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I have row 030 and those are his words after we swapped cars....
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It just makes me laugh to see people who want to drag race me in my 911 and, in the long run, my clutch will last much longer.
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I typically just let people go how ever they want but I will use its power to ensure "pole position" from light to light.
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I am curious to find out what is the trap speed is on C2s and C4s. I have a 99 C4 and also an E46M3.
A couple of days ago, I was coming back from dinner with a couple of extra people on the M3. We encountered a fellow P owner and we played a bit. I thought he would pull on me hard specially after 60mph and considering I had an extra 300-400 lbs of weight than he did (in addition to the weight difference).
To my surprise, all the way to 130 or so I actually gained on him a bit.
What is the trap speeds on C2's? His car seemed to be an 01-02...had some ver nice HRE's and had the factory aero kit on. Very nice blue with a 911 badge on the back and a PSE from what I could tell.
I am by no means saying the M3 is a faster car, but it could be. I am just curious about what the trap speeds are STOCK on our 996's vs. an E46M3...thanks!!
You won't find many here who drag their cars (more concerned with lap times than trap times). However, according to the car mags 3.4's trap from 104-107 and 3.6's trap from 107-112.
Keep it on the track.
I understand that, but I think usually a "trap" speed is a good indicator of what the outcome of a race would be from a roll. This sounds about right since M3's trap about 105-107....seemed to be a fair match against a 3.4....but would probably fall short to a 3.6....if all is regular with the cars/stock form....thanks.
This is something I would like to know to. I've encountered several M3's and I've never outran anyone of them with my ~280 hp. What would happend in every occation is I would pull away with about a cars legnth or maybe a little more but then the M3's would gain and finally when over 200km/h they pass.
Why does it matter? You can take the same car with 10 different drivers and get 10 different trap speeds. Judge you car's performance on it's own with you in the seat and not compared to others. Whether you drag or track, driver experience is what will get your car to perform better. Most drivers can't get a trap speed even close to what the best driver gets.\
It's kinda like horse power. If you can't deliver it to the gound and properly control it, it will not increase your performance.
It is the time it takes you car to get from the starting line to the finish line at 1/4 mile. Many people simply think that the only skill that is needed is to simply floor the car and hang on.
I intend on drag racing the snot out of mine once I get a manual.
I like to brag about spankin' V8's.
The 911 is optimal for drag racing, 64% of the weight is on the rear wheels unlike front engined cars that are more like 40-45% on the rear.
Show me an E46 M3 review with a 112 mph trap speed. How about a 0-100 time that beats 10.1 secs?
The M3 is very quick off the line, but the 996 has the advantage as speeds rise.
muahaha.....
Yes and no. The weight distribution is good. However the 996 suffers from pretty bad axle tramp off the line.
The 997 gets off the line much better than the 996. The e46 M3 also launches a little better than the 996.
Yes, most IRS cars suffer from this at the track. It seems the better the car handles, the worse the problem exist.
The E46 has a 4.23 first gear vs. the 3.80 of the 996, has a lot to do with the better launch. Both diff gears are close to the same ratio.
The last thing to consider is that most drag racers prefer automatics. It gives them a lot more consistency on the launch.
A stock 996 is a pretty underpowered drag car. Now the track (road course), that's a different story.
I have no idea what my trap speed is, but my X51-equipped '04 is considerably faster - off the line, at highway speeds, and in every other way - than my previous car, an '04 E46 M3. Not really close (more power & torque and 400-500 pounds lighter).
The cars are probably pretty close with the standard 3.6, though.
I humbly submit you'd better never come up against a MB E55 (V8) else the spakin' will be for you...
Seriously, I think it's more fun when I know someone wants to race at a light to rev the motor up really loudly and then when the green hits, don't move for about 3 seconds and then creep away from the light as sloooooow as possible. It just makes me laugh to see people who want to drag race me in my 911 and, in the long run, my clutch will last much longer.
yea i rarely if ever drag race, but would gladly romp from a roll or a hwy dig from 3rd given that i feel the other dude is in control of his ego and ride.
the only time i've "raced" my car is against a lightly modified E39 M5. it was even steven up to 110mph or so from say 65mph.
True, I am talking of Muscle cars, they have to much torque with little traction. I kill them all the time in first gear, then I let off because I know what will happen afterwards.
Ben - I kill E46's in first gear all the time, they dont have a chance unless they have work done and good sticky tires. I get a half a car length everytime or worse.
The tiptronic is killer, it robs just enough torque to not break the tires free, that is my advantage. I stall the converter to 1200 RPM, then release the brakes and I am gone until the lowly second engages then I let off. The race is over and I won, really pisses off the M's.
The E55 is my other ride (!#$!@# couldn't fit the kids in the back seat of the 996...). It is fun and quite the sleeper. I've often been tempted to take the numeric as well as the "AMG" badging off of it to make it even more of a sleeper... I typically just let people go how ever they want but I will use its power to ensure "pole position" from light to light.
By the way, I'm glad you took my comment in the spirit it was intended. Too many folks succumb to the "Mine is faster than yours!" ego trip.
I bet you your pinks I will out drive your car on a dragstrip in your own car, any day! I will show you how to drive a manual, brah, dont let the fact I have a Tip fool you.
BTW, my car is C2.
Can we then do a push-ups competition? You can do them on your knees.
And then whoever loses will fly us to Overland Park, KS where tailwag will treat us both to some Jack's BBQ (you can keep your narrowbody automatic).
that's totally true... I have a 99 C2 with GIAC/PSE/K&N Panel filter... my buddy has 06 M3 with Dinan chip & exhaust & intake... he's @ 360HP.... on the back strait away at Mosport speedway I really pull on him... no comparison... even with a passenger I pull on him... I hit about 225 km/h (140mph) on the top of the strait... he's about
15-20
car lengths behind me... easily walk him... difference is more pronounced in 4th gear
I think the M3 benefits from good actually GREAT gearing in 1,2,3 but 4,5,6 its game over... and handling well.. it's not even close and he has the ZCP edition... with CSL suspension.... I have row 030 and those are his words after we swapped cars....
M3 is a great daily driver though!! great car to drive @ 8/10ths that is for sure...
WHAHAHAHHAHAHAHAH cough more a testament to your buddy sucking than car v. car comparo. and since when did a chip/exhaust/intake get the M3 S54 27HP+? WHAHHAHA next
Ben - you bring my Mother into this and now Petes friend, class act.
If you get beat by an M3 with a 3.6 C4S, that is speaking volumes of how you drive. You car has the traction and the motor to do the damage to the M off the line.
what sucks is your unrealistic depiction of the straight line speeds of two cars by bringing multiple variables to the table that greatly impact outcome . 15-20 car lengths eh? WHAHAHA pls
it's complete internet BS, car forum diatribe.
but BEN... that's what we are comparing... two different cars.... different variables all over the place.... 15 car lengths no problem.... he does look pretty small in my rear view by the end of the strait that's for sure... remember your going from 40-140 mph.. on an upward sloping hill.... no BS here buddy.... get on the race track and race... have you ever even BEEN on a track CHOI?
Pete...I'm not trying to take sides here at all...but are you sure there's not a gap in talent with the drivers between the two cars.
I have a 3.4L 996 AND an '02 M3...both similarly modifieid and besides the fact that I've only got 1.5 year of seat time in the 996 vs. about 3 in the M3 and there still might be a bit more time to get from the 996...the difference at Mid Ohio in my lap times between the two is ~1 second a lap.
I've also done my fair share of freeway pulls with myself and my brother driving both of my cars and can tell you that there is very little in it doing a 40-120 pull on the freeway.
I have no numbers on the 996...but MY M3 puts 282 to the wheels (dynojet) and traps 106-107mph.
Andy
Nah, but if I wanted to go, I'd have to pay out of pocket to track my car JUST LIKE YOU.
Now if you actually had the talent to put bread on the table doing what you do because private $, corporations are paying you to win for them, much respect. Else, you're just another hobbyist looking for a recogition nut in a world that just doesn't care.
C'mon, Ben, if there's one thing I've learned in my short time here, it's that you're NOTHING if you don't kick it to the track at least twice a week. Maybe THAT'S what separates the real Porsches from the fake ones...
The other thing I love is when $RANDOM_POSTER mentions anything about driving two MPH over the limit and the cool kids start in about how many chillllll-drunnnn could have been killed by such irresponsibility. To hear most people talk, they've got their cruise control set at 55 and their grandmother is riding shotgun Monday-Friday, then it's 170+ at the 'Ring all weekend.
Don't need to run, Ben - I drove them back-to-back, and the differences are as clear as day. Even my GF could feel it from the passenger seat. I had 2 years of seat time in the M3 and 2+ years in the 996, so I'm intimately familiar with their capabilities.
The 997S would be a good run, I bet - a bit heavier than the 996, I think, but 10 extra HP...should be a driver's race.
