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Installed a 3 spoke wheel which has slightly larger buttons and decided against paddles when I saw them in person.
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I use the toggle switches when just cruising around, but I have paddles installed also for when I want to drive aggressively around tight corners/track.
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But have installed the paddles and use it much more now.
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I use auto mode for around town traffic and steady highway cruising.
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I think I used the auto mode once just to see what it's like.
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I use the toggle switches when just cruising around, but I have paddles installed also for when I want to drive aggressively around tight corners/track.
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No matter what anyone says, the time from when you give the input to change gear to the time it finally happens is an eternity in any torque converter auto, even the newer ones that claim to shift faster than PDK (they don�t, I promise), especially when compared to one of the performance-oriented DCTs (there are economy cars with DCTs that shift as slow as torque converter autos, but that�s not the PDK).
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I use the toggle switches when just cruising around, but I have paddles installed also for when I want to drive aggressively around tight corners/track. I NEVER drive in auto mode. In manual mode you can shift when you want to, but if you don't shift, the TCU will shift for you just before rev limit/red line. Also you can downshift anytime you want, but the TCU will not let you downshift if the action will result in over-rev. You can "stack" the down shift( or press and hold the down shift) EARLY, and the TCU will wait until the appropriate time to down shift.
I drive 80+ miles a day, I use a combination of full manual, or D mode. One thing I like doing is staying in D mode and then downshifting when I want acceleration instead of just stomping on the gas in D. I've learned how long it takes to shift/get into power band, kind of fun actually!
I've noticed that I can haul *** better in full D mode now that I did the 90K mile trans filter change.
I use both modes. I usually start out in auto mode until the car is up to temp so I don't accidentally exceed 4k before it's warmed up. After that it's in manual mode. I put it into auto when I'm on a highway at cruising speed.
I use both. We are in hilly, curvy areas and use manual mode there. And then oh, here comes a boulevard with plenty of red lights; or oh, here comes a freeway --- just flick it into auto mode and relax. I'm not very good at it yet, but I am also practicing using the pedal in auto mode to "select" a gear without the buttons.
I daily drive my Tip and pretty much only use manual mode - the auto is rather boring to me and constantly tries to upshift to a higher gear than I want (i find myself going 30mph at 2k rpm in 5th gear). Having driven stick on a variety of cars I can state that auto-manual tip on the 911 is just as fun to drive and less hassle in traffic/city
From what I've read on this forum, the tiptronic on the 996.2 onward up to the 997 are better than previous models with more mapping points that ultimately give better throttle response when you hit the gas.
I think they will work fine, they look to be the same size and style mounting as the aluminum AMG MB paddles that are known to fit well on the 996 steering wheels. May even fit and look better !!
Definitely agree. They should have put a switch or selector to allow the driver to choose one of the higher shift maps. Other cars have them -- select sport mode, or supersport mode, etc.
Drive a .2 gen with FSI 3.8l engine, so power is always there when I need it, so this may allow me to use auto mode more.. I use auto mode for around town traffic and steady highway cruising. And the occational lazy days. But manual mode for real driving on the mountain roads and twisties around here. The tip is better for that than I thought it might be. I'm not a real fan of the buttons, guess my thumbs aren't as agile as others. Have paddle shifters on my "hope to" list for this year.
So I'm looking for a TT daily driver. I'll be 60 this year and as much as I enjoy rowing through the gears I find there are more and more times that I would like not to have to hit a clutch especially in traffic and at lights. I do about 1500 miles a month. I am worried about missing the stick!!! I have been looking for a couple months just to try a TIP since I have never driven one. Anyone move over to a TIP and find they miss driving a stick?
When I had my M3, which was a DCT, I only missed not being able to go into neutral whenever I wanted. But, because of the immediacy of the DCT�s gear engagement, I never missed having a manual otherwise, especially daily driving. However, the torque converter auto does not have the immediacy of the DCT; it�s not even close. No matter what anyone says, the time from when you give the input to change gear to the time it finally happens is an eternity in any torque converter auto, even the newer ones that claim to shift faster than PDK (they don�t, I promise), especially when compared to one of the performance-oriented DCTs (there are economy cars with DCTs that shift as slow as torque converter autos, but that�s not the PDK).
For me, it has almost nothing to do with being able to �row my own gears.� I don�t see a manual transmission being inherently more fun or engaging than a good DCT. What I need is to be in the correct gear immediately and there isn�t a torque converter automatic transmission in existence that can provide that. If you just cruise around and granny shift at 2500rpm with your manual, the Tiptronic is probably fine. But if you want any kind of response to your inputs, get a 997.2 or newer 911 with the PDK and you�ll never miss having a manual.
I have driven manuals most of my life in DD, track cars, and Drag cars, I have driven performance auto's also as DD, track cars, and Drag cars(800-900hp). I can say an Auto or " clutchless manual" (PKD DCT Liberty Lenco ect.) will out perform a manual hands down, especially in a high horsepower car. While rowing the gears is fun in low or moderate horsepower cars, high horsepower cars are NOT fun to "shift". My opinion is the 996 or 997 Turbo fall into the high horsepower category. The high power and torque goes through the gears so quickly that unloading and reloading the power/torque not only takes time but upsets the chassis also.YMMV
Try using your finger, not your thumb. I had the same problem at first, got much better response with a quick poke of a finger, instead of the roll of the thumb.
I agree, the Tip switches feel awkward at first, took me years to "get over" it, but you will eventually get use to it. I wouldn't try to get used to poking it with a finger as you would not have a good grip on the wheel. That's why the Paddles ( I install them on mine, but still have the switches also) feel so natural, you have a firm 9-3 grip on the wheel and can execute the shifts without loosing grip.
Love the perspective you give! I will probably never do more than an autocross or 2 and have no track experience. I do run the car close to redline to enjoy the power curve especially on twistys and have misshifted here and there. I'm thinking I may do it! Might even keep the 6 speed for a while Worse comes to worse can always sell and go back!
My Turbo S is a 991 so PDK. It has somewhere around 650HP and frankly I can't imagine anything but PDK for that car. But to your point on tip....I am considering getting a 996 C4S for daily driving especially in bad weather and get it as TIP just because of traffic around Seattle.
To-be new owner of a 996 (this coming weekend) and I am glad to have read all the posts in this thread. The 996.2 C4S I am getting is a Tip, and was actually happy to find one as I plan to use this car as a regular driver. When I drive to the office, normally there are a lot of stop lights before I get into the highways, and there couold be medium traffic in the tollways. I look forward to not having to shift gears manually with the Tip.
Manual mode most of the time. Auto when stuck in traffic, but sometimes even then switch to manual to ease the tedium.
I always think it's kind of funny that many berate the Tip, while adoring PDK. Yes, totally different trannies, but the overall driving experience is quite similar. I have two PDK cars now (991 and Cayman) plus my 996 Tip. Love it.
Like David, I also track a Tip, which many say can 't be done. David's story, however, is far more interesting than mine. He's a man to be admired.
I knew that, in my enthusiasm I overlooked! I know PDK is considered the pinnacle but for someone who has driven both what is your opinion on the Tip vs PDK? I have made my decision and will be getting a TT tip!
Certainly, PDK is better. But You can't get PDK on a 996. Another comment regarding tip... 2nd generation is MUCH better than 1st. 250 shift map programs, vs 5.
I have a .2 and I am in M mode 90% of the time. I find that in D mode, the car feels sluggish as it is always in a higher gear. So in M mode I drive and shift as if it was a manual car to keep the revs in the power band.
I bought a manual steering to install paddles and to lose the thumb buttons. I used to hate the thumb buttons but I think I know why they designed it that way, so you can drive in M mode eat a burger and shift with one hand!
Do I miss driving manual? Sure, sometimes, especially heel toe/rev match down shifts. But the tip has this slight latency between gear change that if you blip the throttle you can rev match, however I'm not sure if that puts any strains on the gearbox.
I left the Tip buttons on so that on the rare occasion I wanted to drive "one handed", like eating a sausage/egg/cheese breakfast, it was possible, because I drive 99.9% manual mode...
Is there a reliable source of info related to the 5 maps on the early tips? I have a 1999 that shifts 1-2 at 6400, even in manual mode. Other gears go to redline. Not that I'm going to buy a Durametric and map it myself - mostly just curious.
I've got a 996.2 Tip, but my comment is regarding the shift points you mention. You may not care, but...�..I'm not sure why you'd want to shift at RPM's any higher than low to mid 6K's max. These cars run out of torque above that and there really no performance benefit in running the snot out of it to 7K RPM. I track my Tip (which keeps up with manual 996's just fine) and I've looked at lap times running it up to almost 7K vs shifting just above 6K. And the lap times are slightly quicker shifting at just over 6K. Just my 2 cents, FWIW.
Cheers..
Good point...shift point, that is.
It kind of
feels
like an early shift, but the box is likely keeping the motor in the proper power/torque range. This Sunday is the first auto-cross with the 911. It'll be interesting to see how that goes. I may try both modes as an experiment. I don't plan to mess with the tiptronic, until such time as it would need to be rebuilt....which is likely never.
Thanks for the reply.
I track my C4S Tip with no issues. Not sure if it's faster/slower than an exact-same C4S manual, but if it's faster, I'd blame my weight on the additional lap times lol...
I agree with David on the RPM thing too, having recently tracked mine. I think my instructor said our engines peak at/around 5500rpm for power and torque so that's where he'd have me upshift. Could be wrong but I do gotta say watching the rev counter max out at 7100 and then kick up to 3rd was pretty cool!
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