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Had my SSK installed, 30,000mile service and an idler pulley replaced by them and everything is fine.
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$102.50 is cheap on Porsche repair.Tech gets only fraction of that.
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I'm always amazed that as an armchair mechanic with limited tools I can often easily beat the book time even though I've never done a similar repair before.
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The training they have to provide to there empoyees and all other expenses involved with running sucessful dealerships/repair shops are reflection of the price we pay for repair in those facilities.
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8 hours for clutch, 4 hours for 60,000 maintenance without changing the oil or filters just an inspection and spark plug change, 7 hours to change the coolant tank and I was quoted 12 hours to install the ROW M030 suspension package; it took me about 15 hours by myself and I don�t have a lift or years of experience.
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I'm always amazed that as an armchair mechanic with limited tools I can often easily beat the book time even though I've never done a similar repair before.
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The training they have to provide to there empoyees and all other expenses involved with running sucessful dealerships/repair shops are reflection of the price we pay for repair in those facilities.
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8 hours for clutch, 4 hours for 60,000 maintenance without changing the oil or filters just an inspection and spark plug change, 7 hours to change the coolant tank and I was quoted 12 hours to install the ROW M030 suspension package; it took me about 15 hours by myself and I don�t have a lift or years of experience.
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8 hours for clutch, 4 hours for 60,000 maintenance without changing the oil or filters just an inspection and spark plug change, 7 hours to change the coolant tank and I was quoted 12 hours to install the ROW M030 suspension package; it took me about 15 hours by myself and I don�t have a lift or years of experience.
Replace oil or filters just an inspection and spark plug
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8 hours for clutch, 4 hours for 60,000 maintenance without changing the oil or filters just an inspection and spark plug change, 7 hours to change the coolant tank and I was quoted 12 hours to install the ROW M030 suspension package; it took me about 15 hours by myself and I don�t have a lift or years of experience.
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The training they have to provide to there empoyees and all other expenses involved with running sucessful dealerships/repair shops are reflection of the price we pay for repair in those facilities.
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I�m just wondering what labor rate your shop charges? The Porsche dealer in Mobile, AL charges $102.50 per hour. On top of what I think is a high hourly rate the amount of hours for the services performed seems excessive i.e. 8 hours for clutch, 4 hours for 60,000 maintenance without changing the oil or filters just an inspection and spark plug change, 7 hours to change the coolant tank and I was quoted 12 hours to install the ROW M030 suspension package; it took me about 15 hours by myself and I don�t have a lift or years of experience.
Lee
Yes so, good for you that you did it in 15hrs. Techs in dealerships get pay most of the time flat rate. What that means they get only pay from what they do. $102.50 is cheap on Porsche repair.Tech gets only fraction of that. I never see anyone complaining that doctor visit was expensive and they only spent 5minutes with them and they have done it for years too- our bodies don't change they have been same for thousands of years, but our insurance and visits in doctors offices get more and more expensive. Fact is every year new model comes out it is more complex to repair and diagnose than previous one. The equipment shops have to buy on yearly basis. The training they have to provide to there empoyees and all other expenses involved with running sucessful dealerships/repair shops are reflection of the price we pay for repair in those facilities. So $102.50 per hr is a deal.
Here in San Antonio, one of the lowest cost of living cities in the nation:
$118.
Thank goodness I have mechanical abilities..........
or I would be
everytime my car would give me fits.......
I live in San Antonio also and the dealer charges $140. My Indie only charges $75/hour (no, they haven't screwed up my car). Had my SSK installed, 30,000mile service and an idler pulley replaced by them and everything is fine.
The Porsche center has it posted behind the service advisor, hmmm. Saw it last time I went in to buy a window regulator. Maybe you could refute the charges?
I'm just saying I thought it was $140. They haven't done any work on my car except an oil change when I first moved here. The Indie does all of my work.
quick reminder:
many dealer or indy honer 10% discount for PCA members. so in NJ, 100-10 = 90/hour.
BTW, toyota dealership is $105, a indy shop down the block is $87.5.
Beverly Hills Porsche is $145 and they will always insist that you need new brakes (I got 11 track days out of a set after they told me that). My indy is $110 but good, others can be had for $90 or so.
Stevens Creek Porsche is sort of similar. Every time I go there, I need new brakes, tires, throw-out bearings, control arms, mud flaps, and more. Usually they quote me about $2000 for every visit.
There's a reason we call then $tealers and try to take our cars to non-porsche mechanics. I swear that they just pull these things out of their nether regions.
Come to find out, word on the street is that porsche pays the stealership a whole lot less for warranty work, so they have to get money from their customers somehow. And since all of he newer porsches have had a warranty issue sometime or another, they are just trying to keep in business by making people think they need brakes or other wear and tear items.
I mean, how many 40 year old women with 2 kids with them are going to deny brakes when they feel their life could be in danger with what they have?
Loren at RennTech.org says �Porsche POSES say 3.8 hours for a clutch replacement. I asked the Service Manager who quoted me 8 hours about this and he tapped danced around the subject saying something about for warranty work Porsche tells them how long it should and pays based on that figure even if it takes longer. Check out this ling about clutch replacement. Some claim that an experienced Tech should complete the job in two hours.
http://www.renntech.org/forums/index...4606&hl=clutch
Think of the time POSES lists the equivalent of buying something at cost (by the way POSES is obsolete now). Thats what Porsche will pay the dealer if that job is done under warranty. 8 hours for a clutch is is like buying something at retail price. You wouldn't walk into Best Buy and expect to buy a TV at the exact same price as Sony sold it to them would you? Its called turning a profit and its something all businesses try and do.
Not that I'm a big fan of getting repairs done by the $tealer but sometimes the indies develop the same moneygrubbing attitude. I recently called around for allignment quotes and one indy quoted $313, then next indy $282 and the Porsche dealer $150.
I agree profits are need to keep the capitalist system purring along but, if Porsche is charged cost for warranty repairs I�m sure they wouldn�t to be charged $102.50 per hour, probably closer to $50. So for so common repairs they not only mark up the labor rate (as they should) they double and then some the time it should take.
Thats a good point, but I don't believe the mark up on the labor rate is as much as you think. I have some connections at the dealer so Ill ask about this next time I'm there.
As is sort of pointed out by other posts here, the labor rate is less important than the time charged. It's irrelevant whether the labor rate is $125 or $175 per hour if the dealer charges you for 5 hours of time for a 2 hour job.
When doing warranty work, the dealer has to use the Porsche time books; when doing non-warranty work, they can use whatever book they want, and of course they usually use the most advantageous book they can. Even the Porsche times are usually pretty generous for a slightly experienced mechanic. I'm always amazed that as an armchair mechanic with limited tools I can often easily beat the book time even though I've never done a similar repair before.
I only wish I could charge book time in my business--I'd love to do a job in half an hour, with a book value of 4 hours--so you'd still be paying me when I'm three jobs down the road!
Ok, I am confused
Anywhere on the net I can get a "book" that shows how much time it should take for a repair?
Also, if I am quoted $100 an hour to repair something that takes 2 hours to repair, how on earth can they charge me $500?
Up here AutoHaus charges $130/hr, less 15% for PCA members. They've only done work for me once, fixing my electrical problem. They took 4.5 hrs and charged me for 3 cuz they were stumped when they figure they shouldn't have been. I know of an indie that charges $90/hour.
These are in CDN $, not that it makes much diff as the market closed at over 98 cents USD today.
I guess my question is if a shop states its hourly rate is $125 an hour and it takes 2 hours to repair something, how can that shop charge you for 5 hours?
You are charged " book time". Good tech can cut it (book time) by good amount, but standard of the industry is book time and that is what they charge.
Look at it this way: you're paying a set price for delivery of the baby in hospital
providing there are no complications. At that point it does not matter if it takes
one or five hrs for delivery hospital still collects the same amout. It is the same principle in automotive business.
My friend who is a tech at a Chevrolet dealership told me this too. He could get paid more than 8 hrs a day without working over that time by getting the job done faster than "book".
[QUOTE=pologuy;4593194]So what is it when the book time is 8 hours and they charge you for 16....
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Guess they have seen you coming
What about if the book time is 8 hrs and takes them 16 to do it. And u still paid for only 8 hrs.
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Consider yourself lucky - here, in England it is 110 British pounds per hour at the dealer and half that at independent! At least the dealer gives 10% discount to Porsche Club GB members. Haven't looked recently but figure UK Pound1 = US$1.8. Adding up recent repairs it would have been cheaper to ship the car back to the States! Correction: todays bank rate is: UK1 Pound = US$2.148!!! The hours are never mentioned, but that is undoubtedly how they come up with estimates... and I have the feeling that if it takes longer you just pay more!
