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YOUR RESEARCHNew clutch/flywheel @2700?!
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My wife and I track the crap out of our car and we just replaced the clutch (and flywheel) for the first time and we are at 55K.
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I had to have the clutch replaced on my 02 C4S at 30K.
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Need a sanity check here...my '03 Targa with 30k miles is at the dealer who tells me, for a mere $2700, they can replace my clutch and flywheel.
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Check with multiple dealers and don't be afraid to negotiate.
Replace because it would have been alot more money
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The dealer did say that I was lucky the flywheel didn't have to be replaced because it would have been alot more money.
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Though I do use my p-car daily in a certain amount of stop-and-go, I can't imagine I drive any more aggressively or use vastly inferior technique to others here.
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To all --
Need a sanity check here...my '03 Targa with 30k miles is at the dealer who tells me, for a mere $2700, they can replace my clutch and flywheel. No argument that it needs to be replaced, but is this a reasonable cost?
Thanks, in advance.
-- M
Clutch and flywheel both? If that is the case then for $2700 you are getting it at a steal if in fact that is a dealer. I just had mine done at our local indy since the dealer wanted 2K for the clutch alone! I think my total bill was $2400. The damn flywheel is almost 1K in parts costs to begin with. Let's just say I wasn't to happy when I was in for ONLY a clutch and then got the call that I needed the flywheel as well. Needless to say I went down to take a look and it was fried. So my question to you is how do they know your flywheel is shot as well without even taking it apart???
I had to have the clutch replaced on my 02 C4S at 30K. My bill was 2 grand. The dealer did say that I was lucky the flywheel didn't have to be replaced because it would have been alot more money.
I paid my indy $600 for my RMS seal he put in a new clutch and LW flywheel at the same time. I paid him $400 for a LW flywheel he had new sitting in his show room. It was ordered for another client that backed out. I called Sunsetand got the RMS parts and clutch kit another $380 or so. $1400 for RMS replacement, New Clutch and New LW Flywheel. No problems what so ever they know their stuff.
Unbelievable......for all we know, you could just have air in your line that needs bleeding. Could also be something as simple as you clutch slave going out. They are going to need to be a bit more specific with their diagnosis to you! And if they say your flywheel is in fact gone I would ask to see it when it is removed (but it's not like they couldn't just show you one from another job). It is a pricey part so just be sure. Also, you will want to make sure they replace the RMS with the newest seal while they are in there as well as new bolts, etc.
A new clutch kit is about $700 parts and labor in California, so I won't call it a steal for $2G. Flywheel and clutch in 30K is highly suspect to me unless you do NHRA imitation all the time. why is it not covered by warranty?
700? Where? The clutch kit alone is roughly $400. So you got it installed for $300 (2 hours labor)???
Book time on the clutch is something in the 8-10 hour range. And yes I realize that it "can" be done quicker than that but you pay book time not actual time.
As for the flywheel, it just depends on how you drive the car. But I do agree that it sounds suspect at 30K. My wife and I track the crap out of our car and we just replaced the clutch (and flywheel) for the first time and we are at 55K.
Dell, it's like I keep saying: it's less about the actual mileage and more about the type of mileage.
If somebody drives all day every day back and forth to work in stop and go traffic, that clutch is gonna go sooner than you can imagine, even if one does drive gingerly.
As for somebody who shifts into and out of first once, and then spends the rest of time shifting in just the higher gears on fast country roads for some serious fun, the clutch isn't going to suffer as much.
Indeed, like you, I am much suspicious of the flywheel replacement recommendation.
BTW, when you get to NC, you MUST drive the Blue Ridge Parkway in Spring. It is NOT to be missed.
Clutch yes, flywheel , at 27K?, I agree on what style of driving but, a flywheel at 27K does not sound right to me.Make them prove to you you need one.
Damn Mikey, either you drive really hard or those are some tough miles! I commute in stop-and-go traffic 2-3 times a week, and my clutch is still going strong at a shade over 40K miles. I concur with others on the flywheel. That sure sounds like a stealer schpiel.
Though I do use my p-car daily in a certain amount of stop-and-go, I can't imagine I drive any more aggressively or use vastly inferior technique to others here.
So...assuming the flywheel biz is b.s. -- and we'll see if it is -- OK I learned something about my dealer, who I have trusted to this point (2.5 yrs). How much should parts & labor be strictly for a clutch replacement?
To an earlier point, it would be GREAT if clutches were covered under warranty. I've yet to see one that does.
-- M
In my old Boxster S, I had the clutch replaced at Pepe Porsche (a dealer) just over $1400. They did a fantastic job. Manhattan Motorsports and New Country Porsche both wanted north of $2400 bucks. Check with multiple dealers and don't be afraid to negotiate. And then, there's always the Indy route which Dell and others detailed fully below. I think you should be able to get out of there for sub-$2000 easy.
if your flywheel is bad it could be under warranty.the clutch on the other hand is a wear item.if i'm not mistaken there is a spec for flywheel deflection(the flywheel has a polymer spring to absorb drivetrain noise).
What are the symtoms of a bad fly wheel? My car makes sound like a bearing is worn, If i put the clutch in, The sound disappears. Car drives fine and i had two dealers tell me it was running within normal specs.
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Many thanks. I ended up NOT needing a new flywheel and, for others' benefit, the clutch replacement cost $1700 which seemed to be in line with others' experiences at a p-car dealer. So, thank you rennlist and fellow members...saving ~$1K paid my membership fee many times over.
-- M
When the DMF is shot, it allows excessive radial movement with the centre drive held firm. I think about 25mm measured on the outer edge is acceptable. In UK they cost about �600 plus labour. Mine allowed nearly 50mm movement and made a clunk when setting off. It was not covered by the warranty even though I had only owned the car a matter of weeks and done a few hundred miles. Another happy customer, but I've moved on now to an even bigger turkey - the Mini Cooper S and you should see the faults on Mini2 website. Makes RMS seem almost irrelevant!!
