7 captured repliesDiscussion pagination complete · Source accounts, not a confirmed diagnosis
THIS DISCUSSION / SOURCE-DERIVED OVERVIEW
Discussion summary
YOUR RESEARCHWatch for Hoehn (Carlsbad CA) lies about PDE
Leading reported evidence
Use 2003 996 coupes
Performed · outcome unconfirmed
No successful repair reported for this finding.
0
Reported fixes
0
Unsuccessful attempts
1
Discussions
Read evidence and context
Explicit resolution reports before identified causes, performed actions and suggestions. Within each level, matching component labels precede direct query mentions and inherited thread context; successful versus unsuccessful discussion counts, owner confirmations and independent discussion support determine order. This is not a probability of success.
Discussions that performed work without a confirmed outcome
1
0 original-poster resolution reports. Counts can overlap; they are not unique people or a success rate.
0 discussions have direct query context; 0 report a fix in that context. Other evidence may inherit the discussion’s subject.
Performed · outcome unconfirmed · Original poster
Hoehn was advertising several slightly used 2003 996 coupes for $67K.
Leading evidence: 'Use 2003 996 coupes' (no explicit attributable resolution; this is a reported action or suggestion). Across 1 matching discussions, the most frequently mentioned possible cause is '2002 model) did say up front' (1 discussions; 0 report identifying it and 1 suggest it). The most frequently discussed action is 'Test drove the car' (1 discussions). For that action, 0 discussions report a resolution and 0 report an unsuccessful attempt. No action has an explicit, attributable resolution report under the current rules. These are forum reports and suggestions, not a confirmed diagnosis.
Source reports, not a diagnosis or a success probability. Counts refer to discussions and can overlap.
Explicit resolution reports before identified causes, performed actions and suggestions. Within each level, matching component labels precede direct query mentions and inherited thread context; successful versus unsuccessful discussion counts, owner confirmations and independent discussion support determine order. This is not a probability of success.
Discussions that suspect a cause
1
0 original-poster resolution reports. Counts can overlap; they are not unique people or a success rate.
0 discussions have direct query context; 0 report a fix in that context. Other evidence may inherit the discussion’s subject.
Suspected cause
Pacific which had some of these cars a year or so ago (probably a 2002 model) did say up front that they were PDE cars.
Explicit resolution reports before identified causes, performed actions and suggestions. Within each level, matching component labels precede direct query mentions and inherited thread context; successful versus unsuccessful discussion counts, owner confirmations and independent discussion support determine order. This is not a probability of success.
Discussions that contain suggestions
1
0 original-poster resolution reports. Counts can overlap; they are not unique people or a success rate.
0 discussions have direct query context; 0 report a fix in that context. Other evidence may inherit the discussion’s subject.
Suggestion · Original poster
So I test drove the car, then he let me take it to show my wife.
Counts describe captured discussions, not unique people or a diagnosis. Author identities are not reliably stored. Exact duplicate evidence is counted once across matching discussions; one discussion counts at most once per action/state. Multiple repairs reported together remain a combination. Suggestions and failed attempts do not establish a fix. Matches cover whole discussions and can include related faults, model variants and incomplete threads.
7 eligible posts · 0 unverified posts · 1 discussions match the subject in their title or opening post.
Rennlist: 1 discussions
0 evidence records excluded for query context · 0 excluded by outcome qualification · 0 adjusted by outcome qualification.
0 acknowledgements have no verified action link; they do not establish a repair result.
Generation: 20261026T142254Z · outcome-qualification-6. Deterministic extraction; no AI model inference. How we use sources
Last Sunday I visited Hoehn Porsche in Carlsbad CA, hoping to buy my first Porsche. Hoehn was advertising several slightly used 2003 996 coupes for $67K. I was aware, from reading this forum, that there are currently some cars on the market that had been used in the Porsche Driving Experience. I would not consider buying a car that had been through 5000 miiles of track use. So one of the first questions that I asked of the salesman, Tony Daher, was whether the car had been used in PDE. He said that it had not, and that it had just been driven by "Porsche executives."
So I test drove the car, then he let me take it to show my wife. Her first comment was "why does it sound like it's falling apart." Nevertheless, we went back to Hoehn, agreed on a price, did the credit app. and the whole works. The car was almost mine! But then Daher put in front of me a written disclaimer which started out "I understand that this car has been used in the Porsche Driving Experience . . . ."! He had flat out lied to me! I was out of there in an instant.
So watch out for Hoehn sales reps lying about PDE cars.
Ouch. Glad to hear that you have the resolve to get up and leave. A lot of people may be so glad to get a 911 they just ignore the disclaimer or just say what the heck. I would not want the car either and you leaving may bring the dishonesty to the sttention of the sales manager.
I'd write a letter telling them they have lost a customer for life. This kind of behavior is not acceptable. Time to find a new dealer. Depending on where you are in San Diego county, there is Pioneer Centres on Miramar or Walter's Porsche in Riverside.
Good luck,
Scott
I called Hoehn about 3 weeks ago regarding these cars. I was told (by an otherwise very friendly sales guy) that these were "Porsche executive-driven" cars. They all have sport seats and I forget what else, and they had maybe 8-10 of them all virtually the same, but now it makes a lot of sense that these were PDE cars, not executive cars. Thank God I didn't get one!
A PDE car should be pretty bare bones, with maybe sport seats, and the sport chassis option and/or the sport suspension package.
Pacific which had some of these cars a year or so ago (probably a 2002 model) did say up front that they were PDE cars.
FYI, those cars had a front repaint (from the stone chips presumably).
"Porsche executive-driven"
those car has sport seats, sport exhaust, PSM. most of them are silver. the blue one with factory aero kit is driven by instructor only... maybe THAT has something to do with "Porsche executive-driven"
This is a source reference. Confirm exact model applicability in the original material.
