. My AMG broke down three months and few k miles after I bought it last summer. Transmission cooler/connector tab broke and immobilized the car. I called the owner...just to ask where the tow hook is, he said "I never used it...why you need one?". I told him that car broke down and needs a tow. He was sorry, I told him cars are cars and **** happens and it isn't his fault.

I think several of us agree that there is probably little to no chance of a legal case here - If there is, all the better - But the fact still remains that KK has a big mouth, no class and did a ****-poor replacement of his bearing. And we all agree he put his foot in his big mouth posting the failing engine thread. Sort of baiting the RL forum and he got what he deserved....Good thing people like this get weeded out of the forum and even better that ashai took english as a 2nd language

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Because you are uninformed about the whole situation. You are being intentionally ignorant since the information is readily at hand, yet you obviously choose not to process it if you even read it. Actually it is indeed provable because KK himself said what he did and documented it all quite well. He just chose not to pass it on to a buyer that may not have know his Rennlist history. Really? It's unfair to use the statements KK made as evidence of what he has done wrong in this case? We aren't making these things up and people have responsibilities for what they say and do. He provided receipts for a part that was never installed (in it's entirety) and provided no notes about his experimental modifications to the part. Any logical person would take the "IMSB has been replaced" and a receipt for a Pelican bearing as meaning that the Pelican bearing was installed in it's entirety. No one reads a receipt for an LN bearing and thinks "Oh, they probably just used the flange bolts and threw the rest away". Either quote where I have made such a claim or stick your ignorant straw man BS back where it belongs. Porsche has one that they recommend, but even it is still known to fail. It needs to be treated as a replaceable part. Period. Even with that, if there are no other mitigating factors with the motor, the IMSB should last far more than 7000 miles. Which is all fine and dandy as long as the car is his. Once he put the car up for sale and claimed it's IMSB had been replaced he had a responsibility to note that it was an IMSB of his own planning. Ask any 996 person that knows about the IMSB issue what "IMSB replaced" means and I'd be shocked if you find one that thinks "something a shade tree mechanic came up with" is a reasonable interpretation. That's what makes his actions fall into the misrepresentation category. Given that we know stock bearings will do that and more, yes. Or at a minimum the 50k interval that other bearing suppliers list as their service interval. A few hundred or even a couple thousand prove absolutely nothing. It's too late now since the motor has been disassembled already, but there is at least one such expert that could tell you if it was the bearing that failed or if it was a casualty. Funny, if your motor fails and you get a reman from Porsche it just so happens to come with a new bearing that few (any?) 996s came from the factory with. It also has a significantly lower failure rate than the stock 996 versions. That they don't sell it separately is irrelevant. You really are just an idiot so I'm done with you after I finish this response. It's not covering the mechanical failure in that case. It's covering the loss of the accident and as there was a provable cause due to someone else's fault they damn sure will go after getting their money back. You obviously have no clue how insurance companies operate. I've said multiple times that I don't agree with actually filing a case here. How is that riling him up? I may need some legal classes, but you my "friend" need some reading comprehension classes.

i agree the OP would likely be wasting his $$$ suing KK. Although he is guilty in the court of public opinion. Still there is a cost to defend yourself that, depending on the State and type of claim,. cannot be recouped even if the plaintiff loses. I must admit I have spent a few bucks going that route knowing the other party didn't have a lot of dough. Sometimes, that is just as good as a win, knowing you still got in their pocket.

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Plus it might be good experience to gain process wise.

I remain in favor of a giant convoluted life ruining lawsuit.

Two impressions: 1. Splitting the cost is 'fair', regardless of what the law of the land might be in his jurisdiction. 2. This has all the makings of a $5000 settlement, for which each side will spend $10,000 in legal fees. I'm not a lawyer, but I come from a family full of 'em, and I stayed in a Holiday Inn Express. Oh, and I've pi**ed away a reasonable amount of time and money in idi*tic court cases. Personally, I think it would be a tragedy if someone wrote "Lying M*********er" across the seller's lawn with Roundup, in the middle of the night. Truly, an awful thing. Just saying.

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Gnat - Any chance you can help me with a Landlord-Tenant case? You're steadfast posting gives me the chills

After ingesting several vodka soda's I can see how someone could make the assumption we look like a bunch of female cheerleaders after losing a big game. However I'm lovin it and wanted to ask any of you girls if you had any input on the changes for our 2017 uniforms??

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I'm thinking shave your legs, you ****.

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We should add wings for a tinkerbell like effect

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I can't answer that while DT is in mourning. Ask again next week.

As I am in the middle of my own full on project debacle I have run into much frustration with Porsche not even providing replacement parts. The Porsche dealer today told me that the LN bearing is the "most reliable" solution they have seen. Although admitted that they know of failures due to unknown factors. They also do not retrofit... So there is actually NO solution approved by Porsche other than an engine replacement. So everyone putting anything but a reman from Porsche in is experimenting.. All I want is a stock dual row replacement bearing. Not a fancy upgrade... I feel bad for the OP, and KK. He tried to build a better mousetrap and it didn't work out..

Such nice cars. From such a d**chebag company. "Ja, vell: ve dezigned ze 917 und ze 911, und ze 928, but: ve haf no idea how to replace a bearing vissout you buyink new engine."

KK didn't reply? and he still have the avatar picture of the car in question!!!! Wowww!!!!!!

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Originally Posted by sweet victory View Post We should add wings for a tinkerbell like effect Click the image to open in full size. F'r God's sake, Cuda, keep your home movies to yourself. Nobody wants to look at that ****...

Groove!

Found this photo of Gretch serving beers at last years Porsche Tractor Fest - I sort of like this German theme.

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Gnat Gnat Gnat -- swat swat swat. Calm down my boy. As any debater knows, the moment your opponent resorts to making denigrating personal comments in lieu of logic, it means that their brain has lost its ability to logically counter your rationale. I won't bother to sweep you up, but I might suggest you take a few college courses to help you think better. HOWEVER, if you EVER have a car for sale, PLEASE let me know! I want to buy a car from you, because you now have professed in print how virtuously meticulous you will be in providing the exact details of every single flaw, every single repair, and every single negative aspect of the car you are selling -- AND, you obviously will guarantee it from any defect for at least 1 1/2 years and 7000 miles, minimum. Of course, if you have replaced the IMSB in the car you are selling, it will be personally guaranteed by you for 50,000 miles, according to your written comment regarding your expectations of the longevity of an IMSB. It is more likely that you will grow up and sell a car or two, and find yourself shucking and jiving better than KK to throw blame back onto your buyer. My, how the world comes back to bite the *** of the self-righteous preacher. Beware of Life delivering you payback.

I'd happily buy or at the very least kick the tires of a car from Groov. He's sold several over the last few years on here and I've heard nothing but good stuff. I'd lay down money that the C4S he bought last month will be back on the market within twelve months and most of the regulars on here would probably not take that bet. I'd expect that if he did change the IMSB he would go with a known quantity and would make it clear when he changed it, why he changed it, who changed it and if anything was any different than what a reasonable person would expect. If he made any other repairs I think he'd be up front about that as well. He seems to buy and sell them serially, why exactly I don't know but that's neither here nor there. So far he's not a "one and done" kind of seller and the surest way to stop being able to sell your wares is to get the kind of blowback that KK is getting.

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Pretty sure that Porsche will sell you a new intermediate shaft with the latest bearing. Aren't Porsche parts guaranteed 2 years? http://www.gaudinporscheparts.com/oe...Fcdehgodno8Efw

I, for one, are completely sick of this thread. Okay, so the purchaser of KK's car had an engine blow up. BFD. Time for all of us to "get a life".

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Internet muscles are a peculiar phenomenon.

Don't forget...many of us suspected way back when that KK was a LEO.

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KK's parents to the rescue!!!!! Sent from my iPhone using Rennlistedtrtfytj

I can assure you if this happened to you it would be a BFD.

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What a cheap cop-out. Your previous posts were clearly meant to be denigrating; to subsequently claim the moral high ground in an argument in which you've previously abandoned logic in favor of disparaging Gnat is pathetic. Following that up with a thinly veiled suggestion that Gnat is somehow less erudite than you adds a dollop of weak sauce to your already overpoweringly sad diatribes.

I love this site!

I can't engage in this erudite conversation since I am ESL. I can only speak in straight and direct thoughts. Was with a girl at my place a few weeks ago...she was making me dumplings and stuff. We start kissing...she asks me " What do you want from me?" K: " I just want to **** your brains out!" G: .... jaw dropped.

I'm assuming if she was at your house and you wanted to **** those stupid brains out of her that her brains were not her most prominent feature. I approve.

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Well, clearly she missed the point, but if the jaw is agape...*zip*

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Heh. Funny. K: Fifteen seconds later, she again asked what she wanted from me, as my previous request had apparently been fulfilled.

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I guess you enjoyed it, lol....

She is actually a really cool girl, jokes aside. Loves cars and models on the side. Model look vs Make you dumplings look. giphy%201_zpsgmxq5yev.gif

Is she a hand model?

She did make me a lot of great dumplings, so those hands have talent.

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Because of the dumplings orrrrrrr?

He'll let you know in 15 seconds.

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Dumplings, I had enough dumplings for a week worth of dinners.

I love your "Say hello to my little friend" poster on the wall behind your dumpling maker.

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Parmalat?

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Because Imo000 posted a cheap solution and had 10k on the solution. Everything posted on the internet is true. I feel sorry that they ruined a perfectly good engine by following internet recommendations. The 996 forum might as well be merged with the 944 forum with this type cheap solutions being put of there.

Not every solution needs to be the most expensive solution - especially when it comes to tires, "competition" brake pads, and other stuff for which the skill level of the stack of meat between the pedals and the wheel makes much more difference than spending an extra $600 on a set of tires. As much as I like to give Hurdi crap about it, $5 worth of gutter guard probably works just as well as $500 worth of billet-milled, powder-coated, virtually-indistinguishable-from-gutter-guard you buy from a Porsche parts site for keeping crap out of your radiators. However, cheaping out when it comes to a part of the engine - a part that WILL cause irreparable damage if it lets go - is unforgivably stupid. Imo000 did his as an experiment on a roller he picked up for chump change - super. Someone else using that same experiment on a street car and then passing it along as a reputable part to the next guy is just unthinkably stupid - but the installer's arrogance prevented him from seeing how stupid it was. *shrug* 12 pages later: Damn, OP, sorry you got boned. With all of the crap the previous owner posted about how poorly built the M96 is, you'd think he would have gone with the cr�me de la cr�me solution, the part that was most widely used and actually supported to a degree. Instead, the platform's biggest detractor installed a hand grenade. Makes you wonder...was it less important to be right about the bearing than to be right that the M96 is incredibly unreliable? I genuinely can't fathom another reason for selecting a bearing that - as far as was known at the time - ONE person had used for this application.

Dammit, the tags are in the wrong order.

To the OP: I'm sorry to hear about the unfortunate experience you've had with your car. It sounds like you've got the right approach to this (mentally) in moving forward now that you're breaking in your new engine and trying to enjoy your 996. There have been a lot of assumptions made by people posting in this thread but, as KC and others have noted, it can't hurt to collect all of the facts from the threads, your dealings with KK (including any bill of sale) and reach out to a lawyer willing to take your case on a contingency basis to get their thoughts on a potential claim. Good luck! -Eric

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I think "she made me dumplings" will become Rennlist-speak for something else entirely.

It's our 20th today....I think dumplings are for supper tonight.

Was back at Mizzou over the weekend for my fraternity alumni weekend. Always good to get back to a college town and see all of the pretty young dumpling makers out on a nice spring afternoon.

Hopefully you got to see a herd of yoga pants around campus.

^Eiwwwwwww^ Dirty old dude alert !!! And I'm speaking to ^bofe^ yooz goyzzzz

brings back memories of me and one of my old girlfriends - feeding her dumplings unleashed her inner passion.

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Wow, that's pretty much the same reaction I got from the college chicks.

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Guess you weren't dropping enough $100's.

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Seen at a local car meet... Then again, also seen at that same meet... -Eric

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I have previously stated my condolences and empathy for the buyer's situation. For those who continue letting their hatred for KK drive their logic, when speaking to the lawyer, don't forget to start it all off with "I drove the car for over 1 1/2 years, putting on 7K miles". It will save the lawyer a lot of time in making his/her decision whether to take the case. Any good lawyer will blow right past the vast negative emotions shown by the loud and internet-surly clique that somehow has been given the latitude by the moderators to dominate many of the Pelican threads, making much of this site their personal Facebook account. The conclusion will be No Case. Sorry. BUT, since this thread has now been protracted due to the KK animosity, why not crank this up a notch. I propose a collection be made for the buyer's benefit, and I challenge the loudest proponents for a legal case to be the first to put their money where their emotions lie. Doubt if there will be any takers. Typical Internet huffers.

I didn't know you were into civics

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Yup. Seriously.

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Wow, angry much? Thank you for making my point about assumptions. I don't believe I've ever commented on KK one way or another in all of my years participating on this forum and, in fact, generally avoided most of his threads since they were of no interest to me. Moreover, nothing in the post you quoted suggested any hatred of him. I would have offered the same advice to anyone who purchased a car from someone under similar circumstances. And, while I have no interest in engaging in a legal discussion, I'm not sure what most of your comments have to do with whether or not the OP has a claim for fraud or misrepresentation under Texas law. In fact, ignoring the morass of emotional content in all of these threads (including your own), it seems clear to me that nobody here has the full set of facts about what happened. Despite this, as KC and a few others have suggested, there is enough information to suggest that something funky (yes, that's my own legal term) may have happened; funky (and expensive) enough to the OP that it might warrant a conversation with a lawyer -- one who would be privy to the whole story before drawing any conclusions. The OP can do what they want. And you, too, can feel free to angrily dismiss the recommendations based on ignorance and misunderstanding. It make no difference to me. -Eric

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you got bad case of poopy pants you just don't seem to get it - if you bothered to read thru the hundreds of posts from KK, you would clearly see that he dug his own hole - plain and simple. he constantly degraded the 996 and attempted to "bait" us when he posted the imploding of his engine and chances are it was caused by his sub-par IMS replacement "part" which he never disclosed to seller....now KK won't respond to sellers requests for some sort of communication?? i take offense to that because all of us here have integrity and try to be as forthright as possible - so why don't you just F_ck off and go play somewhere else. get a clue prior to making yourself look like such an angry clueless a-hole

Eric: Stasha is making a common mistake - confusing a contract claim with a fraud claim. The amount of time that has passed and the mileage are largely irrelevant. This isn't a "you sold me a lemon" case - it is a "you lied to me" case. And also regarding paying an attorney an hourly fee. You are correct - this is clearly a contingent fee case. None of the personal injury law firms are going to take the case, but this case will be attractive to a litigator looking to make a name for him/herself. So, everybody put your checkbooks away. Also, after speaking with a Texas attorney, it appears that Texas has a very comprehensive consumer protection act that applies in sales by individuals to other individuals (as opposed to the seller being a business) as long as the buyer is a "consumer". I haven't researched it myself, but apparently the law provides for treble damages and a mandatory award of attorney fees if the plaintiff prevails. I don't know how this will eventually end up - whether OP will hire an attorney or not and whether OP will prevail if he does sue KK. But, there is definitely significant liability here (figure 3 times the cost of the rebuild plus attorney fees) and a very unique set of circumstances where there is a whole lot of damning evidence in the defendant's own words sitting right here on RL for everyone to see. My original recommendation to OP still stands - reach out to KK and give him an opportunity to do the right thing. If he ignores or refuses, the OP has got absolutely nothing to lose by pursuing the matter. And KK will be giving him no reason not to do so.

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Did you even bother to check Texas statute of limitations for fraud, or is it just easier and more fun to repeat yourself ad nauseam? Any good lawyer would consider the information a potential client brings to them and advise them based on their understanding of the law and how the law is typically interpreted and enforced in the jurisdiction in question. A good lawyer would be able to provide insight about the likelihood of a judgment in their client's favor as well as the options for enforcing any possible judgement. A good lawyer would inform a client whether or not "winning" would likely result in any satisfaction; in some cases where there is no reliable way to enforce the decision, investing time and money may not be worthwhile. In Texas (no, I have no idea where the transaction occurred, but I assume it's either Texas or New Jersey), civil cases regarding fraud and contract disputes can be brought up to four years later - but I'm sure if OP is interested in such things, he has or will request the advice of a good lawyer and will not be swayed by Internet arguing one way or the other.

IF the OP want to pursue any legal action, he should probably be busy printing and/or downloading screenshots. As I recall, KK's first ban from RL was for deleting his DIY Posts after getting butt hurt about something...

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Preaching to the choir, my friend. I was trying to be polite by not schooling him on the topic. I thought you (and a few others) hit the nail on the head with your initial responses. It never ceases to amaze me how many people play a lawyer online and strenuously argue their positions, as though their based on something more than a combination of gut reaction and TV law. Ever see a show called the Grinder? lol -Eric

This is a script for a 2 AM IMS infomercial on the shopping network. In all seriousness there is no case 7000 miles later What KK did is quite obviously in bad taste and the poor attempt at posting about the new owners failure is deliberate and calculated to save face The experimental retrofit reads like a serious of bad **** gone wrong as expected New owner I am sorry you got screwed Rest of us if you haven't done an IMS upgrade by now, stop playing Russian roulette and schedule an appointment, your probably next to post your horror story. Meanwhile anyone have any suggestions on where I should keep my cell phone

Funny, the attorneys lining up behind the "no case" guys seem awfully quiet.

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A feeble attempt. If it was THAT obvious, this WOULD be a case. But it is not. There is no need to "strenuously argue" to you on-line lawyers, because if it were a case, you would be on it. I began my first response a few days ago simply to express how the buyer should NOT BOTHER, because all you false prophets would only serve to unnecessarily goad him into taking on a suit that would fail. What? Are you patent or real estate lawyers? (I expect to hear a lot of bravado and huff and puff about your credentials after that remark.) TAKE THE CASE, DAMMIT! Show us how positive you are. Absolutely correct, and you probably are not even a lawyer but able to see the logic. As stated repeatedly before, the anti-KK sentiment is so great, it blinds even the professionals as to the logic of this issue. Yah, they are likely quiet because they realize that your "case" stance is indefensible, and it would be a wasted effort to try to prove you wrong -- after all, they would not receive any remuneration for their efforts. I chose to stick with this stupid argument, because I just don't like the dog piling and character assassinations that this Pelican clique is engaged in. In fact, I have observed that when anyone proposes a conflicting opinion to this clique, a similar dog piling and ridicule of the person who DARED to conflict with these juveniles. Not right. You should take your high school boyhood mannerisms to some social site. You intimidate many people who honestly just want to work on their Porsches.

best oil for the 996???

How about some Russian girls instead? Sasha Dith - RUSSIAN GIRLS (Official Video HD) - YouTube

I still would like to see KK get sued. Just sayin'

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FYI, that's KK's Russian cousin getting punished for selling a hummer with faulty IMS bearing.

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For the ignition switch or motor?

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I don't HAVE a case - and I wouldn't likely pursue one. I just don't understand why you think the OP investigating it is such a foolhardy idea when others who seem at least as knowledgeable as you clearly don't agree. Phone calls cost nothing, so why not let OP - if he's so inclined - ask a real, live, honest-to-God lawyer if he has a case instead of chanting your "you all hate KK and you're stupid" mantra? He could even leave out the "stasha says everyone hates KK" part to ensure that he/she is not overwhelmed by the seething hatred you seem to believe exists here. Pretty sure most of the people who have weighed in are arguing from the plaintiff's perspective, so the case doesn't need to be defensible. I wanted to give you props for working "remuneration" into a sentence, since we all know that big words are the cornerstone of every effective argument, but I'll let it slide so I don't get another "vacation" for going too far...

Stasha uses a thesaurus every time he posts, but he still doesn't know what liability is. Don't see why you guys even bother...

Found a photo of KK before his ship sank

Pretty sure stasha is KKs attorney desperately attempting to stave off the obvious impending crushing liability.

Can we sue Porsche again? They started it all in the first place.

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IMS Class Action Part Deux... Honestly don't know why Stasha is so damn excitable about the prospect of the OP suing KK. Under the circumstances, I'd sue just to f with him. If it cost him one sleepless night, it would be worth the $$$. He must have been on the wrong end of a verdict at some point. Oh well, we are all entitled to his opinion...

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. . . no matter how desperate they sound. Seriously, KK's a big boy. He can do the right thing and I bet an offer to split the rebuild cost would have him come out looking like a hero for way under $10k. The ball's in his court. By the way Stasha, how about you agree to pay any judgment OP gets against KK? It should be a no-brainer since there's no way any lawyer will even take the case.

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To the folks who seem well-informed of things legal, maybe you can help this knucklehead understand. Without being too familiar with KK or anyone else here, it's easy to view this thread without bias. I see the word "fraud" tossed out there but from the original post, it seems that it was a lack of due diligence. It's not as if this was a case of a flood-damaged car being passed off as one that isn't. Why is this different from someone buying a 996 without getting a proper PPI (or asking the right questions) and having the car crap out several thousand (7k?) miles later? C4911: I'm not looking to rub salt in your wounds, just trying to see where all this is coming from.

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When you say dumplings, do you mean "pelmeni" ? Yammiii

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This is the difference. KK says the car had the IMSB replaced using the Pelican IMSB. What KK does not say to the buyer is that a portion of the Pelican IMSB was used while other parts were not and the other parts that were not used were replaced with an unproven experimental material. Buyer thinks he bought a car with a known IMSB replacement but KK knew otherwise and did not disclose that little part to the buyer. Kinda sounds like fraud to me. Re: the PPI comment........no $300 PPI is going find what the IMSB is or isn't unless you drop the tranny. And even if that had happened it still wouldn't have been found.

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Victims often find blame with themselves, this is not unusual. That's why this is talked about as a fraud case and not a warranty case. The key pieces are that he was told the IMSB was replaced, was ultimately given a receipt for the Pelican bearing, and was not told that the Pelican bearing was not used. While the IMSB issue is well known, there is little you can do up front as part of your due diligence to verify any claims about it or it's current state. It is also reasonable to believe that if someone claims the bearing has been replaced, that it was replaced with one of the popular/accepted options (LN, Pelican, Vertex, etc..). KK also has a long posting history so it is questionable if going through it all to find that nugget from years ago is within the realm of due diligence. There are certainly things the buyer could have done (gone through all of KK's posts, gone ahead and replaced the bearing anyway, had the bearing inspected during a PPI), but the question would be if those are reasonable or not. If KK had simply not included the Pelican receipt this would simply be a story of bad luck and/or another POS seller. It's the inclusion of the receipt that makes it explicitly advertised as something that it was not that makes it fraud and opens the door to a legal case.

Who wants to start an IMS retrofit online registry. In 2 years we will sell it to Carfax and retire in Aruba. Simple concept. Register your car, provide vin, date of remediation, shop, supporting invoices for job done, even pictures! I am genius, wait why did I just share this brilliance with all of you?

What the heck. Might as well jump in the sewage a bit. The tech aspect: Without rehashing the whole thing, this is the 'perfect storm' of failure modes. Single row bearing, low annual mileage, and a replacement bearing that is not of the upgraded type. Don't know about the oil changes but surely a 7k mileage claim in 1.5 years would tend to say there was some acidic build up in the oil from products of combustion. No blame, just as I see it. The design is clearly at fault, Porsche has already admitted that and paid out peanuts to some few affected. Again, not mitigating what the PO did, or what the new owner did, just pointing out that the design is substandard, and has been known for a long, long time. Remediation was attempted by the PO, in using HIS(not Raby's, not Pelican, not mine) best judgement based on what he knew at the time, and with an eye toward the budget. Was that a good idea? I guess it seemed so to the PO at the time it was done. At any point in the service he could have stopped and said 'this does not make me feel good, I will use the xyz bearing'. But no - he soldiered on, with all due diligence related to his own path and the reasoning behind his method. Again - do we agree with it? Maybe not, but his intent (more on that later) was beneficial, to see if the job could be done at a lower cost for the masses so that maybe more cars would undertake the steps to mitigate an IMSB failure. The job was a partial success, as it covered the original issue with a remediation, but the devil is in the details when it comes to resolving a faulty design from the get-go. Enter the LN, and other vendors with their methods, and solid engineering behind them. The deal: It's my opinion that the PO sold his car with the expectation that the IMSB he did would not explode in 18 months/7k miles. Did he sell the car as a time bomb? That would be something I would need to delve into very deeply before getting bent about the deal. Most if not all used car sales in TX are defined by the 'as is where is' unless specifically stated with warranty and the terms of such. I've bought a lot of used cars in TX from private, and dealers, and the assumption from the start is no warranty, and in most case is exclaimed in big bold letters. Private party sales are not as well defined, but I'm pretty sure the buyer knew that the sale was no warranty. If there was a warranty, believing that it covered more than 1 year would be - stretching credibility. The buyer is silent on the terms of the sale. The 'as is where is no warranty' statement is prominent on every car I sell with a BOS. The lawsuit: I've stayed at a Holiday inn, so that makes me qualified to comment on the legal parts. TX tort on fraud: The elements of a cause of action for fraud are: (1) that a material representation was made; (2) the representation was false; (3) when the representation was made, the speaker knew it was false or made it recklessly without any knowledge of the truth and as a positive assertion; (4) the speaker made the representation with the intent that the other party should act upon it; (5) the party acted in reliance on the representation Pretty boilerplate. We don't know what 1, 2, or 3 were. But without letting KK completely off the hook(although evidence aside, it sounds like what I'm doing) he certainly made statements that the IMSB was replaced. How far did he go? Did he describe the job/materials in detail? Was the buyer privy to the rennlist info posted about the method? Did the buyer rely ONLY on what KK said about this specific repair? All interesting questions, but I think given that KK had only good intentions by his action to remediate a known bearing issue and not build a time bomb, I think most jurists would have trouble with #3. I know I do. Proving fraud is a tough one. And on a used car deal, and on a car that has a known issue, and with a seller who has taken some time, expense, and effort to alleviate it, and not make it worse on purpose, I can see failing the fraud test. But - happy to admit it could go the other way. I think the collective judgement of KK is colored by rennlist dislike of his character, and/or his off-putting communications and thread skills. Frankly, I don't care for some of his commentary either, but plenty of people find me to be a azzhat, oh - how will I sleep tonight? I've offended someone I never met on rennlist. Oh the huge manatee. As for paying out of pocket for the engine replacement, that's something between the buyer and seller. If it were me, and I did NOT write a 'as is where is' statement on the BOS pretty sure I would be helping the buyer out with some cash. If that statement is in the BOS, then - I'm sorry, but sometimes one is the bug, and sometimes one is the windshield, and occasionally bug meets windshield.

TX tort on fraud: The elements of a cause of action for fraud are: (1) that a material representation was made : A receipt for a Pelican IMS retrofit kit was included. (2) the representation was false : The bearing in that kit was NOT utilized. (3) when the representation was made, the speaker knew it was false or made it recklessly without any knowledge of the truth and as a positive assertio n: Seems self-explanatory. With the amount of crowing the previous owner did about this upgrade, the fact that he did not disclose it suggests this was intentional. (4) the speaker made the representation with the intent that the other party should act upon it: Seems obvious. (5) the party acted in reliance on the representation: The purchaser stated in this thread that this was a factor in the purchase. The buyer of the car has made it clear that the details of the IMSB used were not shared and that he relied upon the documentation provided with the car along with the seller's assertion that the IMSB had been retrofitted. FURTHER, it was documented in the previous owner's DIY thread that another RL member contacted the bearing manufacturer and was advised that the bearing was not appropriate for this application. Finally, the only other RL member ever known to use the same bearing alleges that he contacted the previous owner to let him know that the bearing had failed prematurely, and that he would be doing a service to the new owner to let him know that the bearing used now has - as far as RL knows - a 50% failure rate in a very compressed time frame. No contact was made (at least as far as the buyer has reported), and that bearing now has a 100% failure rate in all known M96 installations.

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Unfortunately, you seem to struggle a bit with reading comprehension and staying on point but I'll do my best to respond as clearly as I possible. 1. I made NO attempt to educate you on anything because you clearly know better than anyone here. On behalf of the forum, I bow to the depth of your legal knowledge. 2. If you step off of your soapbox for a minute and actually try to engage in a bilateral conversation, you would note that I only suggested the OP speak to a lawyer in TX to see whether or not he might have a viable claim. Your legal degree and knowledge of the full set of facts clearly tells you he has no claim. See point #1. 3. I have no interest one way or another in seeing the OP sue anyone (let alone KK) and never said the OP should sue him. You are entitled to reach your own conclusions based on your own facts and (mis)understanding of how the law works. In case it's useful, I'll happily share that, yes, there are leprechaun's and unicorns at the end of the rainbow. -Eric

Just noticed something: not a peep from either C4911 or KK?? Could we all have been TROLL-ed???

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You do realize that you're trying to educate non-lawyers who know the law better than lawyers on how the law works, right? The statute of limitations for a fraud claim is something less than 7k miles, dontchaknow? -Eric

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Zackly. I have nothing to gain or lose regardless of what this thread's OP does. I disagree with those who say that there is ZERO precedent for pursuing this if the buyer wanted to do so.

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What? You don't agree there are leprechauns and unicorns at the end of the rainbow? lol -Eric

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Oooooh...I missed the part where KK replaced parts of the Pelican kit with an unproven experimental material. I now understand. Wow. This is crazy! And the fact that KK posted about it, albeit the thread now being deleted...

It's ironc that OP explained his story and moved on and hasn't commented since. Yet the RL community as usual likes to drag this out over 16 pages thus far. Classic RL...

if KK's mom SASHA comes back with more worthless input i bet we get a good 4-5 more pages out of this thread

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Maybe even more if there's dumplings involved.

Mmmm . . . dumplings. (wait, we may not be talking about the same thing)

Wow this thread is a long trainwreck

I am efffing blown away! What a thread... and not to mention- a horrible way to learn a lesson about IMS failures. My jaw is still on the ground... WOW !

i knew we had a few more pages to go

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Hmmmm... interesting observation.

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WTF??? Who is this Stasha troll? How many real attorneys are actually in this thread? I think perhaps only ONE, maybe? The extent of my knowledge about the law is limited to my father, my son (in 3rd year at Lewis and Clark Law), my graduate school course work in Business Law, and frigging traffic court, and each have taught me one thing well, and that is---> Most people that think they know the law, myself included, absolutely have NO IDEA WHAT THE HELL THEY ARE TALKING ABOUT WHEN IT COMES TO THE LAW! You simply don't know , what you don't know. With that said- perhaps it would be a good idea for C4911 to talk to an attorney in his State and learn for himself if he has a "fraud" case or not, after all he did have a verbal contract with KK and (IIRC) it appears the vehicle was sold and shipped across State lines. I would not jump to any conclusions about what he may be entitled to, or not, under the law.

Yeah, personally i was really disappointed KK never showed up again - I think he moved over to Pelican site and is using this avatar pic

i am sure all you caring souls are donating money to help the op for his repairs. i myself wont but the last i read was the [haha] lawyers here set of a free legal service to handle the money.cash only to TINKERBELL &PUTZ HUT #3 GOAT PATH NIGERIA

^ Hey, there's no zip code on that address - makes me a little suspicious . . . Love, Tink

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We need Mark or another admin to see if both usernames are from the same IP address. It won't be the first time someone has been busted before.

I highly doubt it. I have my reasons.

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Do tell....

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Well for starters the OP has a posting history well prior to the purchase of KK's car. I can't believe even KK would be so pathetic to run a long con like that.

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Plus...he bought a transmission from Kalash and...oh wait. I'm confused again...

Sorry for not posting more to this thread but many of the comments here don't really warrant a response. Legal avenues are being explored at this time and I do appreciate input from those members who offered advice. Not sure how much more information I will post.....

Definitely not the same guy.

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I don't know how many but I can tell you it's more than one. Amen sistah! My $.02 -- you don't owe anyone an apology. Best of luck with whatever you decide to do legally. I hope you hang around to share (non-KK related) stories about the car and otherwise contribute to the confusion that makes up the forum! -Eric

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Don't let us get to you, we really are harmless Good luck whatever comes of it

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Welcome to Rennlist.

But promise you will tell us how the story ends. Promise!

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+996. because we care...really

good luck with everything

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They are not apparently. I've confirmed the IP Addresses don't match up and are from different states.

VPNs and Proxies kinda invalidate IP associations. Just sayin

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Writing style and grammar analysis? I do think it's funny with number of additional pages on the thread he pointed out that there hadn't been anything worth responding to.

OP is not KK. Pinkie swear.

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You got a point but if KK can't even do a proper IMS replacement, I doubt he'll know how to use a VPN. I use PIA so I can get around Comcast's warning notices when dl'ing BT's but perhaps I should also use it to come up with my alter ego user on here.

I personally have little concern of them being the same person. Have you read the thread? There is a great deal not worth responding to. Yet some of us did so anyway

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+1

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LMAO

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I guess my question should have been-- how many are RL Jack Leg attorney's ? LOL

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Yes, it was prime time drama quality! Front runner for thread of the year! We did so and continue to do so.

at the risk of getting blasted to smithereens and fried to kingdom come, I put my flame suit on and decided to bump this thread

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pay half, give me a break, let me know how that turns out. sorry but after he sold the car another 7k miles was put on it, anything could happen in that amount of time

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agreed but for those who want to donate to the legal fund set up by the liars [oopps lawyers] here is the address tinkerbell and putz hut #3 goat path nigeria

kromdom - Thanks for resurrecting. To Christian and extankerbell - Don't confuse lack of posting here by the OP for lack of progress. It's not my place to discuss anything regarding this situation. But I will simply say you both could not be more wrong. OP doesn't want to drag this out in public. Please respect that.

^^^ Translation: "I have a huge fat retainer with OP, and soon will be joining DT in glorious early retirement."

After further investigation by my Private Investigator(on loan), the OP was able to secure several assets including KK's gold mine in Nevada, several private off-shore bank accounts, real estate in Los Angeles and some 996 engine parts that were buried in KK's back yard. Buried parts included original 996 steering wheel with silver crest estimated at $35,000 My deal with the OP was 40% so i'll be stepping up to a GT Carrera and never coming back to this hell hole of a forum.

Groov... You've been "wacking" too many weeds my friend! hahahahaha

I'd love to see the failed bearing, and shaft. The risks associated with experimental IMS fitments isn't for the faint of heart, or wallet. What appears to be so easy, quick, and cheap has drawn lots of people to be their own guinea pigs. They've paid for it, but in this case, the next guy has to. They never listen to me, since they all think we have something to sell. Over the weekend a guy that bought some products from LN had one small complication during retrofit. Instead of working through it, with tech support he says "I'll just replace the bearing with something I found for 12.00 at a local bearing house, since I am running out of time". Haste makes waste and at some point this guy, or the next owner of the car, will pay for it. It happens every single time.

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Ouch! I'm feeling the pain for the purchaser of that car that "just had the IMSB done"...

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i too would have liked you to have done the autopsy on the motor BUT you are lucky to not any any bones in this thread. as i stated before many of these hippo-critter tinkerbells could care less about the owners woes....in a warped way they are glad it happened so they can keyboard smak KK.

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A little off-topic but how many '99 original IMS failures do you see these days?

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That's one of my favorite car sports, along with the Gallardo Lamborghini and the 40GT.

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No need to wait for the settlement, you can buy one of these now. LOL

The GT Carreraster is a sexy car.

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i'd have to burn that pig and use cash toward my next bubble gum purchase

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It's OK that you know less about things than you think you do.

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Mind blowing! And what did he do with an LN bearing that's been installed??

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drag into public, this topic is 6 weeks old so give me a break. Again, please let us know when you get half payment.

Ask yourself, why KK is deleting old posts?

what ever princess

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'Tis a single word:

Heh. I was going to leave it alone - but "what ever princess" manages to pack three grammatical errors into a three-word sentence. Impressive.

Is it Tinker Bell or Tinkerbell or tinkerbell?

I still don't get it

I'm pretty sure that it's tankerbell

tinkerbell n putz........princess

Whatever.

Asshat!

c'mon girls, you're late for cheerleading practice

This?

Taco bell

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Very nicely done.

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"It happens every single time."[?] Exactly how many experimental retrofits have you documented, and are you claiming that you have documented each and every one ever performed? Your fairy tail stories are better than Peter Pan - you know, the one with Tinkerbell.

I think Jake was being rhetorical

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You sound a little defensive. Was this you that bought the $12 bearing?!?!

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Nope, not me... I'd never spend that much($12) on the bearing when I could source the exact same thing directly from China for about half the price.

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Cool...I wonder if the consummate DIYer (KK) will also be handling this matter pro se. I sincerely wish the OP luck on this one.

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Sorry to interrupt a good flame war, but did somebody drop the transmission and have a look at the bearing? Should be obvious if it is still the original one, no?

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hey Squid, The IMS is part of the twisted equation in the story. Apparently, KK (from Texas) did the IMS replacement himself while posting step-by-step pictures of the progress. He later sold the car to the OP of this thread who experienced catastrophic engine failure related to the IMS. The debate seems to center on if the OP has a legal case against KK even though the OP has owned the 996 for quite a while. The debate went back and forth for some time. Provided a good bit of entertainment for the forum. ha!

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It's been a while since I've read through this whole thread but I don't think there's any question the OP's car did NOT have the original bearing -- although someone will quickly correct me if I'm mistaken. -Eric

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It's more than that. He actually made his own IMSB at home, from parts he cobbled together from various sources. That's the real issue.

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I am Groot.

I am root, and root > Groot. And everyone else.

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It was obvious the thread became a "KK roast", but I thought the issue was two fold - First, did the OP have any legal retribution against KK because he sold the car with a shady DIY IMS replacement to the OP. Or, since the car was sold as-is and the OP owned the car for many months, he would just have to swallow the loss of $$ as do most buyers when they purchase a used car as-is without any type of warranty or DOA agreement.

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Don't forget KK then tried to develop his own kit and tried to do a joint venture with Pelican parts to sell it. Glad that one never materialized.

IIRC, without re-reading the entire thread, one big issue is mis-representation. It was sold with the belief that it had a specific IMSB replacement and in fact it did not, rather one "created " by KK

KK's engine rebuild classes this week at local zoo.

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I think you nailed it. It has nothing to do with warranty or lack of.

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That is the way I understood it. What I am saying is did anybody make sure that the IMS is not the original Porsche IMSB? I wouldn't take that for granted. Also, which IMSB was supposed to be put in there? Used from Ebay?

^ I think KK carved it out of a potato.

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Fixed.

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There is no chance KK did not actually replace the bearing with the one he sourced himself - he was far too proud of the DIY he created. I don't recall the manufacturer from which he sourced the bearing. Another forum member called the manufacturer to ask if the bearing was appropriate for this use (installing on the end of the intermediate shaft); they said "no." If you want to read more detail, search for the IMSB DIY thread KrazyK created...or click the link below. The first result is the DIY thread. http://lmgtfy.com/?q=imsb+diy+krazyk+rennlist

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*******.

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Fixed

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Much better.

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I'm not sure how much relevant information you'll find since Krazy K has been on a CYA post delete campaign. The real issue here is that KK included a receipt(for a commercial bearing kit) in the paperwork included with the sale of the car, implying that he used the kit for the repair. However, in fact, KK only used certain parts from the kit along with his own sourced(experimental) bearing. The problem is that KK didn't disclose the use of his own parts to the buyer, thus leaving him to believe that the whole assembly was replaced with a commercial kit. Can you say misrepresentatiion?

Hmmn, I'd like to see these mismatched parts. I bet I know what killed it. Do you have any pics to share?

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I have pictures but I told my wife I'd never share them. -Eric

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He used a deep groove ball bearing he got from an rc hobby shop. (Not even kidding) Flange was from the pelican parts imsb kit. Not using an angular contact bearing was probably mistake #1 I'm guessing.

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Despite numerous promises that he would provide a parts list, KK ultimately never would, even though he was asked to many times. [ Then, there was this fun quote from the BOCA rep: Here's as close to a "list" as he provided: KK does provide a link to this bearing that he used: And KK provided this description of the drive shaft flex disk he used: https://rennlist.com/forums/996-foru...-and-pics.html

This thread brings the funny, especially with all the "legal" experts. I have $4 that says even if OP brings suit he won't see a dime.

Cuda911, you gotta quit doing Schell's job for him.

Aw, m3driver, you're probably right. But what the heck, let's make it interesting and up the bet to $100. I'll make the same offer to tankerbell and Christian.

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I'll hold the money. Please paypal all bets to me. I am completely honest...TRUST me... If this is your rent money, you might not want to make this bet...unless you're at least 9 times more knowledgeable about Texas law than you are about no-fault auto insurance.

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i agree that KK was dishonest when he sold his car - but i'd bet you $1000 there will be no money seen by the new owner of KK's car. i'm more than happy to PAYPAL the grand into an escrow account held by a trustworthy RLer

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CUDA i have a couple of ex-wives i'd like you to investigate

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Only a couple? Are we talking about the live ones?

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Yes...the "other" ones are in chest freezers in a storage locker in Barstow; no investigation is required.

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He doesn't seem to go through wives quite as fast as Seal Grey 996 C4S Coupes

I think the morale of this story is to always be honest, and forthcoming; but to also use components that are commercially available, proven, and well respected. When I build something crazy, and one off, it has no value and I have to throw it away... Else I risk the same thing happening that has been illustrated by this thread. We are forced to throw things away all the time.

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It's fine to cobble something together, but it's not fine to turn around and represent it as something different in order to sell it. There are plenty of one-off things that have value - rat rods and other one-off creations can be awesome - but in those cases you KNOW you're paying for a one-of-a-kind and you're willing to accept any risk associated with buying the only example of some thing...

The thread that never dies

The KK Bunny... Still going...

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Ha! Kromdom should be ashamed of himself.

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Well since there have been strong hints of legal proceeding in the works and KK is supposedly busy taking down evidence (and not realizing that the Internet forgets nothing) I would say this will be one of those cases that could drag on for an extended period of time. We could be posting on this for years to come!

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How about we skip the escrow proceedings, be adults and make it a hundred? I'm not willing to **** off my wife if she finds out I bet $1,000 on an internet forum over a blown engine playing "triple dog dare you". Basically, whoever loses buys the other one a nice dinner. I'm easy to find to collect. I trust that you're good not to welch on a $100 bet. It might be a couple of years before we know the outcome. And just to be clear, the bet is that OP never collects 10 cents or more from his proceedings against KK regarding this incident. Let me know if that works for you.

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This is gettin' goooood ! $100 is just enough to make it interesting...

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Just to put this in perspective, $100 isn't even one of JI's oil changes, or the other guy's weekly Starbuck's addiction, or one of Ahsai's engine assembly tools, one of Groovezilla's debris in his backyard you can accidentally lodge in your shoe if you walk over it, gnat's gold plated IMS, etc..... Basically chump change around here.

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Well, $100 can buy you exactly 6 head bolts....and you'll need 24

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Damn, didn't know they were that expensive. It's highway robbery. Arp bolts for other makes with the exact same material can be had for a fraction of that.

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Don't think ARP offers head bolts for 996 but their head studs are $1k+ MSRP LoL http://arp-bolts.com/kits/ARPkit-det...?RecordID=1180

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First world problems!!!!

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Someone wake me up when the buy in breaks 6 figures...

If anyone's interested in escrow, I'll hold the cash for as long as I deem necessary. Let's make it $10K and I'll keep a marginal 'good faith' fee. How's 10% sound? -Eric

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ah ok, I got it mixed up but damn, I can't believe head studs are even that much.

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i'm in - you have my word that whenever we find out the outcome, i'd bet $100 that the buyer doesn't recover a dime from court proceedings. you have my word and i'm fairly easy to track down. any chance we can get banned for internet gambling?

I'd be willing to bet that a "nice dinner" is gonna run you more than $100

MickeyDees and no super sizing.

I bet you $100 the KK will not show his face up on Rennlist ever again. If he does, it will be under an different alias.

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I'm tempted to take that bet. I'm shocked we haven't heard from him since this blew up in his face, but the guy is like a cockroach with almost no shame when it comes to his trolling.

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Wouldn't surprise me if he not already back in the Rennlist trenches watchin' our every move. Laughin' his butt off.

I have noticed the last time he was active on RL was 4/29/16. You can still get on here though and be invisible. Also noticed his avatar is gone....the one that said "UNFAIR" with TX plates. Anybody know how to look up people by their plates? I for one would love to give him a call outta the blue.

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Easy to find out, just have our Moderator Marc look up any duplicate IP's based on his original username and see if any other usernames match it. He has verified a couple suspicious characters for me in the past.

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I'd be stunned to see him here again (unless disguised under an alias). I was always OK with his trolling. Lots of times he did it for sport, and many took the bait. Their fault, not his.

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Nah, he ego is too big. He'll be back, though I expect he is under advice of counsel to not come in here and poke the bear right now. Hopefully that translates into him never coming back, but I seriously doubt we've heard the last from him. His trolling of the older and experienced members I had no problem with. It was how he would go into a new person's thread and started slinging his **** in a manner that they have no way to understand was all BS.

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What you talking about Willis? To this day, I'm still terrified of taking a 400+ mile round trip in my car.

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Thanks for the laugh man. Perfect way to end a Friday Now where's my beer?

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Got it, groov. Hey, makes it more interesting for everybody, right? And, yeah, hopefully there are no cops watching our illegal activities.

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Too late, you can't pull a KK and delete your tracks. I've already reported it.

^ Dammit. At least don't taze me, bro!

This is awkward. I have some of the evidence. I bought KK's IMS tool kit about a year ago. He threw in a spare pilot bearing which I am now thinking I should NOT use...

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Right now, KK is trying to figure out how to delete your post. You might want to make sure your life insurance premiums are paid up to date.

i thought i was the only buyer of KK's IMS tool?

I happen to be a recipient of a good deed by KK: he offered some "used" take off parts for FREE and I got an oil filler tube in perfect shape.

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Ah yes, one of the more obvious regular maintenance items. Change that oil filler tube every three months or 30 miles whichever comes first if you're KK.

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Definitely not the same guy.

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Maybe time to consider a username change. Just sayin'.

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One of the greatest RL Coincidences of all time...

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You thinking maybe to KrazyKcattorney?

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FIFY.