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ims or scored cylinder issue

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Before everybody harp on it, the destruction of this engine does not look like it was caused by an IMS or scored cylinder issue.

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Check cracks, cases are resleeved, crank is

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The castings, crank, cams, are extensively checked for cracks, cases are resleeved, crank is checked for cracks, straightness, polished to specs, cams are refinished.

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The castings, crank, cams, are extensively checked for cracks, cases are resleeved, crank is checked for cracks, straightness, polished to specs, cams are refinished.

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Check cracks, straightness, polished

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The castings, crank, cams, are extensively checked for cracks, cases are resleeved, crank is checked for cracks, straightness, polished to specs, cams are refinished.

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Replace imsb

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IMSB was replaced in 2014 and I'd bet the engine was never prequalified...

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Run with scissors as a child

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(see att picture) What you wanna bet the OP ran with scissors as a child.

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The castings, crank, cams, are extensively checked for cracks, cases are resleeved, crank is checked for cracks, straightness, polished to specs, cams are refinished.

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Check cracks, straightness, polished

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The castings, crank, cams, are extensively checked for cracks, cases are resleeved, crank is checked for cracks, straightness, polished to specs, cams are refinished.

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Check cylinder, top end, crank, etc

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Do you think it's worth checking cylinder, top end, crank, etc?

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Clean piston tops

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Did you ever try and clean your piston tops with a solvent/brake cleaner like you had asked about earlier in March?

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Then in March he wanted to clean the piston tops using brake cleaner (not sure if he did but he does not answer that question) and was advised not to.

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Disconnect injector

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Or pull a plug and disconnect the injector to that cylinder on the other bank and run it as a 4 cylinder.

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Everything else will be junk and too costly to fix and I'm not talking about labour cost but cost of repairing the failed parts.

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I find his failure fascinating and these make for good repair threads.

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Replace engine

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The guy had bad luck, self-inflicted or not, and he's going to rebuild/replace his engine, which is commendable.

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Replace imsb

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IMSB was replaced in 2014 and I'd bet the engine was never prequalified...

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Run 3.4

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He has a good running 3.4 for $4.5K (took months to sell) and it just sold on ebay yesterday, money has not been exchanged yet.

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ims or scored cylinder issue

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Before everybody harp on it, the destruction of this engine does not look like it was caused by an IMS or scored cylinder issue.

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total loss

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This one is likely a total loss.

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POST 1 / ORIGINAL POSTEROriginal post

First signs not looking good. All pieces seem to be aluminum (magnet doesn't pick them up). Next I'm pulling the engine to determine what is salvageable and what is ruined. Any guesses? Car had the dreaded scored cylinder and codes show misfire on number 4. There was a bang while driving then stuttered for about a block as I pulled onto shoulder.

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Used oil analysis.. So sorry to see this, when did it happen?

POST 7Original post

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Used Oil Analysis. That pan is flaunting some really hard evidence of completely destruction!

POST 8Original post

I'm putting a bet on Cylinder 4 piston mixed in with some broken cylinder liner. Details on the engine? 3.4L? 3.6L? Mileage?

POST 9Original post

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This will all buff out. Some super glue should get it right as rain. In all seriousness - sorry for your loss!

POST 10Original post

Did you ever try and clean your piston tops with a solvent/brake cleaner like you had asked about earlier in March?

POST 11 / ORIGINAL POSTEROriginal post

3.4L 96k miles (roughly). This actually happened back in July while moving to our new home. Been sitting in garage ever since. I'll have to see what the damage was done when I pull it apart. If it's not salvageable, does anyone know where to get a new engine? I appreciate everyone's kind words, but honestly it's just an engine. I love this car and it's going to get fixed. This is part of owning the world's greatest car ever built and at some point, physics dictates repairs and new engines are needed .

POST 13Original post

If money is a concern, I personally recommend getting a 2000-2001 Boxster S engine. It is much cheaper and only around 20 HP less. Where do you live?

POST 14Original post

The piston exploded.. Likely that was cylinder #4. This one is likely a total loss.

POST 15Original post

It's posts like this that make people post posts like this: https://rennlist.com/forums/996-foru...otor-junk.html

POST 16Original post

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Yup, first thing that came to mind!

POST 17Original post

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You got me... maybe Jake can answer that. Like this one? You Tube

POST 18Original post

Would not addressing the misfires he had earlier this year in a timely manner contribute to this?

POST 19Original post

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Absolutely, and it should! These engines should not just be known to fail because of the IMS bearing. Lots of money can be lost because people don't know what a risk they take buying one in running condition. There are a lot of better options for the average buyer than the 996. I feel bad seeing these posts. One good thing about them though is it is bringing awareness to the other causes of failure. Hopefully future buyers can learn and make a better decision knowing all the facts. I also cringe when I see people installing new IMSBs on an engine that hasn't been properly rebuilt. It's just fixing one issue when several equally catastrophic issues still persist! Just increasing the losses if something like this happens. Anyway, good luck, OP!

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Absolutely, and it should! These engines should not just be known to fail because of the IMS bearing. Lots of money can be lost because people don't know what a risk they take buying one in running condition. There are a lot of better options for the average buyer than the 996. I feel bad seeing these posts. One good thing about them though is it is bringing awareness to the other causes of failure. Hopefully future buyers can learn and make a better decision knowing all the facts. I also cringe when I see people installing new IMSBs on an engine that hasn't been properly rebuilt. It's just fixing one issue when several equally catastrophic issues still persist! Just increasing the losses if something like this happens. Anyway, good luck, OP![/QUOTE] Couldn't agree more. Well said. I feel bad for a lot of 996 buyers. They get all hung up on the IMS being done and then get upset when the car starts ticking a year later. Too many things to go wrong with these engines.

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Now I remember this guy and his car. The OP bought this car last Thanksgiving without conducting a PPI and right out of the gates the car had problems. Now this! Ouch! I think he foretold his own fate. (see attached picture) Basically, he had all the tell tale signs (ticking, misfires, etc.), service tech confirmed scoring, and the OP still chose to drive it anyway. And so, here we are with an engine that has experience catastrophic failure.

POST 22Original post

Sounds like the OP knew it was a matter of time, drove it till it died, and is now willing to pony up what it takes to get it running again. Not much to see here except maybe the cost difference between proactive and reactive. At least now he knows that he wants to keep the car.

POST 23Original post

Ouch! That's a mess. Exactly why I ponied up the $ and had mine built by FSI. Once you get to that stage you're looking at an extra $8k or so (used good motor/core)...

POST 24Original post

DAYAM!! That's some destruction there! Rolled the dice and came up with snake eyes... Hope you find a reasonable solution to your loss. My vote is the whole engine is trash as the Pro said above.

POST 26 / ORIGINAL POSTEROriginal post

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I think you are right. Looks like eaten piston. Do you think it's worth checking cylinder, top end, crank, etc? Or just get a different engine?

POST 27Original post

the case will be damaged, likely badly. Could be fixable with sleeves, but would need a thorough review. Heads will be beat to hell. Likely need at least one new one. Crank, well, thats a crapshoot but could be stuffed depending on how failure occurred. I'd probably just go the new engine route.

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Good Lord, here we go with the forum advertising again. You're in idiot if you have to have a shop fix your engine. Extra 8k? What did you spend? I got a quote starting at $18k for scored cylinder! I bet I can get a a different engine, rebuild like new, all for under $12k; I bet I still come out ahead of what you paid! Eeek!

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I'll take it apart anyway. If it needs a new crank, might be a good excuse to ram 400hp out of it . This will be a fun winter project. Got the space in garage so no rush. Plus, my neighbor is cool as hell and he's a master mechanic, he's offered to help.

POST 30Original post

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Be careful who you call idiot. Remember how you got in this mess in the first place!

POST 31 / ORIGINAL POSTEROriginal post

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What mess? I have a broken car, big deal, not like I did anything to it. How about you shut your mouth and go shake your finger in a blender? You know how many people I help? How many lives I've saved? No? Perhaps you better be careful.

POST 32Original post

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I would not be confident about that. The seals, bolts, gaskets, etc add right the hell up. If you plan to resleeve, youre easily over 12k

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POST 34Original post

Or pull a plug and disconnect the injector to that cylinder on the other bank and run it as a 4 cylinder. There may be some life in it still.

POST 35Original post

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Same. Mine will be done just after yours.

POST 36Original post

I've heard of D chunking before, but this looks like A, B, C, D, E, F, G, H, I, J, K, L, M, N, O, P, Q, R, S, T, U, V, W, and XYZ chunking.

POST 37Original post

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Well I see above that we have both been deemed to be idiots. My car will be running before his and bet it won't fail again either. So I wear the idiot badge proudly! How bout you?

POST 38Original post

Seems that the OP has suddenly become confrontative and combative. Nice! Comes and asks for help, gets gigged a little and he goes to the dark side. Oh well...takes all kinds.

POST 39Original post

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will be wearing the idiot badge �loud and proud� , especially loud (@ 5k rpm)!! with the suspension work I�m going to do, I�ll have GT3 performance in a C2 package!!

POST 40Original post

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No need for the antagonism. If you can't see the mess you've got yourself into, then maybe I should put it on a more elementary level - You screwed up! You bought a Porsche 996 which is well known to have many modes of failure. It's also greatly encouraged that prospective buyers should pay a reputable Porsche shop to conduct a thorough PPI. However, you choice to ignore the advice of many and instead, purchase the car as-is only to quickly find out it that you admittedly made a mistake. As you noted, the car had many symptoms that led to the #1 mode of failure on the M96 - that is, cylinder bore scoring. Instead of making plans to rebuild the engine properly, you chose to drive it. Not just drive it, but drive it in the ground. If the symptoms weren't screaming loud enough to get your attention, you continued until you completely, unequivocally killed the engine that could have been saved otherwise. And now you come here. Come here for what? Sympathy? back rubs? People offer good advice and how do you return that favor? Insults! I don't think you want any of our advice. Finger in the blender? lol Where did you get that line? Watching gremlins on VHS? Listen, we don't need psychotic around these parts. The delivery truck just ran this week and we're all stocked up on crazy!

POST 43Original post

I thought bore scoring was something you could usually drive with for a while. Any theory on why this one exploded instead of just continuing to gradually wear the cylinder wall?

POST 44Original post

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We've got a live one, here.

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POST 46Original post

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That looks like 75% of the moving parts of the engine in the pan. Nothing like a tight bore to ruin a day.

POST 47Original post

Op just coast it to Jiffy Lube, they can flush that out for 29 bucks, you’ll have the last laugh.

POST 48Original post

You're not out that much more, 2k-4k for a rebuildable core engine and you're right back where you started before the engine explosion. I doubt anything is salvageable from your old engine, if the crank or one head is undamaged it will be a small miracle...but could net you 1k-1.5k as used parts sale, plus accessories ect.. You can still do Nickies,JE pistons, Solution, H-beam rods, ect to your newly purchased "core" engine, and not be too far off from where you would have been. BTW, you can use a 3.2 Boxster "core" engine as your base. They are a lot cheaper, have the same case, same crank stroke, same cams, valves. can be bored out to same size as the 3.4 can be (3.8). Just have to drill and tap a few holes for the muffler brackets to mount to the heads, also you will have no use for the intake/TB, and headers....

POST 49Original post

Here's you a good "base" engine. Can be bored to 3.8 with Nickies, JE pistons, H-beam rods, all the goodies you want, and just drop in.. (with a couple holes drilled and tapped like I mentioned above).. So, in reality, running it until it exploded only cost you less than 3k, or if anything isn't damaged in your exploded engine, maybe less.( used parts sale). https://www.ebay.com/itm/Engine-3-2L...gAAOSwjShdeDH4

POST 51Original post

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^^^ Says the guy with chunks of his motor sitting in his oil sump... Ok genius, do it your way

POST 52Original post

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^^^ Oh dear...it sounds like you're having a bit of a meltdown...

POST 53Original post

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I think the best way to answer your question is to point you to Jake Raby's video on "living with bore scoring". Check it out... Jump to 13:28. Jake's example sound familiar? You Tube

POST 54Original post

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You see someone's true feelings when they start flexing vague and irrelevant facts about themselves that cannot be proven over the internet. It is like when you read Youtube comments and someone gets mad and starts slamming away at their keyboard stating "I own 2 successful businesses, 3 exotic sports cars, and 4 homes!" Yea, okay buddy, you don't sound sensitive at all lol.

POST 55Original post

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Read his history...He's now "LostByOne"

POST 56Original post

I don't understand the bashing here. The guy had an engine failure, he appears to be a competent mechanic, i.e. is one of the few on this forum who could rebuild the engine. Why dig into somebody so hard after taking a hit like this? I find his failure fascinating and these make for good repair threads.

POST 57Original post

Where in any of his posts reveal that he is a mechanic and will be rebuilding it himself?

POST 58Original post

Agree, why make fun of someone that just lost their engine? If money is a concern the boxster alternative doesn't sound to bad, sure the car is going to suck but a viable option.Seems like you can buy them at ebay for cheap. NOS + Boxster engine = 996 engine?

POST 59Original post

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Come on man, everyone knows this is from Goonies and not from Gremlins!

POST 61Original post

My prediction is that with some luck the other head will be usable and everything else bolted to the outside of the engine. Everything else will be junk and too costly to fix and I'm not talking about labour cost but cost of repairing the failed parts.

POST 62Original post

I am sorry if I was bashing. I just thought the life saving this was a bit dramatic. Now that things are back on track, I will be interested to see what the insides look like and the OP's solution. I am in the same boat with bore scoring and engine failure, although not yet catastrophic. I believe mine was due to leaking fuel injectors (so many fuel related issues..) washing down the cylinders and resulting in scoring, which then results in contaminated oil eroding my bearings. I have seen it on cars before.. Will be interesting to see what the case is here.

POST 63Original post

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I was actually sympathetic to the guy in my original post. I told him (in so many words) that it was my fear of a similar experience that convinced me to do an elective FSI re-build last year. For that I was called "in idiot" and an "advertiser" for FSI What makes you believe he is a competent mechanic "is one of the few on this forum who could rebuild the engine." ? Well, I guess since he blew it up he must be able to rebuild it... Oh yeah there's this: " Plus, my neighbor is cool as hell and he's a master mechanic, he's offered to help." ... I think I've heard this a few times before.

POST 64Original post

The guy is no mechanic but is a "self proclaimed idiot" (his words) and is clueless based on his very first post on RL! Ignored everyone's advice and drove it into the ground...He even wanted to spray down the tops of his pistons with brake cleaner (knowing he had at least #4 scored) back in March. I felt sorry for him then and feel sorry for him now, but he really has no clue.

POST 65Original post

I too like, dporto, wished him well and now am also branded an idiot because I had a "shop" rebuild my engine. There were some people poking fun and thin skin apparently led the OP to lash out. If I made a decision that led to a catastrophic failure I would have to accept that fact. If I couldn't take the jabs that might come from an on-line forum I probably wouldn't post my mistake. We all make mistakes. Hell I do every stinking day and I have to accept my mistakes, learn from them and move on. I have learned that lashing out at others does NOT make things any better nor correct the situation. To me it's all about acceptance... My original post in this thread:

POST 66Original post

So as Jake stated above, the OP is maybe $3k worst off by driving until it exploded, that to me is not that unreasonable, I would have take that risk, in a way we all are. I think the reality is that when we become members of the 996 ownership club, we have to accept that at some point there will be a $20k+ investment needed to keep this almost 20 year old car running, this is on top of whatever you paid for the car. For some this is OK, for others is not, if you are not ok with this, sell the car and buy something else before it blows up.

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"So as Jake stated above, the OP is maybe $3k worst off by driving until it exploded" I don't think Jake stated that but I digress... $3k is more like a "best case scenario" and the $8k that I stated early on was more like a "worst case scenario" (which in my experience is more realistic). Perhaps it's more like somewhere in the middle - say $5-6k. * You have to remember that the cheaper you go with a used engine, the greater chance you have of getting "surprises" once you open it up.

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Yeah because that neighbor also save stray cats and dogs when not building a M96 for the first time. Nothing like exchanging free labor for experience. Can't wait for the rebuild thread.

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Before everybody harp on it, the destruction of this engine does not look like it was caused by an IMS or scored cylinder issue.

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Jake even took the time to try to warn him last December. (see att picture) What you wanna bet the OP ran with scissors as a child.

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#4 was diagnosed with a scope and it was scored, not to mention a history of driving it with misfires earlier in the year under this condition. Then in March he wanted to clean the piston tops using brake cleaner (not sure if he did but he does not answer that question) and was advised not to. IMSB was replaced in 2014 and I'd bet the engine was never prequalified...

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I am also an "idiot" for determining that the best path for me was to go for an elective build with FSI that will yield years of worry-free enjoyment. Glad to be in like company...

POST 73Original post

The car did go 96,000 miles. Nothing to see here.

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But not in his 9 months of ownership...Truly sad, and I sure hope he didn't finance this purchase!

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Ha! Not only are you "in idiot"... You're an "advertiser" for FSI !!! you're a bad boy

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Please!! I prefer to categorize myself as a FSI FANBOY and I'm good with that name, as well!

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But you spelled it wrong it's FANBOI !

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This reminds me of a funny story. When the ex and I were married we frequented the town forum. A whole lot of hum drum but semi-interesting just the same. One day I found that I was being ripped off by a local gas station. You know, charging me $38.01 when the machine said $33.01 (oops I misread the 3 for an 8...right). It happened more than once. So I posted my dismay on the forum and cut this place to pieces. Anyway, I caught a whole bunch of sh*t for it by other members defending this thief. So the ex and I decided to have some fun. We both had different screen names so we decided to get into an imaginary fight on-line. We called each other names. We even decided to meet at a local park to duke it out. But when the time came, my profile decided to chicken out. And then it got really heated ... and EXTREMELY funny. We had people on both our sides defending one of us. There were offers to 'have my back' if I decided to actually meet up with this 'other person'. In the end, we came clean and there was nothing but crickets. Boy did we have some fun with this for 6 months. Talk about hilarious! Just a story for the peanut gallery here....

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It was I who stated that, and is not a "best case scenario". But a realistic estimate based on positive proof. There are 3.4 engines that have not had explosions that can be had for this price. Although the 3.4 is getting a lot more rare. I have bought them from $300 bucks to $2k with no explosion, just the usual cracked head intermix ect. You guys with the 996.2 are not so lucky. The low supply of the 3.4 that is now available is why I mentioned the Boxster alternative. The 3.2 is essentially the same as the 3.4 except is a 93mm bore instead of the 96mm bore. All else is the same, case casting, head casting, crank, cams, chains, IMS, pumps, valves, everything. And can be bored to the same 3.8 liter as the 3.4 engine. The Boxster intake headers,and T/B are the main restriction as far as power goes, but using the 996 stuff nullifies this. The 3.2 Boxster engine can be had dirt cheap..If rebuilt with the same Nickies,JE pistons, Solution, H-beam rods, ect will be IDENTICAL except for the serial number will be M96/21 not M96/01- 02- 04

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On a "high end" rebuild, nothing is reused anyway except the castings, crank, cams,.. The castings, crank, cams, are extensively checked for cracks, cases are resleeved, crank is checked for cracks, straightness, polished to specs, cams are refinished. all else are new parts. So, when an explosion ocures, you loose the "base" parts of the built. But these "base parts" can be had from another engine as long as it hasn't had an explosion..

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^^^ But you�re PT3... your scenario isn�t the most common one. I doubt many folks here have the same resources/possibilities you have.

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I had to look it up to make sure I spelled it right. BOI is a bastardized version of BOY which is mostly applied to a particular technology or tech company, but either could work here.

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WOW! I've seen people get Perma-Banned for doing less around these parts!

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I wasn't really speaking to my particular scenario I used for my car (the 14.7 cents Smiles per Mile $ leader) but rather to just to the usual rebuild after catastrophic failure scenario. But maybe I am not giving myself enough credit in using my failure analysis experience and risk management to "play the odds" in my favor. I was just giving my advise as to what I know to be cost effective solutions. There is a big difference in loss associated with a 996.2 explosion as compared to a 996.1 explosion. Mainly due to the cost of good "base parts". And the 3.2 Boxster being so compatible with the 996.1 is the reason. But I think the Smiles per Miles $ meter would go a long way to making the 996 the iconic Porsche model it needs to be..

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The same philosophy I've had for the 944 for so many years. Now that I'm an adult, I am loving the 996. There are so many similarities between the two. The 944 was always one of the bastard children in the Porsche lineup. The 996 is the bastard 911. Iconic, indeed.

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What's your point? A few guys who want to feel better about themselves, continued to pat themselves on their backs and went off topic on the thread. Thanks to informative comments by PT3 and others. Good luck to the OP.

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Typical internet exchange. The guy had bad luck, self-inflicted or not, and he's going to rebuild/replace his engine, which is commendable. Name calling and personal attacks never accomplish squat, we're supposed to be adults. Floating around in the internet is a video of a man who had purchased the dreaded knocking 911; he rebuilt it in his small garage with some help. Had never done one before and the sound of that rebuilt engine once he finished was pure music. I wish the OP the same experience. Good luck. Porsche makes great cars, but some of these issues leave me shaking my head.

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Just for the heck of it, I pretended I needed a complete engine for my 1999 C2. Looking around, I could not find an inexpensive 3.4. Complete engines on eBay ranged from about 5k to 9k. Most of these engines were implied to be running, but I have my doubts about some of them. It looked to me like buying a complete car with front end damage off Copart is the way to go. They seem to often sell in the range of just an engine.

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At first, I thought he might be gaming us when I read some of his comments, but when I realized who this guy was, I looked back at his history and remembered that he posted many YouTube videos of himself trying to start the actual car. But I'm sorry. I guess I'm the heartless one here. I find it hard to feel sorry for someone that was warned over and over by Jake Raby, 808Bill, and others. His apathy is akin to a child that was cautioned to avoid a certain danger, but didn't listen. When circumstance bites, he then runs to mama for coddling and "it will be okay" consoling. That's what appears to be happening here.

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Did you forget about the green one (ttt123) that's having a supercharged Pontiac conversion being done. He has a good running 3.4 for $4.5K (took months to sell) and it just sold on ebay yesterday, money has not been exchanged yet.

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Depends who you ask. If you ask my wife, most definitely and without question, yes! But compared to her, we're all idiots. She's my SOB (standard of beauty .

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Thank you! In my work I'm frequently chatting with successful people and while their backgrounds and personalities vary, I've noticed one common trait they seem to all share: they are solution oriented. If they came into work one morning and the secretary said the whole business burned to the ground, they would just nod their head, remain unemotional and begin the process of rebuilding. This is the stereotype I have with Porsche owners, that we are solution oriented. While I started to have my doubts on here, you've restored my faith .

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Starting Friday I'll begin pulling the engine (only have a couple of hours though) then in two weeks I'll tear it apart and identify the damage. However, we moved into our new home only a couple months ago and I'm working on a gym and landscaping before the snow, so may not get to it all right away. The good thing is my neighbor and I have become friends and he's a 3rd generation master mechanic who owns a shop just down the road. He's worked on many Porsches before and offered his help whenever needed. To which I looked at my wife and said, "Honey, we're never moving again." --And he looked at his wife and said, "honey, pack the bags .

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Excited for you on this journey, there's couple of rebuild threads (esp. Asahi) that can give you some excellent guidance with their experiences. I wanted to do this, but no space or time, so elected to have FSI do what I wanted done on my 'forever car'. Will subscribe to your rebuild post!

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Isn't that the whole point of using a forum, to exchange information in hopes of becoming more knowledgeable? By the way, I'm not sure which post you're referring to about brake cleaner. If I previously asked the question and you answered it then thank you. I never did use any brake cleaner and I think (could be wrong) if I did ask that question, it was only because someone else wrote about it; I may have been asking someone more knowledgeable, someone like you, if that was a good idea or not. I'm no mechanic (not by a long shot), but I do enjoy working on cars, finding creative solutions to complex problems and most importantly, I really just enjoy the challenge and the get feeling of accomplishment after fixing a car. This is my first porsche, and the more I learn about this car the more I enjoy it. Calling me an idiot is an attempt to rob me of the enjoyment and satisfaction I have working on this car. Will I screw up? You bet! But that's also an opportunity to learn and grow. While I'm no mechanic, I have experience teaching and raising kids. As my kids grow, virtually everything they encounter is new to them. Take this most recent story as an example. My son is now at the age where he is really interested in a girl, but since he has no experience, he has no idea what to do about his feelings for her. My role as dad is to show him and help explain a healthy way to deal with these feelings, and how he can build lasting relationships. Why do I bring the his up? Because if I were to scold him and tell him he's an idiot, it would directly contradict his feelings and likely lead to anger and confusion; and he would more than likely perceive my response as the correct response to these feelings and lash out at the very girl he thinks is special. Likewise, calling someone asking for information and seeking advice is not only cruel, it benefits nobody. Not me, and especially not you. You can say you feel sorry for me all you want the reality is my car is material and will eventually rust out, but your character will stay with you forever. You don't know me and I dont know you but calling me an idiot for asking questions completely exposes your spirit. When I read your comment I find no spirit of kindness, compassion, understanding, love or any other virtue; but rather I see a spirit of pride, arrogance, disrespect and perhaps anger. If that's the person you choose to be, I hope you reconsider. You seem to know cars and I would love nothing more to learn from you and enjoy this car and perhaps even gain a cool friend online who shares a common interest--love of Porsche. Your choice, ball's in your court.

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What's wrong with being sensitive? Are you unable to show compassion? There are a few on here who do nothing but complain, don't be one of them, we need good people who are solution oriented. So far reading through some of the comments there's this nuttyproffessor profile, and one other one that are the loudest (for lack of better term). They are off topic, divisive and seem to be looking for conflict. Well, I do t have the time and really not interested. You think I'm an idiot for whatever reason? Fine, enjoy whatever you're s eking to accompish, hope you feel better about yourself. I again don't have the time or energy to continue responding to every counterproductive and pointless attack. I came hoping to hear from knowledgeable people who share a live for the Porsche 996, and they have responded. A few bad apples can spoil the bunch and I hope someone from the forum cleans this up so others who may also need help, don't read these posionous-hypercritical remarks and never seek help. A close friend ofine owns a company employing ~1000 people, most engineers and business folk. He said in his company there are certain employees that try to create division, thinking they are somehow move up as a result. While that may happen from time to time, he said they overall bring the company down. I remember him saying hey do hat these people need to be identified and promptly dealt with accordingly. In the same way these divisive people on this site can bring the forum down (at least to a lower than where it could be). After reading some of the comments here (many good too), I personally have a much much lower opinion of this site. Btw, my friend's company is actually my family, called Crown Iron Works and we've been in business for over 140 years.

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While your attempt to create a straw man is obvious, you're partially correct . My mother is an amazing woman and full of encouragement and I welcome the times we chat and she reminds me it will be okay. In all seriousness, If you think a broken down car is any reason to stress, I encourage you to read through some of the profiles at kidsalive.org. My wife and I have been blessed to support a number of kids from Peru, and we're now contemplating adoption. Your comments on here to me suggest you could benefit from helping others in need. Good people help others. From my experience, that doesn't mean you become good then help, it's the other way around. You choose to help others and that in turn produces good fruit, sets you free from an imprisoning ego and a self-centered delusion. At least that's my experience...and my mom agrees!

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Not to belabor the point but in your defensive rage you did call those of us who chose to send our cars to FSI idiots and FSI advertisers. That doesn't sound all that "free from an imprisoning ego and self centered delusion" to me, but it could just be me. I wish you well in your engine rebuild efforts.

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Hello Pot, meet Kettle!

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I believe you don't want assistance because you haven't listened and/or implemented any of the advice from the knowledgeable people on this forum. All you've done is play the psychological manipulation card in an attempt to get people fighting among themselves. You are an instigator and hypocritical at best. Others may not see it, but it's a classic defense mechanism in social circles. That is, in order to regain control and avoid conflict, you counterattack with a moral high ground in order to make people feel guilty of their actions towards you. Again, we don't need crazy, we're all stocked up.

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What gave it away? Was it the photo of aluminum shrapnel? Or asking the question what others thought happened? You're sharp, gotta hand it to you. This whole time I've been secretly psychologically manipulating you, but you spotted it! Now I'm forced to scrap phase two after working on it for months: convincing you aliens blew up my engine. No offense if you already think that. Based on your comments, you're so far from reality it wouldn't be much of a stretch. Oh well, suppose I'll put my telepathic powers to good use and psychologically manipulate my engine back together again. This forum has spiralled wildly out of control...it's now a complete waste of time thanks in large part to three profiles who have yet to offer even one applicable comment. Not one, they are all off topic.

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I have a rebuilt 2001 engine with LN 3.6 sleeves ready to ship for $14k . Pic's of the build here: https://rennlist.com/forums/996-foru...6-rebuild.html

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WOW, I go away for a few days and I get back to this. OK, so I am not reading the multiple pages of non cense, I read and posted early on on this thread hoping this would evolve into a nice build thread, but I was wrong. I am not sure what has generated all these emotions, I see many comments like " I cant feel sorry for the guys" and " psychological manipulation", this is a simple mechanical failure, it was going to happen no matter what. I don't understand why some people here get so uptight when they see one of these engines blow up, the reality is that as engines go, they make a lot of power based on their size but they are not the most reliable and they will blow up sooner or later. All engines will, just the 99x do go boom sooner than many others. When the OP purchased the car, it already had symptoms, he chose to drive it until it failed and I honestly do not criticise him for it. So spend $20k proactive or $23k reactive or maybe not for a long time, I take that gamble, well now is time to pay up.

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Rennlist is starting to look a lot like youtube comments... Hope OP starts a separate rebuild thread to share his rebuilding experience.

POST 110Original post

If your colleagues and your workplace is as you described then, you guys must be screwing up all the time.

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Oh boy. Did I tell you guys the joke about the guy whose wife crashed his Porsche ?

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Me too! Better yet, a different forum...

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