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I checked the four bolts on the clamps near the converters, and the clamp on the tips, and they are all quite free.
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Getting my Fisters delivered on Friday, hoped to get them installed on Saturday before heading up to Monterey.
Replace mufflers we used my milwaukee cordless ratchet
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When we swapped my mufflers we used my Milwaukee cordless ratchet, which is kind of like an air ratchet without the hose.
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When we swapped my mufflers we used my Milwaukee cordless ratchet, which is kind of like an air ratchet without the hose.
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I used a similar kit from FVD - mechanic was very pleased that I had these.
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Getting my Fisters delivered on Friday, hoped to get them installed on Saturday before heading up to Monterey. I don't know how hard it is to do myself, but am worried i might get into it and then stuck, and then delay my trip to Monterey. Does anyone know of a competent shop that could do it and that works on Saturday in the LA Harbor area? I'll be in San Pedro/PV but can go anywhere in the reasonable area.
If you want to diy the only problem is the hardware being corroded and therefore you can't get the old ones off. Put the car on jack stands and see if the nuts will come loose. If so, you're all set.
The clamps that hold the exhaust tips onto the mufflers are often completely seized - you might want to acquire a pair of exhaust tip clamps in advance. You can always return them if you don't need them.
If it's a california car and you are fairly competent mechanically, I expect you'll be able to do this with no problems (except maybe the afore-mentioned hardware)...
I have a northeast car and hat to cut several of my bolts off and source a replacement hanger for one side. So, there are definitely cases where even a shop would have problems. I'd investigate the condition ahead of time even if the plan is to have a shop do it if time is of the essence.
order this kit before you do anything
http://www.carnewal.com/products/P96...t-Hardware-Set
all the nuts / bolts that you'll need are in there
the M80 & M130's are likely to snap (they hold the muffler on the carrier)
and the clamps for the tip section are pretty much 'one use only'
well worth the little bit of money
I checked the four bolts on the clamps near the converters, and the clamp on the tips, and they are all quite free. No rustiness at all, and nuts turn easily. Still need to locate and test the hanger bolts?
RRTec, Fister charges $400 core charge, so I'd have to sell for that plus the extra shipping going all the way to TN instead of Calif where I am. You can probably find them cheaper, but as long as it doesn't cost me more $ I'll sell if you want them.
The hanger nuts are tricky to get to but should be pretty easy to see if there is any corrosion, etc. The other place where there can be trouble is the vertical bolts that attach the hanger to the muffler. But it sounds like a pretty clean car and you should be OK.
No. If you leave the muffler bolted to the mounting bracket and remove the three nuts holding the mounting bracket in place, you can remove the entire muffler/bracket assembly without removing the bumper cover.
Removing the rear wheels would definitely make the process easier - there are a couple of maneuvers where the tire is in the way - but that is not absolutely necessary either. I have done a couple of muffler swaps using nothing but a pair of Rhino Ramps with the bumper cover in place.
An air ratchet makes it a lot easier to manage those three nuts. When we swapped my mufflers we used my Milwaukee cordless ratchet, which is kind of like an air ratchet without the hose. We jacked up the rear of the car and removed the rear wheels, as 5CNH3LL mentioned. We also needed a 3 foot pipe slid over the end of a breaker bar to loosen the nuts on the clamps. And that's after soaking them for a while in PB Blaster. We did not break any bolts.
We did not remove the bumper cover, and it didn't take that long to swap the mufflers.
Looks like a few extra parts (bolts and nuts)...but that wouldn't account for the price difference. I've bought from both Rhonda (FVD) and Gert (Carnewal) and have been pleased with both. However I usually buy from FVD since they do have a US presence if there are any customer service concerns.
It is worth having this stuff at hand, especially the bolts. You can source equivalents at a place like Tractor Supply but they won't fit exactly right and you may end up trimming ends. Even if the original nuts come off the threads easily quite often the bolt shoulders are corroded which weakens the bolts. At over ten years old I don't like using them twice, especially if they are corroded.
It's worth it if your car has corrosion on it and isn't from one of the nicer states and/or if you can't afford any downtime on your car.
If you can, you can always see if the parts come off easy and is reusable.
My car was from GA and everything came off relatively easy. Put some antiseized on all the bolts/nuts and put it back in.
The only muffler bolts that really suffer quite a bit from actual pitting into the bolt itself are the long bolts that go through the muffler bracket holder themselves.
Also important to note, that there are varying levels of metal thickness on some of these brackets between brands. Especially the muffler tip holder brackets.
Yeah one of the issues I had was that one of the long bolts that holds the muffler to the bracket was just spinning in place and wouldn't come out. It had "welded" itself to the internals of the bracket. My muffler replacement was a complete ****show.
agree, both provide excellent service, Gert might be a bit quicker
from Carnewal
Left and right pipe clamping sleeves for the incoming tubes and the 2 clamps to secure the exhaust tips to the P96 muffler.
2 long and 2 short bolts with 10 nuts (not shown)
For every normal aspirated P96.
A must for everyone that plans to replace the mufflers on an early or higher mileage N.A. P96.
still a $50 usd difference
you can source the M80 & M130 from Fastenal and the clamps from your local Porsche dealership
about $30 ea
Realized I couldn't get even remotely close to getting the car in the garage at our part time house, due to steepness of street/driveway transition. I also didn't want to try and balance the car on jack stands on the tilted, very uneven street, so I took it down to a local muffler shop that has been around for years, and works on all types of very nice cars. They had done a number of Porsches in the past, no problem, job done. My first impressions of the Fister is pretty close to most others; a nice balance. Not too loud, nice Porsche 911 bark when you get on it, can tone it down with a little restraint. I'm very happy. THanks for all the tips from those of you that contributed to my question.
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