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YOUR RESEARCHDealer Charge - Am I being cheap?
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large puddle of oil - yup, rear main seal
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The reason that the car ('02 C4 Cab-29K miles) is there is due to a large puddle of oil - yup, Rear Main Seal.
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My Ford dealer charge $75 to check the code for a check engine light.
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In the 70's, IBM coined the phrase, "the golden screwdriver" because the customer would pay a huge sum, in the order of hundreds of thousands of dollars to "upgrade" a given mainframe to support a larger number of people (terminals) and the total amount of effort was a guy arriving, sitting at a console and issuing some commands or running some code to reconfigure the terminal servers.
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I basically read the owners manual to them in a "polite" way that it says "these options are set by the dealer according to your preferences".
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I had my car in for some warranty work today and asked the dealer to set the function to lock the doors automatically at 5 MPH.
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In the 70's, IBM coined the phrase, "the golden screwdriver" because the customer would pay a huge sum, in the order of hundreds of thousands of dollars to "upgrade" a given mainframe to support a larger number of people (terminals) and the total amount of effort was a guy arriving, sitting at a console and issuing some commands or running some code to reconfigure the terminal servers.
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I had my car in for some warranty work today and asked the dealer to set the function to lock the doors automatically at 5 MPH. The dealer informed me that there was a $50 charge to so this. I told them to forget it. I was under the impression that this was a five minute job. Am I being cheap or was this an outrageous amount for this task?
There is probably some unit of time dedicated to that function in their manual somewhere. If they do it when it's in for warranty work though you might save the $20 "paperwork completion" fee or whatever they call it.
You are right, but I doubt if it took all of 5 minutes. It varies from dealer to dealer. $50 seems like a standard charge to hook you up to the PST2. That is what my dealer charges to code a replacement key with the PST2.
I know the great people at my dealer for 5 years and I tease them about prices from time to time. The bottom line - any dealer is in the business to make money.
You have no choice since the PST2 is required to program the door locks. It cost in the $8,000 - 10,000 range. Big investment for an independent shop.
$50 is not bad at all.
My Ford dealer charge $75 to check the code for a check engine light. The $75 charge will not be applicable to any work done to fix the problem.
My dealer (which has really poor customer service) did it for free. I am shocked to hear that they are trying to charge you $50. I basically read the owners manual to them in a "polite" way that it says "these options are set by the dealer according to your preferences". I asked them to turn on the OBC, the door-lock feature at 5mph, and the side-mirror tilt in reverse as well (as they are my preferences). Took them less than 10 minutes from pulling the car back to bringing it back out to me.
They have the ability to do a minor courtesy like this (and others) at thier discrection for those patrons that spend the kind of money we do on P-Cars! It just comes down to a matter of courtesy. If it is a Porsche dealer then they HAVE the PST2 tool anyway so it will not kill them (especially if the car is ALREADY in for service).
This is a recurring theme with new cars and complex systems. In the 70's, IBM coined the phrase, "the golden screwdriver" because the customer would pay a huge sum, in the order of hundreds of thousands of dollars to "upgrade" a given mainframe to support a larger number of people (terminals) and the total amount of effort was a guy arriving, sitting at a console and issuing some commands or running some code to reconfigure the terminal servers. It didn't take long for customers to get a little annoyed.
Well, I see what happens when I talk to them on Monday. The reason that the car ('02 C4 Cab-29K miles) is there is due to a large puddle of oil - yup, Rear Main Seal. They will let me know on Monday if it is repairable (2nd time) or whether the engine has to be replaced.....
sorry about your misfortune dave
I don't know if my situation is unique or not butt i have had the best total care expreince at Porsche North Scottsdale of any car dealer anywhere by far.
The charge me for almost nothing. They top off my oil whenever needed for free, set up my passanger side mirro for free. the other day i was in and my dealer said Damn your car is dirty givev me the key so i can run it through detail! (free!!) these guys are amazing.
Ok I am in there a fair amount....to shoot the S#!T and maybe that helps but these guys are awesome. The sales manager, service manager, my two salepeople and several other people in the dealer know me and y girlfriend by name! These guys are on there game hardcore!! (and i only bought a piddly little 911 cab!)
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