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YOUR RESEARCHIs the RMS problem a thing of the past?

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7th generation seal

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The dealer said it was the 7th generation seal!!

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Check they will be

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I'll call them back to check they will be using the new seal, before I go off warranty at 100k some time in 2007.

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definately a thing of the past

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The new style seal will fail without a doubt, any seal will, but it being a problem issue is definately a thing of the past.

Is the RMS problem a thing of the past?

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I got a 997-101-212-00 installed a month ago.

Is the RMS problem a thing of the past?

Replace from a 997s perspective: yeah, as long as yours

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From a 997S perspective: Yeah, as long as yours has been replaced.

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Replace under warranty 2 weeks ago

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Had my RMS changed under warranty 2 weeks ago with the latest and greatest seal.

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Check they will be

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I'll call them back to check they will be using the new seal, before I go off warranty at 100k some time in 2007.

Is the RMS problem a thing of the past?

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I got a 997-101-212-00 installed a month ago.

Is the RMS problem a thing of the past?

Replace about 15 months ago

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I had mine replace about 15 months ago with no leaks, the warranty is 24 months so it should leak in about another 9 or so months, ha ha.

Is the RMS problem a thing of the past?

Replace from a 997s perspective: yeah, as long as yours

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From a 997S perspective: Yeah, as long as yours has been replaced.

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Replace under warranty 2 weeks ago

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Had my RMS changed under warranty 2 weeks ago with the latest and greatest seal.

Is the RMS problem a thing of the past?

Use car purchase date is irrelevant

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Used car purchase date is irrelevant.

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Use seal

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I'll call them back to check they will be using the new seal, before I go off warranty at 100k some time in 2007.

Is the RMS problem a thing of the past?

Use these

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The service manager said that he hasn't seen one come back since they start using these.

Is the RMS problem a thing of the past?
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7th generation seal

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The dealer said it was the 7th generation seal!!

Is the RMS problem a thing of the past?

definately a thing of the past

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The new style seal will fail without a doubt, any seal will, but it being a problem issue is definately a thing of the past.

Is the RMS problem a thing of the past?
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POST 1 / ORIGINAL POSTEROriginal post

I have noticed in the last year a remarkable decline in the complaint posts about the leaking RMS issue on 996s. Could it be that the last revision of the seal is really working, and RMS leaks is a thing of the past? I got the new seal over a year and a half ago, and have not had a drip since. What is the consensus?

POST 2Original post

I hope so. Had my RMS changed under warranty 2 weeks ago with the latest and greatest seal. The service manager said that he hasn't seen one come back since they start using these. What is your dealer saying?

POST 3Original post

I have still seen a few leaks with the new seal, but really in the last year I have only seen maybe 2-3 of the new style seals leaking, THat says alot becasue we see a lot of cars come though the shop

POST 5Original post

I have an 01 C2 with 65.000 miles. I have no leaks and have never had any. Is it just a matter of time before my RMS starts leaking and has to be replaced ? If so, should I have it replaced if I have any other engine work done, as a precaution? (I am out of warranty).

POST 6Original post

My guess would be NO! However outside of our Porsches never being 100% potty trained it is really, fo me, not that big of a deal. I had mine replace about 15 months ago with no leaks, the warranty is 24 months so it should leak in about another 9 or so months, ha ha.

POST 7Original post

Typically, if you do a clutch all you need do is pull the flywheel and you are there. If done carefully, it is a pretty risk free procedure, at least on the older engines I have worked on. On the other hand, maybe let the sleeping dog lie.

POST 8Original post

From a 997S perspective: Yeah, as long as yours has been replaced.

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what's the part# of the latest and greatest seal?

POST 10Original post

No, the rms issue has not been completely resolved. Some 997 owners have had the problem.

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The latest and greatest seal from the 997 is part # 997-101-212-0

POST 12Original post

I would say yes. I've never actually seen a new style seal leak. Yes the new part number is a 997 number and there have been 997s with leaks but the early 997s were shipped with the old seal so its no surprise at all there were 997s with leaks. The new style seal will fail without a doubt, any seal will, but it being a problem issue is definately a thing of the past.

POST 13Original post

I got a 997-101-212-00 installed a month ago. The dealer said it was the 7th generation seal!! I hope it's a good one I go off CPO in 12 days.

POST 14Original post

These threads wear me out. Been driving Porsches for 20 years and have put RMS in all of them. This is nothing new guys Pay for one in a 928...drop the entire rear end and transmission...remove the torque tube..do the RMS and reassemble and align the car. Much more painful than a 996. P cars leak fluids Get a warranty, handle it or get something else. I own 2 Japenese cars for this reason. Since Dell is not around today I just thought I would take his place Merry Christmas everyone

POST 15Original post

Porsche does not put oil in the engines anymore....

POST 17Original post

"Porsche does not put oil in the engines anymore...." I heard that...so I quit putting oil in mine.

POST 18Original post

I had the RMS fix in the summer of 2005 and haven't had the problem since.

POST 19Original post

I had a new RMS under CPO at 50k in April. Just took it in for the 75k service, and they tell me it needs another RMS... I'll call them back to check they will be using the new seal, before I go off warranty at 100k some time in 2007.

POST 20Original post

Fello car nutz, Shopping for a 996-2 Tip Cab (roomier vs. coupe). What is the greatest duration & highest mileage covered by CPO limited warranty? Are Tips more, less, or about equally prone to RMS leak? Thanks all, & happy new year! Jimbo

POST 21Original post

I see less tips with rms leaks, but ive never run the numbers, it could just be due to seeing less tiptronic cars in general. But i think that not having the input shaft pushing on the the crank reduces the the rms leaks

POST 22Original post

IIRC, CPO covers up to 100,000 miles total, or two years after you purchase the car.

POST 23Original post

I believe CPO covers the car for two additional years after the original warranty expires, up to 100K miles. Used car purchase date is irrelevant. Michael

POST 24Original post

Looks like we're both right. From the Porsche USA website: - If sold while under the new car warranty, Coverage is up to 6 years or 100,000m/160,000km total , whichever comes first - If sold once the new vehicle warranty has expired, Coverage is 2 years from the date of sale or up to 100,000m/160,000km, whichever comes first

POST 25Original post

<user="Noob", question="Potentially Obvious"> What does RMS stand for? </user> I have searched the forums for 'RMS', and understand that leaks on numerous people's cars, but cannot find what RMS actually refers to.

POST 26Original post

Rear Main Seal - also known as the crank seal.

POST 27Original post

maybe people aren't complaining about it much because it is nothing catastrophic nor expensive to replace and that it really only is a LEAK.

POST 28Original post

There is a saying about Triumph motorcycles that comes to mind. "If it's not leaking oil, then it's out of oil."

POST 29Original post

Like Harleys - they don't leak - they just "mark their turf"

POST 31Original post

It's great for vehicles to have "character," but leaking oil should not be considered an attractive flaw...especially when mechanical parts are thrown in the mix. That being said, it seems Porsche has had some success in fixing the problem in the 997.

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