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YOUR RESEARCHGT3 ruined in an Autocross
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Actually Mike it was the GT3 that went plowing into the crowd.
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But it was the idoit Corvett friend that did the damage.....
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BUT it was the Vette's driver(who is a friend of the GT3 owner) that was driving the GT3 when it wrecked!
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Probably a Michelin Pilot Sport Cup from the thread design
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Every book I've read says it's counter-intuitive, and in a panic situation, your brain can't distinguish which foot to use fast enough, so you need to use your right foot for both braking and gas.
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Every book I've read says it's counter-intuitive, and in a panic situation, your brain can't distinguish which foot to use fast enough, so you need to use your right foot for both braking and gas.
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I'm not sure if this has been posted. But here's a GT3 ruined in an Autocross.
I realy feel sorry for the guy
More pictures in this link.
http://forums.vwvortex.com/zerothread?id=3197431
Feel sorry for that guy as well. I was told by insurance company that they would not cover any damage caused by racing the car in any event. Hopefully this guy has the means to buy another. Do you guys think that this type of damage is repairable?
Guy OK?
Machines can be repaired or scrapped. If you can't afford to wad your car, or worse yet, yourself, you shouldn't be racing. Can happen to the best of us and yes it sucks, been there. I've crashed several times in 8 years of motorcycle roadracing, breaking several motorcycles and several bones in my body. Been hospitalized 3 times as a result of crashing. I paid for all costs out of pocket as health insurance denies coverage for competitive events.
How does one mistake the clutch for the brake? Oh, I know, you drive a Corvette slushbox. Idiot. Oh, and whoever set up that course is another idiot. That was a *total* lack of planning with no consideration given to the course design. Some insurance companies are going to be fighting this one out for quite a while.
Geez, how does that happen at an AutoX? All of the courses I have seen (NNJ region) are set up so no cars come near eachother.
Shame. Which is why I don't race my cars. You never know!
They had the final straight before the turn to pick up your time ticket set up where everyone else stage up/or maybe parked. This CORVETTE owner let his friend drive his car and pressed the clutch instead of the brake pedal when the vette over steered....??
Full story >>>>
http://forums.vwvortex.com/zerothread?id=3197431
Never understood how people could do that. Every book I've read says it's counter-intuitive, and in a panic situation, your brain can't distinguish which foot to use fast enough, so you need to use your right foot for both braking and gas.
I do it all the time, and I find it to be a far superior technique. All you need is to practice a little, and it will be intuitive. In fact, it arguably is much safer. The rally guys can keep their foot right over the brake so they can instantly hit the brakes if necessary. I do this all the time on the streets when I see something/someone/some situation that makes me suspicious that I may need to get on the brakes quickly.
A great place to start learning is with an automatic street car.
That said, LFB is not as effective with street 996s due to e-gas. Specifically, unlike in my race car, you cannot use the brakes and the gas at the same time: the 996 will cut throttle. Moreover, the pedal placement on the stock 996 is not ideal for LFB in my opinion. That could be the reason why the guy in the corvette had the problem: he was in a car that was unfamiliar to him, and he was driving too close to the limit.
The organization's insurance does not cover the cars participating. It's for property damage of the venue (in general). You sign a waiver to damages when you run so, no, the SCCA's insurance will not cover your car or anyone else's.
Pete
Since the insurance company won't cover the GT3, will it cover the other cars damaged or will the owner of the GT3 have to answer to those people also?
Friends don't let friends drive THEIR OWN GT3!
IIRC no cars would be covered under the organizers insurance. Your pretty much on your own. For the case of the cars hit that where parked they may have a better chance at their own insurance to cover it.
Pete
It sounds to me like the POS Corvette intentionally took out the GT3. Damn those Vettes!!!
I hope the friend at least bought the GT3 owner a beer afterwards, and not a domestic beer either.
Actually Mike it was the GT3 that went plowing into the crowd. The GT3 owner let his friend (that owns the vette) drive his GT3.
There are great photos of the a priori and post crash pics from that run that are posted in the thead from that VW forum.
Ooops, sorry guys.. I had it backwards. So it is the GT3 that plowed on everyone's car. BUT it was the Vette's driver(who is a friend of the GT3 owner) that was driving the GT3 when it wrecked!
Which begs the question.......WTF is he thinking letting a Vette guy drive his GT3???
Can somebody say
Undercover Brother
Sorry. Didn't mean to throw it out the window
I just saw this car at Precision in Beaverton. My car is there still being fixed from the DUI hit and run, and the gal there showed me the pictures and the car in their lot. They are repairing it. It took out three other cars as well. It's a great looking GT3, feel bad for the guy.
is his insurance going to cover repairs to his GT3 in a timed event? I'm sure the underwriters have some language in there forbidding coverage in competitions.
with the exception of stadium lots, I think most curbed lots are too small for autocross...well at least the ones I've seen.
The brake, clutch, and gas are totally in different spacing locations in the Vet from the GT3. The guy obviously didn't follow the rule of taking it slow till you learn the new layout!!! It isn't enough to be good in your own car, when you drive someone else's. (I've made my own mistakes, but at least they were with my car). Wow!!! I imagine he feels bad enough without me pointing this out.
I asked the person at the body shop I know about coverage and this is the response:
THE INSURANCE IS PAYING FOR THE REPAIR ON THE RED GT3.
MOST REGULAR INS. POLICIES DON'T COVER DAMAGE RESULTING FROM RACING ON THE STREET OR A TRACK, HOWEVER YOU CAN BUY SPECIAL COVERAGE FOR RACING WHICH MOST OF THESE GUYS THAT RACE HIGH DOLLAR CARS HAVE.
I HAVE ALSO HEARD SOME DEBATE THAT PIR IS CITY OWNED THEREFORE PUBLIC PROPERTY AND MOST POLICIES SPECIFY THAT DAMAGE ON PUBLIC PROPERTY IS COVERED, SO THERE MAY BE SOME GRAY AREA.
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