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Maybe he is still suffering from the "bends" after taking his Sub beyond the maximum depth recommended by Porsche!
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You aren't there looking at or test-driving his car.
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after 3 wonderful years with my c4s, I am buying a 997 (I buy a new car every 3 yrs) if anybody is interested, here is the link
http://mall.rennlist.com/login/members/member_ads.htm
for non member:
Category: 911/993/996 Ad Number: 6398
Price: $65,000 Date Posted: 04/26/2007
Features
Year: 2004 Make: Porsche Model: 996
Miles: 14,5000 Engine: Fuel Inj. Stereo: AM-FM/CD
Body Style: Coupe Transmission: Manual - 5 speed
Color: atlas Drivetrain: 4 Wheel Drive
Options (denoted by check marks)
Power Steering Air Conditioning Rear Defroster
Power Brakes Sunroof Leather Seats
Air Bags Cruise Control Foglamps
Antilock Brakes Power Windows Alarm System
Traction Control Power Locks Intermittent Wipers
Description
Atlas/graphite, low miles, never raced or tracked, no accidents, excellent condition, 1 owner, non smoker
Bose, technic, rear wiper, Xenon, front and rear remote hidden K40, front laser diffuser, gembella wheels, full supple leather
Pic on request
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Type of Seller: Private Seller Company:
Contact: Mark Lipton
Chagrin falls, Oh
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Hmmmm, let's see -- '04 C4S, Atlas, 14.5K miles, $65K. As Gant said - good luck with your sale. I seem to recall a couple of posts on C4S pricing. Can you post some pics??
Not trying to offend you...i think its on the high end. I went to a Porsche dealership last weekend, found a 2004 c4s, atlas grey, manual, 25k mi, CPO'ed for $64 out the door, including CA state 7.75% tax and fees...
didnt take the deal bec. it was over my budegt
Welcome to thread 752 relating to pricing a C4S. Gant is the "expert" on pricing wrt to the C4S. In Utopia of course.
Let me know when he comes back down to earth.
What is it about C4S owners that make them think that they can demand prices > market precident?
I'm yet to see a C4S priced in my reality.
...and as Gant realised, a C2S is way more fun.
You will very seldom get much money for mods or options when selling your car - do them for your pleasure, but expect to get little back at selling time.
sell the Gemballa wheels separately, you'll get more money for them.
"What is it about C4S owners that make them think that they can demand prices > market precident?
I'm yet to see a C4S priced in my reality.
...and as Gant realised, a C2S is way more fun'
from KBB:
2004 Porsche 911 Carrera 4S Coupe 2D
Trade-In Value
Excellent
$62,765
Good
$59,780
Fair
$55,6
Why does everyone hassle sellers here now? This is becoming like Pelican. He said price is negotiable. If you aren't in the market, why not keep your opinion to yourself? Jeez.
Now, if someone is in the market looking at C4Ss, and asks everyone's opinion on pricing, that is a different matter altogether. He or she should start their own thread.
Flame me if you want, but it just doesn't seem civil to pile onto a thread started by a fellow MEMBER and criticizing his asking price, particularly when he said price is negotiable. If you are interested, PM him. If not, why get your entertainment at someone else's expense?
Ya you guys, leave the seller the hell alone. When sellings cars, there is nothing wrong with listing it at the hi-end, or even higher than that and negotiatting from there.
Mal is a paying Rennlist member. If you have negative comments about his price, be respectfull and PM him your opinion.
Wish him good luck and let him go throught his selling-process. Don't try and lowball him, or attempt to dictate the price of his car. You aren't there looking at or test-driving his car. You guys need to back off and don't try and junk up his post with needless banter.
Mal, good luck with your sale! See how much action you get with your car listed as it is and lower it in the weeks to come, accordingly. Your price is a good starting-point, any Porsche dealer WILL agree.
Good point. Especially if there is no desire to obtain any serious buyers.
Isn't that what the buying market does? Most people are trying to be realistic and honest and just find friendly humor when a seller lists at emotional value rather than market value. I mean this is a chat board isn't it, correct? Now if this was the FOR SALE fourm I would totally agree with your concurrment of Todd's quick b!tch slap.
Of course, they are a dealer and list at a number that they hope a sucker will pay and then negotiate with everybody else. Nothing wrong though with mal28 (or anybody) listing their car for whatever they want. It just depends if they really want to price it to sell or not. That's all.
As for tone of this thread..........
Nobody is rude. Nobody is flaming the selling. Everybody just chill.
FYI...the "trade-in" numbers quoted by mal28 are really Private Party Numbers. Trade is numbers are about 7K less than that. Which explains why most people are saying that the car is overpriced at 65K and then offering an opinion on a DISCUSSION board. 60K would be a good deal for both buyer and seller. Now flame away at my pricing advice.
I wasn't trying to call anyone in particular out, and it is not just this thread. It seems to be endemic now.
If someone posts a thread about "what would be a fair price" . . . whether as buyer or seller . . . then by all means everyone should give their opinion on price. That would be the point of the thread. Here is a good example of such a thread:
https://rennlist.com/forums/cayenne-[phone removed]-2010/348384-what-do-you-think-it-s-worth.html
If a non-member places a for sale thread, then, by all means call him or her out on that (I will not, but there are enough who will).
When a guy posts something for sale, he is not asking for anyone's opinion on his asking price, particularly when he comes out and says "price is negotiable." Sure this is a BBS board, and everyone can say anything they want, but that doesn't mean they should.
If you are serious about the car and have questions about the car, by all means post them so all other potential buyers can learn. I personally would not . . . I would send a PM.
If you are not serious about the car, they why snipe at the price in the first place? What's the point? I mean, afterall, it helps all of us if prices stay higher, no? Price sniping is sort of like running down your own neighborhood . . . I just do not get the point.
I am not upset, annoyed, and my panties certainly aren't in a wad, I just provided my personal opinion on a trend that I see that I personally do not like.
I may be selling my car soon, and I am pretty sure that I will not be listing it on Rennlist.
Plenty of posted prices make me shake my head, and if a buyer, or seller, asked me, I would be brutally honest . . . so I view that as a totally different issue.
And just to clarify, I honestly wasn't trying to go after you, Dell, or anyone else. I just think that we voluntarily should refrain from price sniping on a pure "for sale" thread. For example, in this thread, the seller didn't ask for anyone's opinion on his listed for sale price, particularly when he clarified that price was negotiable.
P.S. I also was not expressing any opinions on the price of this C4S. Good luck with the sale.
I know Todd. I have the fortunate advantage over most of the guys here to actually have met you and know what kind of guy you are. They might take that personally, however I understand exactly your point.
Most of the back and forth banter (more specifically) with respect to pricing a C4S has been the result of history with Gant and his many threads and discussions about the pricing of his C4S. I really haven't seen this kind of attention to any other cars posted for sale.
So......post away your Targa when you are ready to sell.
C4S owners price their cars high because we are so enamored with them that we cannot fathom the existence of a world that does not hold the car in the same high esteem.
Plus, the cars were $90+ grand new, and who wants to admit that they just pissed away 30 grand in 3 years? I think the car should be priced at $75k.
I agree with the above listings. Don't flame a guy for trying to get top dollar out of his/her car. People can ask anything they want for a product/service. It called supply & demand. The market will let him know where the price should be. Good luck with the sale.
PS. i just bought a 2003 CS4 yesterday with all the options, 11,500 miles for 57K. Primo car.
There's a parallel on another forum where high end photographic gear are bought and sold:
www.fredmiranda.com
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The official policy there is "NO PRICE POLICE!!"
If anyone tries to post followup messages like "Your Canon EF 200/1.8L lens for $5000 is overpriced and it should be $4999" or the likes, that message will be called out by everyone else and the moderator will delete the message.
The problem with price policing was that very frequently a generally fair price will be lowballed by a dozen messages on how the seller should just about give away the equipment and eat the Paypal fees. Turns out those folks are usually not even into buying the gear, but then has ruined the sale.
We don't have a policy like that here, of course, but I think the decorum is just as appropriate: anyone can post his/her price. If you think the price is too high, that's why there are private message or email options of contacting the seller.
I agree. IT GETS OLD, this claimed "banter" with "history." Let the guy post his car for sale and be a gentleman about it, not crap on his thread.
Good luck on the sale mal28.
Choose not to read it then. If you just want to post a for sale ad (or anything for that matter) that you do NOT want input, opinions, etc., on an OPEN DISCUSSION forum then start the thread and post your price, options, etc., along with the request to contact you with any any inquiry, input, opinion, offers, etc., via PM or email (or cell) and close the thread so as not to get input that might not be what you (or others) deem not with their take.
Man, some of you guys are such pansies and only grow a set when somebody comes in and bitch slaps the entire thread with their take on the situation. But to think that you are going to come in here and try to censor any opinion that doesn't mesh with your take (or one that you are piggy-backing) on just ain't gonna fly. If you felt that way from the beginning, then post that from the beginning. Or as I said, choose not to read the thread or add people to your ignore list.
