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YOUR RESEARCHQuest to 996
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Was listed at $25,000 at a fancy used car dealer, and sold after 3 months.
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But it's just a value question - clean Mk1 cars seem easier to find for relatively inexpensive compared to Mk2 and give you very nearly the same driving experience, plus the whole dual row vs single row stuff.
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40AE is probably the most desirable of the naturally aspirated cars from the factory.
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But it's just a value question - clean Mk1 cars seem easier to find for relatively inexpensive compared to Mk2 and give you very nearly the same driving experience, plus the whole dual row vs single row stuff.
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I'm assuming they were swaps but does anyone now if the change from amber to smoked indicators was at the 2000MY point or when?
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If you are thinking of changing the IMSB then I would go all the way and get the Permanent (Lifetime) Solution.
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Clean mk1 cars seem easier
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But it's just a value question - clean Mk1 cars seem easier to find for relatively inexpensive compared to Mk2 and give you very nearly the same driving experience, plus the whole dual row vs single row stuff.
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The aero kits never really worked for me asthetically until you guys started pointing them out.
Hi guys, been lurking for a while. Figured I'd make an intro and start a thread for my quest to the 996.
I loved long hoods since I was 10 in 1995. Peeling back the cover on my uncles 73.5 911T and loving the sugar scoops is my first memory of the love. Of course this love was sparked my dad's 356. But 911s were king. The sound, light feel, and shape. I still cannot deny it.
A 914/4 was my first car, still in the family.
Having been able to drive that 73.5 a lot, a 911E once, 1965 911, 911SCs a couple times, and the 996, I'm certain on my favorites.
Figuring I'd be older, making money and grounded, a long hood project would happen later and I kept surfing and partying in my 20s. Took up motorcycles as a low cost alternative too. Low and behold when I was ready, my favorite, 72 911S, would cost more than a new 911 off the lot in 2014. Even 911SCs just seem too expensive for me at the moment. Same for 964s. Big IVs, 916-6 conversions. Many ideas!
Growing up the car on my wall was a silver 996TT poster. That car never lost its luster. Still looking the business.
Here I am, realizing my budget is better placed in with turn key fun car. Not a TT but a C2. Time to get in the game! Why not a car with a better power/weight ratio than any AC Carrera, SC, or S? One to drive without worry.
3 years of sleepless nights learning about euro/US, 964s, Carreras, G50, 2.7s, angles to get in my budget and mostly just searching for deals... its time to get in the game. And with a fantastic car with DOHC, Vario Ram, wide tires, ready to rip!
I'm on the hunt, slow and deliberate.
Excited and focused on coupes for 2 model/year:
1999 C2 coupe. Less than 10 pounds per HP. Around $20,000. Double Row IMS. Perfect for the budget. Confident I can find a good one with decent miles.
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2004 40th Anniversary. Why did I have to learn about this one? Thanks Rennlist!!!! What a rad car! Better power/weight ratio than a 997.1S! X51!!!! 4ea for sale close enough but all at $35,000 and sitting there. 35 is out of the question for me. $30,000 is pushing it but possible.
The slow search is on.
Thanks for reading if you got this far and thanks for all the info posted here that I learned!
Ok no more non-996 from me in the 996 forum.
Maybe this post will make the "this week" kook thread!
Feel free to express thoughts, encouragement, love, distaste, etc about anything mentioned above!!!
Welcome Bonzer. Good luck with the search. The 996 is awesome and well worth the search.
I had several bikes before my 1st Porsche as well. Having fun on my GS1000...
Beautiful bike! Also, signal Orange is a great color for 914s. A 996 will be a great addition to your collection. I have a couple of 914s. Really fun cars, but not the greatest as daily drivers. I also have an old bike, 1986. Fun stuff!. You will find lots of cars in your budget.
Thanks guys for the welcoming and for the photos! 914s are awesome especially as a Six. I drool over plenty I see at Aase motors. The 914 is till I'm the fam. 996 = bang for the buck!!!!
Thanks again all!
Welcome to the 996 jungle my friend. Warning... we're a bunch of crazies around here and there's more banter than Billy Bush can yank out of us. hahaha!
Let us know how your search is going and post pictures when you can. Love to hear your story along the way.
Cheerios!
Loving the RD350. I had a worked over 1981 RD350 but it paid for a wedding ring... not to worry turns out it was a great investment, my darling wife gave me a 996!
Happy hunting
Yeah, if you can, get a Mk I aerokit car. I think those are somewhat special cars that will be sought after in the future. I wish I had held on to mine, especially given the paltry sum that I sold it for. It is still my all-time favorite car (at least until the 996tt comes out of the shop tomorrow with new wastegate actuators and boost hoses). I almost sold our 951 last month unsolicited to another PCA member, but my son talked me out of it. I'm already glad he did.
There are a good selection of 99s on the Los Angeles craigslist. Not all are good examples but it also depends on how you want to spend your budget. I'm assuming you want a manual trans. Find a good car at $15k to $16k and be able to drop $5k into it and deal with a lot of deferred maintanence plus have money in the bank for any future issues. And there are some cars in the area at the 19 to 22k price as well. Will you be doing your own work on the car? If not, maybe search for the shop you want to work with before you find a car. Then you'll be ready to have a PPI done the moment you find a car you can be serious about.
If you are comfortable staying with the original IMS then I would only focus on the 99 model year. If you are thinking of changing the IMSB then I would go all the way and get the Permanent (Lifetime) Solution. I believe Tony Callas at RennSport in Hawthore is the only certified shop is this area to do this work.
Good luck...and stay on your budget.
This is the post I was waiting for.
I must say, with some amount of bias, that I love my 99 and already semi-regret putting it on the market (but I want an open-roof.)
Water cooled to water cooled. I dig it! Nice of the lady..... and investment
! I'm lucky to have the go ahead from my bride, even with a 1 year old boy in the mix!
Loving the 99 MK1 opinions from everyone. I think I'm down for the stock double row IMS. And I don't see the extra $5000 - $10,000 being worth the Mk2 in my eyes. Give me the amber turn signals!!!!!!!!!!!
I looked at a 99 with 30,000 miles yesterday. Was listed at $25,000 at a fancy used car dealer, and sold after 3 months. I'm assuming sold for less. It was perfect condition wise. Figured that's the top of the 99 C2 coupes.
I'm mechanically inclined, not a super whiz, have access to a lift. Figured I can do quite a bit on my own. Maybe tackle something like the oil separator if needed. Got Aase motors (more air cooled but they rock) for something serious and will have to meet some other shops. Maybe BBI in Huntington Beach?
. . .really loving the
40th anniversary car
. Haven't heard any justification for that one versus a 99. Just love from you guys on the first year. Going with the 99 leaves me room for maintenance and tires. Seems like a smarter choice.
Thanks for all the comments. RDs, Daytona, MK2, . . .everything! Loving the encouragement!
40AE is probably the most desirable of the naturally aspirated cars from the factory. 3.6L + powerkit, RWD, numbered (1963 total), special paint/wheels. But the well-sorted ones are priced like the limited edition it is.
I personally love the C4S as well - the widebody, no spoiler look is just awesome. But it's just a value question - clean Mk1 cars seem easier to find for relatively inexpensive compared to Mk2 and give you very nearly the same driving experience, plus the whole dual row vs single row stuff.
Welcome and good luck on your search from a fellow bike/surf/car gearhead on the other side of the country.
Beautiful RD350! I love the 2-stoke yamahas.
Here is a photo of my current bike project:
Update: Got my car back today. New 1.0 bar wastegate actuators and lower boost hoses. Per my prediction, the '99 Aerokit C4 coupe is no longer my favorite all-time car I've owned. But it's a close second.
Good luck with your search. Remember that the hunt is half the fun. Be patient and the right car will come along. If you spend the spring & summer getting to know the market, then come Labor Day, you will immediately recognize a good deal when you see one. After Labor Day, prices will drop. Right now, we are entering the prime selling time - Spring Fever makes it a seller's market and inventory won't sit around long. If you do see the right car at a reasonable price, be prepared to move on it quickly. And OBTW, based on a couple of threads in recent months, if you take a car in for a PPI, either don't tell them what you are paying for it or lie and add a few thousand dollars on to the price you say you are paying for it.
Sounds like a plan! And I'm with you on the cost and savings for maintenance plan.
It's nice looking for these 911s in comparison to others. I have time and no rushing to pick something out using mind set that the early guys look for: history and originality. There's a nice 99 on CL, red/grey with 44k for 19-20k. This would be a good example if was good with the red/gray. I can be picky! Going to avoid red if I can however and get a black interior for better matching seat upgrades.
I see a lot of advertised 99s with smoked indicators, no pumpkins as you guys say.
I'm assuming they were swaps but does anyone now if the change from amber to smoked indicators was at the 2000MY point or when?
(I care for the reason of the less fudged with on the car externally, hopefully y the same internally.)
Radical! Theoretically I love the Ducs but never rode one. Considered the Monster 796 but went with the Triumph Street Triple S in the photo instead. What a fun easy and fast scoot that one is! Probably safer that I sold that thing!
No Doubt!
I'll probably stick to local cars. California car is always a plus because of weather. I'm not sure sales here is as season oriented either but what do i know.
Thanks a bunch and enjoy that 996TT "waaaaaaa---pssssshhhhhhh"!!!!
I might be mistaken but I believe they came with amber all the way through.
Don't worry about that - it is a very easy DIY that people find more aesthetically pleasing. I wouldn't be concerned that if someone did the switch, the car would be more inclined to be fudged with internally.
I used to ride my own custom design channel and concaved bottoms back in the late 70 & 80's. Loved them.
Today, I ride a bit longer board (crowd busters)
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Hey guys. Been farting around, watching cars on eBay to see what they bid to. Searching sources for cars I find special. Really surprised on the 964s going to $40-$50 for nice 100k mile drivers. Glad I came to grips with my insanity and decided to go water cooled.
Lined up an appointment later this week to see a car I really dig. More later on that.
One thing I've gathered is I don't see many 996s going for the top end of the excellence guide although plenty crappy cars well below. Seems pricing is right in the middle range, actually right where Kelly Blue Book puts them. Even
I find myself liking the MK1 for the price and room for maintenance and mods.
Although, I can't stop looking at the 40th Ann. specs. Idea there is that for my purpose the car is dialed. (40k mile Cars listed at $35,000 not selling......hmmmm )
Either way, they aren't making any more normally aspirated 911s anymore (besides the gt3, 911r and maybe some special edditions). For that, I'm excited to get in the game with a 911 that has a 911 power band!
Kelly blue book and nada are both a joke...nobody ever pays book value on anything (including dealers) so I'm not sure why people quote them all the time
Hey Guys, had a look at a car today...a fantastic car. Pending a PPI and understanding of the only issue I found I'll be moving forward with it. I can't spoil the reveal yet though!
I have a 1999 996 with aero kit and so far it has been the best car I have ever owned. I use it as my daily driver to work and so far I have put 25k miles since ownership. I did change the clutch, RMS and removed the inner seal of the IM Bearing. I suggest you get one with the aero kit because if later you want to add it, it is extremely expensive to purchase a used one, the oem wing itself retails for $2k - $3k used.
That thing is fantastic! One for sale just like it in Florida. Great looking car, in and out. The aero kits never really worked for me asthetically until you guys started pointing them out. And this photo is an example in a radical color!
Working on the deal of a car. . .PPI showed all very high marks. . .hope to post a photo and more info when/if the deal is done, maybe later this week.
We'll I decided that the 40th's are just to good to ignore.
I want to thank you guys for all the encouragement and advice. I definitely have a new love for the MK1 cars especially with the Aero kit.
All things considered you just get a lot of bang for your buck compared to the MK1s and standard MK2s. Plus, it just seems like the the majority of the 40th's are totally babied. . .buying a well maintained car is worth it. . . this being no exception as the PPI reported. Besides reported excellent mechanical condition, it's all original including no resprays, clear bra protecting the front end. I wish I had a measuring stick to compare to a standard 996, but put I it through some twisties with some straight-aways already and this thing is on serious rails. Loving pushing it through the corner exits! What a blast! I am certainly no expert but even with the internet gives easy and tons of info, these 40ths must still be totally underrated.
Looking forward to some drivers ed days and working up to time trials over the net couple years.
Thanks again guys for following this thread and my quest to 996! BAM!
Congrats! It's a lovely looking car. I think 40AE's will end up being the most desirable of the NA 996s down the road. They probably already are, but valuations still seem relatively low/approachable.
I'd consider grabbing a second set of wheels for it, I've heard that the polished 5-spokes are super expensive if they get dinged up or need replacement.
Great choice! I had a 40th ae and sold it a couple years back. Ended up buying a perfectly modded 996tt which I loved but it was not perfect. I really missed my 40th and just sold my turbo and picked up another 40th. Getting the RMS/IMS/AOS/clutch done as we speak..
Congrats on your purchase and agree the 40th is one very special car. I could have bought a 997.1s or .2s and after driving a couple they didn't do it for me. Lower weight, less electronics and to me it feels more special. It became and easy choice!
Stunning car - congrats! I have one, too, and adore it. I sent you a message about your car as I'd like to get some details for our Registry car list to get your car added to it. Please check it out when you have time or email me at
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. Ted
Celebrated my old mans birthday with him. He's 63 today with a gulf livery daily driver!
Fun little group with a "Normal", a "S" and a "T".
Thanks for all the encouragement guys. Thought I'd share and keep the quest going, now the quest
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the 996!
Was a fun drive and breakfast before work. The old man was stoked!
