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YOUR RESEARCHWOW, 996 GT3 Cup car just sold for $31,250
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I think the other "secret" in my case is that I installed a 3 qt.
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5 years later, I just ran the car in 103F heat for three days on the TMS roval and it didn't skip a single beat.
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I set a 1:23.5 on a 97F July day in 2014 on pretty worn out BFG R1 tires before the track was repaved.
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Again, I think that has to do with the fact that racers are constantly changing the oil in their cars.
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Porsche Cup Cars change owners on a bill of sale the important document on these cars is the car’s Wagenpass German for log book hopefully new owner got one with this car they often get lost over the years, no way to get these street legal as far as I know as there are no titles issued.
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Porsche Cup Cars change owners on a bill of sale the important document on these cars is the car’s Wagenpass German for log book hopefully new owner got one with this car they often get lost over the years, no way to get these street legal as far as I know as there are no titles issued.
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Wow, I'm kicking myself for not bidding.
I've been working 16 hours days since last Thursday and just saw the e-mail notice about the 996 GT3 Cup car sale price.
Just unbelievable!
https://bringatrailer.com/listing/20...ng_ending_soon
I don't know anything about that particular car, but you wouldn't want to buy a Cup car with a tired engine and transmission. A friend of mine bought one and has spent $100k NZD (about $63k USD) so far getting it up to scratch.
While that seems like (and is) a nice deal, it�s really only the price of admission! Racing is expensive! I wouldn�t be surprised if you spent twice that in the first year or two if you decided to actually race it...
Great deal! Most out there are 996.2 Cups and I see those around $60-70K currently...this being a 996.1 Cup. Would be a cheap DE car at $31K considering the setup costs of a regular 6-GT3. That said operating costs can be high on these. Especially if running it hard/racing. Less costly to use it as a fun DE car.
Wow... that's the genuine article. Although this car has seen some serious track time, the winning buyer just got the deal of the century. Did you see where the owner paid $35,000 for the replacement 997 GT3 cup engine in 2013? I would have advised the seller to have held on to the car a little longer. Most people are dumping cars because its the end of the season. Lack of demand from buyers with deep pockets.
Not this car but a similar one,
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Seems like a lot of car for DE, unless you are in the very advanced groups you would be stuck behind poeple all the time? 2.20 at COTA is pretty fast (maybe run street tires to slow you down
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Amazing car, wish I had it
The smart question to ask is how many hours on the motor and transaxle. As other posters have pointed out that price is just the cost of admission. A full rebuild on the motor will easily cost as much as the selling price. Add another ~$15k for a transaxle rebuild. Cup cars of any generation are expensive to run.
Just for point of reference, my 1999 3.4L 996 in SP996 trim on BFG R1 tires can turn a 2.27 at COTA on the same track config. On full slicks it would maybe be down in the 2.25s. A track prepped 996 C2 is good bang for the buck.
that is very impressive, 20 year old car with 300hp. Even at Harris Hill there was some fast SP996 lap times.
What is your take on these engine and tracking? Do you and your SP996 buddies rebuild engines often?
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Porsche Cup Cars change owners on a bill of sale the important document on these cars is the car’s Wagenpass German for log book hopefully new owner got one with this car they often get lost over the years, no way to get these street legal as far as I know as there are no titles issued.
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Hi, Tex,
Tell me, what about this 17 digit VIN number makes it "not valid"?
It seems to me a "race car" like the GT3, that would be modified for street use, would have to meet state requirements for street use (e.g. emissions/cats, mufflers, road tires, horns, working lights, etc.) and has nothing to do with the VIN? I mean, when you go to register this car, are you saying the tag office would have some way of knowing on their computer without inspection? Not trying to be mean and argue.. just curious.
These cars do not have titles to get a first title in most states you need a manufacturers MSO which is not available from PCNA for these Cup Cars.
Rich
It is not easy (to say the least) to make it road legal -- but there is a chance it might be possible with enough effort. Jim Glickenhaus famously converted his ex-Le Mans Ford GT Mark IV and Lola T70 for road use. He was able to register them in New York and drives them on the road fairly often. I would guess that whether or not it was possible would vary from state to state. It probably helps that Jim's cars are from the 60's as some registration requirements loosen up when cars are 25 years or older (which won't be until 2026 for the GT3 in question). Also, safety standards were lax to nonexistent for his 60's-era cars, that might remain a hurdle for the 2001 GT3 (though those issues might also loosen up a bit when it hits 25).
That was my time at Harris Hill Road.
https://www.trackjunkies.org/topic/3...&comment=59789
I set a 1:23.5 on a 97F July day in 2014 on pretty worn out BFG R1 tires before the track was repaved. With softer springs on the car and fresh tires that time could be significantly improved upon. You need reasonable suspension travel and suspension frequencies in the ~1.5Hz range to go quickly at H2R these days. The car was still very new to me back in 2014 and is much better sorted out today.
Re: the M96 motor in the SP996 group, I know of exactly one pre-emptive rebuild and one failure that was repaired and rebuilt at FSI. In my case, I bought the car from a guy that was slowly building it for SP996 while he was DE'ing it. The original engine failed during a track day, I believe at Sebring, and he sold me the roller and trailer lock, stock, and barrel. I sourced a brand new M96 crate motor from Suncoast for $15k and put it in the car in 2014.
My view on the M96: it's not tolerant to being over-revved on downshifts so driving style/abuse has a lot to do with whether or not it's reliable. I think the most important thing for the M96 (like all motors) is to keep it full of fresh oil! I think the other "secret" in my case is that I installed a 3 qt. Accumsump on day 1 and this engine has been pre-oiled nearly every time before it has been started, which has really kept the cold start wear down. Also, add the X51 oil pan/baffle or equivalent.
Keep in mind that a majority of the SP996s have run in Texas in some very challenging heat conditions. 5 years later, I just ran the car in 103F heat for three days on the TMS roval and it didn't skip a single beat. I had the car dynoed before the race and it was actually making 3 HP more than it did in 2014. Will it inevitably pop one day? Probably. And I'll have to make a decision about what to do at that point. But I've seen a lot of SP996s run hard in very challenging conditions and there hasn't been the horror show of failures you would expect based on the M96s reputation. Again, I think that has to do with the fact that racers are constantly changing the oil in their cars.
If I was looking for a 996 street car I would be looking for one that had a good service history of regular oil changes and enjoy it without worry.
1.23 is pretty impressive...what is your weight full race with or without driver?
Tracked my 996 cab a little but once I started to get a little faster I felt the need for roll cage and harness (and proper suspension). Got a Miata race car instead
$500 instead of $15000 for an engine. But at some points I would really like a 996 race car.
I was at VIR this past weekend watching the SCCA national championship and in the T1 class there was a 996NA (not GT3 and not Cup, but highly track prepped) that was in the top 3 keeping up with 991 Cup cars. It was impressive.
I went and found the car in the paddock to see what motor was in it....M96.
Nothing wrong with a Miata race car. I've owned one myself.
The class weight minimum for SP996 3.4s was 2850 lbs. but I unfortunately wasn't ever able to get it to weight, mainly due to the driver. The car would have been around 2920 lbs. give or take at that time.
Granted, yes, you can't do it for $31k.
As a Porsche factory mechanic/racer told me one time when I was complaining about costs, "what part of Porsche racing did you think was going to be inexpensive, the
Porsche
or the
racing
part?" That applies to anyone putting a Porsche on a track.
You're talking about a vehicle you can't legally drive on public roads and requires a lot of cash to maintain. For an idea, here is service invervals for a 997 cup.
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